Ebola in America

Travis said:
Get ready for a new ebola TV Series.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ebola-tv-series-works-lynda-741457?facebook_20141016

It seems that Ridley Scott was adapting The Hot Zone when all this blew up.
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That's going to get the CTers all kinds of riled up!

marplots said:
Purel. Give the public something to buy, something to do. Much like fear of crime and getting a gun. The solution may not address the actual problem, but it cures the fear, which, as you mention, a problem by itself.
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Duck tape and plastic sheeting.

Belz... said:
Well I think Zig is asking for reasons to believe this is going to happen, based on prior experience/evidence.
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Yes he is while not providing any evidence for his own claim. But that's none of my business.:rolleyes:

In fact his claim is about something he says is actually happening, not something that could happen. You would think providing evidence for an actual event would be easy.

Ziggurat said:
Either evidence for the claim exists, or it does not. If no evidence for the claim exists, then the claim should not be made as part of an argument. If evidence for the claim does exist, then it should be presented. Why is that difficult for you to understand?
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The evidence for a future event is impossible. What I stated was a reflection of experts opinions as to why we should not attempt to quarantine west Africa. It's really a simple thought exercise.

If even one other country allows continued travel then the virus will get out. Lets say to Germany, from germany the virus spreads to Austria and Switzerland. Travel in Europe is a breeze, do we then ban all travel from Europe? In fact now that it is in spain should we stop all travel from Europe? By knowing where the virus is coming from we can better prevent it's spread, a quarantine would be impossible and counter productive to the goal of stopping it.
 
Let's say the entire world bans all travel from west Africa. How do we stop people from simple crossing the basically open borders into the rest of Africa and flying from there?

The idea is logistically impossible.
 
Rothstein has studied recent quarantines, including the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) in 2004. He says that there are alternatives to quarantines, but sometimes the real deal is necessary.

“Quarantine is used because we don’t have anything else to use that is better,” he said.

In some cases, quarantines go too far. In Taiwan, for example, authorities quarantined 130,000 people when only 12 showed symptoms of SARS. Last month, the Liberian army tried to quarantine a slum area of the capital Monrovia, but residents rioted and the troops were forced to pull back.

“A quarantine is more than an inconvenience and an economic disruption,” Rothstein said. “It causes panic.”
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Biscuit said:
Let's say the entire world bans all travel from west Africa. How do we stop people from simple crossing the basically open borders into the rest of Africa and flying from there?
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It may be time to ask for Tarzan's help.
 
Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Liberia have a combined area of apx 166,000 square miles, a combined population of apx 20 million, and borders totaling 3,700 miles.

How do we secure this area? What's the time table? What will 20 million people do when you tell them to stay put? Do you shoot people attempting to leave? Lets look at the actual logistics of this.
 
Stopping flights out of West Africa isn't going to solve the problem - people will fly out of other parts of Africa. And the virus is already in the USA and in Spain. We had one case in the UK which was apparently not spread to anyone else.

I don't think it's logistically possible to shut down international travel entirely, so now the emphasis must be on screening at airports, proper precautionary procedures during treatment, plus quarantining the people who come into contact with sufferers and their bodily fluids - the nurse who flew and the lab technician on a Caribbean cruise should have been prevented from travelling until after 21 days post-exposure.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...on-after-woman-became-ill-shuttle-bus-n228301

I hope this woman does not have ebola, but until she is tested and found to be negative, then I trust the other passengers on the bus will be properly quarantined.
 
Agatha said:
Stopping flights out of West Africa isn't going to solve the problem - people will fly out of other parts of Africa. And the virus is already in the USA and in Spain. We had one case in the UK which was apparently not spread to anyone else.

I don't think it's logistically possible to shut down international travel entirely
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No, but you see this isn't the point. By creating an impossible standard of competence, these people ensure that they have something to complain about, and someone to blame (Obama, in this case) for their ills.
 
Agatha said:
Stopping flights out of West Africa isn't going to solve the problem - people will fly out of other parts of Africa.
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Your standard that the measure solve the problem is not relevant. We only need it to help. And you seem to be forgetting that many other parts of Africa no longer allow flights from the outbreak countries, so flying from other parts of Africa is not so simple.

And the virus is already in the USA and in Spain. We had one case in the UK which was apparently not spread to anyone else.
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And hopefully we can contain those incidents. But it will help if we get fewer new incidents.

I don't think it's logistically possible to shut down international travel entirely
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Nobody is proposing to.

so now the emphasis must be on screening at airports
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That is wholly inadequate unless that screening includes a quarantine period.

proper precautionary procedures during treatment, plus quarantining the people who come into contact with sufferers and their bodily fluids - the nurse who flew and the lab technician on a Caribbean cruise should have been prevented from travelling until after 21 days post-exposure.
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I agree with this. But all of it becomes easier to do if the number of cases you need to deal with is small. Which is why not accepting passengers flying from outbreak countries still makes sense.
 
Belz... said:
I say we torch the whole continent and start over.
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Let's say your solution is implemented. You are visiting a small village on another continent where Ebola is not expected. But you find that there are active cases of Ebola in the village. Do you stay in the village and call in the air strikes, insuring your own demise. Or do you sneak out quietly and hope you didn't catch anything.
 
Dan O. said:
Let's say your solution is implemented. You are visiting a small village on another continent where Ebola is not expected. But you find that there are active cases of Ebola in the village. Do you stay in the village and call in the air strikes, insuring your own demise. Or do you sneak out quietly and hope you didn't catch anything.
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If you choose to stay, turn to page 94.

If you sneak out, turn to page 87.
 
Dan O. said:
Let's say your solution is implemented. You are visiting a small village on another continent where Ebola is not expected. But you find that there are active cases of Ebola in the village. Do you stay in the village and call in the air strikes, insuring your own demise. Or do you sneak out quietly and hope you didn't catch anything.
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I think maybe that satirical response doesn't necessarily involve FACs. Think large circles on small-scale maps.
 
catsmate1 said:
That's a bit of an over-reaction to a couple of cases in Texas.
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Dan O. said:
Let's say your solution is implemented. You are visiting a small village on another continent where Ebola is not expected. But you find that there are active cases of Ebola in the village. Do you stay in the village and call in the air strikes, insuring your own demise. Or do you sneak out quietly and hope you didn't catch anything.
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Please tell me none of you two actually took my post seriously.
 
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