Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

[Michel H]

Hang on for a moment. SezMe has told you that it was not a serious answer in a few hundred well chosen words. You know that because you responded to his post. And my original post explaining that he was just making fun of you was before his response. Read his response again!

But now you think he was lying to you, as you earlier thought that Loss Leader was lying to you when he recanted. I demonstrated earlier in this thread that I was lying to you, and originally you thought my original answer to one of your "guess the number" pieces of crap was the truth.

You are, as I have said so innocent of sarcasm and humour, and utterly incapable of discerning when somebody is lying or telling the truth, that your "tests" are a complete waste of space.

As you have said on this thread, you think everyone on this thread (and on the entire planet) lies to you all the time. Except when they say something that you think supports your position (and often it does not). That is not scepticism, it is wish fulfillment.

Norm

If you think that my analyses of test results lack objectivity, Norm, why then don't you answer my question in post 1674 (in a serious way)? I think it would be useful to develop some kind of objectivity.

 

[fromdownunder]

If you think that my analyses of test results lack objectivity, Norm, why then don't you answer my question in post 1674 (in a serious way)? I think it would be useful to develop some kind of objectivity.

OK I will give them both a 9, as both appear to be honest attempts to answer your question. Does that satisfy you? You will, of course put your own subjective slant on that.

Norm

 

[Michel H]

OK I will give them both a 9, as both appear to be honest attempts to answer your question. Does that satisfy you? You will, of course put your own subjective slant on that.

Norm

Mm, thank you very much. I should tell you later what I think about these evaluations, after you've finished your editing.

 

[Loss Leader]

So everybody on the planet, except you are out of step? Do you know how silly that sounds?

It's not silly. It's deeply, deeply sad.

 

[AdMan]

So everybody on the planet, except you are out of step? Do you know how silly that sounds?

It's not silly. It's deeply, deeply sad.

This. Michel, these are irrational, paranoid thoughts. The world is not against you. Please seek medical help. There are ways to help you understand what is causing your thoughts and how to deal with them.

 

[fromdownunder]

Duplicated

 

[fromdownunder]

Mm, thank you very much. I should tell you later what I think about these evaluations, after you've finished your editing.

You will note that my post is identical in your quote to the original, and the one hour editing period has certainly expired. So what do you think of my 9/9 credibility rating? Go for it sunshine! I can tell you now it was completely honest. Or if do you not believe me, tell me why. And if you do believe me, tell me why. Your credibility and ability to sort "honest" answers from "dishonest" answers is on the line

Norm

 

[Giordano]

Michel H,

For the reasons I've already explained, I can only wish you the most happiness possible and that you find ways of lessening your worries in the future. Be open to the interpretations of others, they just might be correct.

 

[Michel H]

... My only concern is that he also reports that voices tell him to kill himself and that he blames his thoughts for causing bad events in the world. This must be terrible and is much more serious than simply believing that other people hear your thoughts. ...

Michel H,

For the reasons I've already explained, I can only wish you the most happiness possible and that you find ways of lessening your worries in the future. Be open to the interpretations of others, they just might be correct.

Thank you for showing some compassion with respect to my situation, Giordano, I appreciate it. But, if you wish me happiness, don't you think it might be a good idea that you answer my question in post 1674 (please give also ratings, see the beginning of post 1755)? I think this would be important to move forward. And I ask the same thing to the other posters in this thread: MikeG, phunk, Crossbow, Nonpareil, Gord in Toronto, Squeegee Beckenheim, turingtest, Lanzy, Loss Leader, bruto, abaddon, dlorde, Ladewig, Nay Sayer, theprestige, AdMan, Pixel42, Akhenaten, Daylightstar (not to SezMe and to fromdownunder, who have already answered and given their ratings). Don't you think it would be useful that you make your contribution to my scientific research project, which has been praised several times (although there also has been criticism), instead of just attacking and criticizing? (you don't have to adhere to my views to participate constructively). My goal is (as usual) to make this project more rigorous, and better accepted, not "sloppier".

 

[AdMan]

Thank you for showing some compassion with respect to my situation, Giordano, I appreciate it. But, if you wish me happiness, don't you think it might be a good idea that you answer my question in post 1674 (please give also ratings, see the beginning of post 1755)? I think this would be important to move forward.

I am not Giordano so am not answering for him, but, no, I don't agree. Answering your earlier posts is not a good idea, and will simply continue to fuel your irrational beliefs. Until you accept that your beliefs could be irrational, anyone that pretends to answer your questions (even if they are clearly not being serious, since you are unable to detect that) is only aiding your delusions.

Seek help with medical professionals, not on the Internet.

 

[fromdownunder]

(not to SezMe and to fromdownunder, who have already answered and given their ratings).

Well, since you already inferred that I am lying about my 9/9 vote, I am now turning it into a -6/-6 vote. Who ya gonna believe? What is more believable? My 9/9 or my -6/-6? Use your incredible insight to tell me the truth.

Or not. Because you cannot. Say which is which! Cummone... show is your brilliant insight and logic.

Norm

 

[Ladewig]

The only oddity is that he still feels the need to "test it" in such a way as to yield a positive results that matches his pre-existing belief.

Why do you find that to be an oddity?

If there were a man. And that man a a core belief - a defining belief - about his powers and abilities. And the vast, vast majority of the world refused to recognize these powers, then would not the logical and expected thing be for that man to try to convince everyone else that he is right in his beliefs and the world is wrong to doubt his powers and abilities?

If such a belief were all-consuming, then such a person would be prepared to break the rules of logic and reasoning to prove the validity of his beliefs. Any "short-cuts" on the way to proof would be defined as necessary and appropriate.

 

[Pixel42]

But that man believes that everybody else already knows he is right, because they can hear his thoughts. So what he's actually trying to prove is that everybody else is lying when they say they can't hear his thoughts, using a test that relies on the assumption that some of them will mysteriously choose not to lie in such a test.

 

[Michel H]

I am not Giordano so am not answering for him, but, no, I don't agree. Answering your earlier posts is not a good idea, and will simply continue to fuel your irrational beliefs. Until you accept that your beliefs could be irrational, anyone that pretends to answer your questions (even if they are clearly not being serious, since you are unable to detect that) is only aiding your delusions.

Seek help with medical professionals, not on the Internet.

I don't accept that my beliefs are "irrational", because I think there is a basis for them. However, I am still open to the idea that I could not be telepathic after all, that the explanation for what I am experiencing is different (though I think this is unlikely). I am not sure that visiting (again) psychiatrists to talk about my feeling of persecution might be useful, because my hypothetical "telepathy" is still not accepted by society (strong suspicion of global criminal phenomenon). If it is just to learn that they now are lying even more than last time, and that they have developed even more powerful dangerous pseudo-medications, then, no, thank you. They can keep them for themselves.

 

[AdMan]

I don't accept that my beliefs are "irrational", because I think there is a basis for them. However, I am still open to the idea that I could not be telepathic after all, that the explanation for what I am experiencing is different (though I think this is unlikely). I am not sure that visiting (again) psychiatrists to talk about my feeling of persecution might be useful, because my hypothetical "telepathy" is still not accepted by society (strong suspicion of global criminal phenomenon). If it is just to learn that they now are lying even more than last time, and that they have developed even more powerful dangerous pseudo-medications, then, no, thank you. They can keep them for themselves.

Michel, thinking the world is against you, thinking there is a "global criminal phenomenon", is irrational and paranoid thinking.

You are clearly not an unintelligent person. Can you consider the possibility that this conspiracy is all in your mind?

Medicine is not the enemy that you have made it out to be. It can help you, if you give it another chance.

I am sure that words on an Internet forum will likely not convince you, but at least I hope they make you reconsider the conclusions you have apparently reached. Your brain is playing tricks on you, because you have an illness. Try to consider that possibility.

 

[Michel H]

Well, since you already inferred that I am lying about my 9/9 vote, I am now turning it into a -6/-6 vote. Who ya gonna believe? What is more believable? My 9/9 or my -6/-6? Use your incredible insight to tell me the truth.

Or not. Because you cannot. Say which is which! Cummone... show is your brilliant insight and logic.

Norm

Usually, as a rule, when several answers are given I retain only the last one (the last ones in this case, since there are two credibilities which should be given here). However, since you seem to be in a mood to make changes, I think your two credibilities would be more interesting if they were different, corresponding to the two different hypothetical answers in post 1674.

 

[Pixel42]

I am still open to the idea that I could not be telepathic after all,

You say that ...

I am not sure that visiting (again) psychiatrists to talk about my feeling of persecution might be useful, because my hypothetical "telepathy" is still not accepted by society (strong suspicion of global criminal phenomenon). If it is just to learn that they now are lying even more than last time, and that they have developed even more powerful dangerous pseudo-medications, then, no, thank you. They can keep them for themselves.

... but then you make it clear that you are not open to that idea at all.

Your "hypothetical telepathy" is not accepted by society because everyone knows for a fact that they cannot hear your thoughts. Until you accept this as a possibility you are not open to the idea that you aren't telepathic.

There are many diagnosed schizophrenics who have accepted the help and medications of psychiatrists and are now living normal lives, no longer plagued by the paranoia and delusions from which you still suffer. Is it not arrogant of you to assume that they are all mistaken and you are the one that's right?

Let me ask you this: can you hear the thoughts of all the other undiagnosed or unmedicated schizophrenics who still believe as you do?

 

[Michel H]

Michel, thinking the world is against you, thinking there is a "global criminal phenomenon", is irrational and paranoid thinking.

You are clearly not an unintelligent person. Can you consider the possibility that this conspiracy is all in your mind?

Medicine is not the enemy that you have made it out to be. It can help you, if you give it another chance.

I am sure that words on an Internet forum will likely not convince you, but at least I hope ithey make you reconsider the conclusions you have apparently reached. Your brain is playing tricks on you, because you have an illness. Try to think rationally and consider that possibility.

Note that I said "global criminal phenomenon", not "global criminal conspiracy" (it's a little bit different). Can I remain open to the possibility that there is actually no criminal phenomenon against me (in which many people are lying)? Yes, I think so; however the evidence points to a telepathic phenomenon (in my opinion). Note also that people are not always lying - and there are also half-lies, in which people lie, but in a way which makes it pretty clear they are.

 

[AdMan]

Note that I said "global criminal phenomenon", not "global criminal conspiracy" (it's a little bit different). Can I remain open to the possibility that there is actually no criminal phenomenon against me (in which many people are lying)? Yes, I think so; however the evidence points to a telepathic phenomenon (in my opinion). Note also that people are not always lying - and there are also half-lies, in which people lie, but in a way which makes it pretty clear they are.

You're mincing words, and didn't really answer my question as to whether you are able to consider the possibility that this is all in your mind.

As to evidence of a "telepathic phenomenon," at least in this forum you haven't been able to present any.

 

[Daylightstar]

... this is a psychology experiment, and, in a psychology experiment, you better take psychological factors into consideration. ...

Well, yes. You have presented an irrational belief (and a possible pathology*; being telepathic and a notion of persecution*) and you spend all your time attempting to rationalize it with another irrational idea (the need for credibility ratings)