Shrien Dewani - Honeymoon murder

lionking said:
His "loving, faithful husband who would never even think of hurting his wife" aspect.
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I don't really see anything in his statement that would necessarily contradict that position. The admission of bisexuality and encounters with prostitutes don't really qualify, imo, and neither does the admission that they were occasionally argumentative.
 
TofuFighter said:
I don't really see anything in his statement that would necessarily contradict that position. The admission of bisexuality and encounters with prostitutes don't really qualify, imo, and neither does the admission that they were occasionally argumentative.
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Oh well, let's just see what the jury thinks. Dewani lacks credibility in my opinion.
 
Samson said:
How do we follow this?
Anglo, Lionking, already splitting along party lines.:)
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I was going to let this slip, but last I looked Amanda Knox and Nikki Kish both remain convicted. You can call them party lines. I call them guilty and innocent lines.
 
I don't feel he is too credible either, but neither are the witnesses who have already been convicted (Tongo, Mngeni, Qwabe) although i am not aware whether all three will actually be called as witnesses.

That said, it seems far too early to a) suggest that SD's story is falling apart, and b) that the lynch mob will have their way (Wilkes)
 
lionking said:
I was going to let this slip, but last I looked Amanda Knox and Nikki Kish both remain convicted. You can call them party lines. I call them guilty and innocent lines.
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I agree, but I see a definite trend along
McCann
Knox
Pistorius

Now Dewani.

LK, if you can bury the hatchet for a moment, I am genuinely interested in your View of Lindy Chamberlain. We buried a great Aussie here recently shortly after his sixtieth birthday, but shortly before, I heard the Final exoneration certified, and I said to him it's final now, she is innocent, not ever having discussed the case with him. But he immediately listed a thousand ways she was guilty.
 
Samson said:
I agree, but I see a definite trend along
McCann
Knox
Pistorius

Now Dewani.

LK, if you can bury the hatchet for a moment, I am genuinely interested in your View of Lindy Chamberlain. We buried a great Aussie here recently shortly after his sixtieth birthday, but shortly before, I heard the Final exoneration certified, and I said to him it's final now, she is innocent, not ever having discussed the case with him. But he immediately listed a thousand ways she was guilty.
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Where did I say that McCann and Chamberlain were guilty?

But, no,,this is OT. Don't bother responding.
 
Asiansubguy

Guess this means the lawsuit is off and Dewani won't be providing documents to prove he never even met the S&M rentboy, after all.

In between sessions of licking the German Master's boots, Dewani told him he needed to find a way out of marriage, but was in a bind because his family would disown him if he broke off the relationship with Anni.
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FWIW, I think the case against him is better than it was before his sexual predilections were known. At least now there is a motive. The case still hinges on the credibility of Tongo above all. I look forward to reading about his evidence and, should they become available, seeing the crime scene photos to see whether there is any evidence of rape or attempted rape.
 
Samson said:
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LK, if you can bury the hatchet for a moment, I am genuinely interested in your View of Lindy Chamberlain. We buried a great Aussie here recently shortly after his sixtieth birthday, but shortly before, I heard the Final exoneration certified, and I said to him it's final now, she is innocent, not ever having discussed the case with him. But he immediately listed a thousand ways she was guilty.
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There are threads on the Chamberlain case, feel free to bump one of them instead of derailing this one.

lane99 said:
In between sessions of licking the German Master's boots, Dewani told him he needed to find a way out of marriage, but was in a bind because his family would disown him if he broke off the relationship with Anni.
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Evidence?
 
anglolawyer said:
FWIW, I think the case against him is better than it was before his sexual predilections were known. At least now there is a motive. The case still hinges on the credibility of Tongo above all. I look forward to reading about his evidence and, should they become available, seeing the crime scene photos to see whether there is any evidence of rape or attempted rape.
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Heh. I think we can all agree that the trial is off to a great start for the prosecutor. All he has to do now is describe what could have happened, and present his street-criminal witnesses who will assure the court that yes, this is indeed what did happen.

Glaring problems, like the discrepancy between Tongo's statement and the video at the restaurant, will be overlooked. The authorities are not the ones on trial, after all. They have no need to prove anything. Dewani is on trial, and the burden of proof rests squarely on his shoulders. He must establish, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the prosecution's claim cannot possibly be true. On top of that, he must account for every aspect of his character and demeanor. Failing that, he will be convicted.
 
lionking said:
Where did I say that McCann and Chamberlain were guilty?

But, no,,this is OT. Don't bother responding.
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Off topic?
McCann. A child disappears and the bereaved parents are immediately disbelieved.
Chamberlain. A child disappears and the bereaved parents are immediately disbelieved.
Dewani. A wife disappears and the bereaved husband is immediately disbelieved.
Knox. Forget it.
 
Samson said:
Off topic?
McCann. A child disappears and the bereaved parents are immediately disbelieved.
Chamberlain. A child disappears and the bereaved parents are immediately disbelieved.
Dewani. A wife disappears and the bereaved husband is immediately disbelieved.
Knox. Forget it.
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Yes, I'm on your side with this. Mods please take note. We are discussing a social phenomenon that cannot be examined without aggregating and comparing many examples.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
Yes, I'm on your side with this. Mods please take note. We are discussing a social phenomenon that cannot be examined without aggregating and comparing many examples.
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I'm not sure there's a social phenomenon at work here. Maybe that's something for a another (new) thread.

I don't have the facts in the other cases at hand, but seen in isolation, you must admit that the facts in the Devani case are so odd that it's only logical that suspicion falls on Shrien Devani. What kind of robbers kidnap a car with two passengers, throw one out of the car, then drive on, and at the end, kill the other passenger (and rob her jewels) and leave the car?

And please, could we leave the Knox case and all attendant acrimony out of this thread?
 
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ddt said:
I'm not sure there's a social phenomenon at work here. Maybe that's something for a another (new) thread.

I don't have the facts in the other cases at hand, but seen in isolation, you must admit that the facts in the Devani case are so odd that it's only logical that suspicion falls on Shrien Devani. What kind of robbers kidnap a car with two passengers, throw one out of the car, then drive on, and at the end, kill the other passenger (and rob her jewels) and leave the car?

And please, could we leave the Knox case and all attendant acrimony out of this thread?
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My point is that these cases are better understood when they are not seen in isolation.

Certainly one tried-and-true 3d World criminal enterprise is for a cab driver to set up tourists by taking them to the robbers and then pretending to be a victim himself. That is what happened here, IMO. As for the rest - why they threw Dewani out and killed the wife - I can only guess.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
My point is that these cases are better understood when they are not seen in isolation.

Certainly one tried-and-true 3d World criminal enterprise is for a cab driver to set up tourists by taking them to the robbers and then pretending to be a victim himself. That is what happened here, IMO. As for the rest - why they threw Dewani out and killed the wife - I can only guess.
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I have come to see the world differently in recent years.
A simple test when a lurid narrative is proposed where there is a plausible commonplace alternative is to look for a smoking gun which can not be explained any other way. In the absence of this it is safe to quickly assume the voyeurs are to be denied their feed.
I put Pistorius in this category too, who immediately provided a version which appears to survive scrutiny.
Knox wrote a detailed account two days after the Kercher killing that is completely consistent with all later discovered facts, which of course many know perfectly well.

In fact, it would be remiss of critical thinkers not to notice that Pistorius and Dewani both had the means to alter their personal circumstances by other means than to with almost certainty, destroy the balance of their lives, and both men can point to a lawless and fearful society to account for where they have arrived.
Chamberlain, with great simplicity, said a dingo took my baby, and thirty years later her version is official.

I agree totally that to discuss cases in isolation is to risk repeating the mistakes of history.
 
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