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Cop Protects and Serves an Innocent 17 Year Old Into a Coma

Max_mang said:
Does anyone know exactly what the rules are when you are pulled over? I remember years ago in my town there was someone impersonating a cop, pulling women over and raping/robbing them. There was an article in the local newspaper from the police chief stating that you never had to to get out of your car or roll down a window. You could press your ID up against the closed window for them to see it. You could also request that they call for a backup officer for validation, or you could call 911 on your cell phone to request another officer.

Despite that, I've seen several articles where police allegedly took physical action against someone who wouldn't open their door or roll down a window. I saw a video on a COPS-type show where a woman was on a cell phone during a standard traffic stop and the officer tased her. The show actually played it off as 'getting what she deserved'. Granted she was annoying, but is that really criminal?

About 2 years ago I was pulled over for making an illegal right on red at 4am in a deserted intersection. The officer got on a loudspeaker and instructed me to get out of my car and approach the police car.

If we do have rights to our own safety when pulled over, do the police really observe/respect them?
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I don't think there are any univerals rules or laws. Don't different areas have different procedures?

In some places they want you to get out of the car like in your example.

Around here in CT, they want you to stay in your car.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
Uncontrolled standing falls are dangerous. Hell look at those people who died from less noticeable impacts like Liam Nessons wife or Billy May.
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Your point is valid, but actually (as briefly mentioned by another poster already) Billy Mays didn't die from a head impact. Initial speculations that he had were later proved to be unfounded. From Wikipedia:

After an initial autopsy on Mays's body on June 29, Vernard Adams, the Hillsborough County, Florida medical examiner, stated that Mays suffered from hypertensive heart disease and that heart disease was the likely cause of his death. According to a toxicology report released August 7, 2009, heart disease was the "primary cause of death" and cocaine was listed as a "contributory cause of death."
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Spindrift said:
According to this survey 88% have at least a 2 year college degree. 48% have a 4 year degree. That's a lot higher than the general population.
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And it makes a big difference in my experience. Where I grew up the state police required a 4 year criminal justice degree. Most of the state cops I interacted with were polite and reasonable. The (small town) city cops, who had no such requirements, were mostly jerks. Several of the bullies I went to high school with are now or have been city cops.
 
BenBurch said:
Every one of them should have video on them 100% of the time while on duty, and disabling that should be a felony.
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They complain about the cost, but video all the time is a huge money saver for police and the court system.
 
Polaris said:
1 in 330 Americans is a cop? I think you might be misremembering.
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Spindrift said:
780,000. 1 in 423

http://www.bls.gov/ooh/protective-service/police-and-detectives.htm

ETA: Includes everything: police, detectives, state police, game wardens, transit/railroad, sheriffs/deputies and all the Feds (FBI, DEA, Secret Service, Border Patrol, Air Marshalls).
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In 2008, federal police employed approx. 120,000 full-time law enforcement officers, authorized to make arrests and carry firearms in the United States.[17]

The 2012 Bureau of Justice Statistics' Census of State and Local Law Enforcement Agencies (CSLLEA), found there were 17,985 state and local law enforcement agencies employing at least one full-time officer or the equivalent in part-time officers.[18]

In 2008, state and local law enforcement agencies employed more than 1.1 million persons on a full-time basis, including about 765,000 sworn personnel (defined as those with general arrest powers). Agencies also employed approximately 100,000 part-time employees, including 44,000 sworn officers.[18]

From 2004 to 2008, overall full-time employment by state and local law enforcement agencies nationwide increased by about 57,000 (or 5.3%). Sworn personnel increased by about 33,000 (4.6%), and nonsworn employees by about 24,000 (6.9%). From 2004 to 2008, the number of full-time sworn personnel per 100,000 U.S. residents increased from 250 to 251.[18] From 1992 to 2008, the growth rate for civilian personnel was more than double that of sworn personnel.[19]​
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States

The requisite evidence is found at those footnote links in the Wiki page.
 
Modified said:
They complain about the cost, but video all the time is a huge money saver for police and the court system.
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Is this certain? Might there not be lawsuits that before would never have happened because of lack of evidence?
 
There probably will be the potential for more law suits, based on the videos, but.... the videos should have a restraining effect on most cops as to escalating any situation in a fit of pique.
 
Perhaps... it just seems to me like the kind of argument that has a tendency to come out in favor of the preconceptions of who ever is making it. Maybe I'm wrong and a lot of work and analysis has gone into it.
 
We've been through the discussion about video before, here somewhere. The cameras cause a drop in complaints by about 80%, IIRC. But it is probably a mix of keeping bully cops in control, eliminating the fraudulent complaints, plus showing the cases where the violence was justified.
 
casebro said:
We've been through the discussion about video before, here somewhere. The cameras cause a drop in complaints by about 80%, IIRC. But it is probably a mix of keeping bully cops in control, eliminating the fraudulent complaints, plus showing the cases where the violence was justified.
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I know officers who are buying their own GoPros.
 
The Norseman said:
In 2008, federal police employed approx. 120,000 full-time law enforcement officers, authorized to make arrests and carry firearms in the United States.[17]

The 2012 Bureau of Justice Statistics' Census of State and Local Law Enforcement Agencies (CSLLEA), found there were 17,985 state and local law enforcement agencies employing at least one full-time officer or the equivalent in part-time officers.[18]

In 2008, state and local law enforcement agencies employed more than 1.1 million persons on a full-time basis, including about 765,000 sworn personnel (defined as those with general arrest powers). Agencies also employed approximately 100,000 part-time employees, including 44,000 sworn officers.[18]

From 2004 to 2008, overall full-time employment by state and local law enforcement agencies nationwide increased by about 57,000 (or 5.3%). Sworn personnel increased by about 33,000 (4.6%), and nonsworn employees by about 24,000 (6.9%). From 2004 to 2008, the number of full-time sworn personnel per 100,000 U.S. residents increased from 250 to 251.[18] From 1992 to 2008, the growth rate for civilian personnel was more than double that of sworn personnel.[19]​
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States

The requisite evidence is found at those footnote links in the Wiki page.
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So you are admitting you were incorrect?
 
Ziggurat said:
But the citizens they end up filming are.

I'm all for transparency, and think cops should wear cameras anytime they're on patrol (though your idea of them having no right to privacy even in the bathroom is nonsense). And the film that they take should be easy to obtain by the people who are filmed any time there's a "contact". But if ALL the film is always made public, that's not OK either, because that invades the privacy rights of average citizens who may have done nothing wrong.
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I may have held views far apart from Ziggurat sometime in the past, but here I am completely in accord with his way of thinking.

I'd just muse that it might be worthwhile to have total public access to the soundtracks of the video recordings, while reserving access to the visual tracks for the people caught on camera and their representatives.
 
A little more explanation of what actually happened would be helpful. The Taser does not cause brain injury.
You don't "Taser" someone who is inside of a closed car.
Obviously at some point the individual did in fact get out of the car, an altercation ensued, and the Taser employed. When individuals are "Tasered", they normally freeze up and fall, this being the likely source of the head injury.
If the Taser was employed on the fellow because he was violently resisting arrest... Then a fall-induced head injury is unfortunate but an accident.
 
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