'What about building 7'?

[DGM]

If MM's interpretation of Jennings time-line is correct, Why was there no reports of explosions at WTC 7? There were reports of fires in the parking garage, an engine on Church St, windows and other ground level damage at the towers. There were hundreds of reporters and firefighters in the area along with several thousand people in WTC 7. None reported any concerns about WTC 7 until after both towers collapsed.

I'm sitting here with an open mind wondering.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I just go to the source and look at what was documented on the structure based on photographic evidence and the engineering. Way more technical than a casual observer will typically go, but since I see no evidence of damage that would be caused by an explosive device, and there have been no witnesses to date claiming they found explosives I feel reasonably safe to point out that it means Jenning's testimony cannot possibly support a "CD" argument so long as it lacks the critical corroboration.

I do take what he says at face value, though given the tendency of witness testimony to be subjected to well... how the human brain works, and the documentary/physical evidence, I see no corroboration to put literal interpretation (I.E. explosions = presence of detonating bombs) to it. I don't think that issue can be put into any simpler terms, which is often why I flat out don't waste much time with the hair splitting that goes on with his testimony. It was fun to deal with it when it seemed new and interesting... 5 years and rehashing the same stuff... I'm just done wasting the time... The guys' testimony is at worst inaccurate, but not a lie... that clarification though has never stopped the ridiculous interpretation that "inaccurate" always = "dishonest"

 

[GlennB]

Regardless, there is still only one meaning for what he said about the status of the towers when he arrived at the 8th floor.

This was no slip of the tongue. His interviewers were concerned about this issue and went over it a second time just to make sure that Mr. Jennings was sure that the twin towers were indeed still standing when he arrived at the 8th floor.

What strikes most here as totally perverse, MM, is your insistence on taking parts of his account at face value when it suits you.

Fact - it was not possible for the building to be fully evacuated in the 17 minutes between plane strikes (in practice even less than that, given the time to take in what had happened and issue the order) .

Once you accept that Jennings arrived at the (locked) OEM much later than he claims his entire time line goes out the window.

But you need to cling to it because it allows you to keep explosives in the picture.

 

[Miragememories]

What strikes most here as totally perverse, MM, is your insistence on taking parts of his account at face value when it suits you.

Fact - it was not possible for the building to be fully evacuated in the 17 minutes between plane strikes (in practice even less than that, given the time to take in what had happened and issue the order) .

Once you accept that Jennings arrived at the (locked) OEM much later than he claims his entire time line goes out the window.

But you need to cling to it because it allows you to keep explosives in the picture.

The problem is not my taking parts of Mr. Jenning's account Glenn.

The problem is in all the missing details which the interviewers failed to extract with proper, methodical questioning.

He was in a hurry, he had a camera trained on him and he was being interviewed by a couple of college age young people. He gave them what he thought were the highlights and ignored the mundane.

When Mr. Jennings arrived at 7 WTC, there must have been a great deal to be observed but he only mentioned what he thought was interesting. Namely, all the police officers in the lobby, the deserted OEM etc.

Until questioned further, when he arrived at the 8th floor, he focused on the window breakage, his rescuers on the street, the burning vehicles, the dust, heat and smoke, and repeatedly about all the explosions he kept hearing inside 7 WTC.

When pointedly asked about how he could be so certain about whether the WTC twin towers were still standing when he got to the 8th floor, he said he knew because he LOOKED.

It would not surprise me, that had he been more thoroughly questioned, it was determined that Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess did arrive at the OEM after 2 WTC had been attacked.

In spite of the murky timeline issues, it still makes little sense to me that before 9 am he was on his way to 7 WTC, had been alerted to the 1st attack, was making good time in "excellent" traffic conditions, and yet, according to your preferred timeline, it took him until almost 10:30 am to get to the OEM, find out about the evacuation and while hurrying down the the stairs, only made it to the 6th floor before 1 WTC collapsed.

 

[jaydeehess]

When Mr. Jennings arrived at 7 WTC, there must have been a great deal to be observed but he only mentioned what he thought was interesting. Namely, all the police officers in the lobby, the deserted OEM etc.

Until questioned further, when he arrived at the 8th floor, he focused on the window breakage, his rescuers on the street, the burning vehicles, the dust, heat and smoke, and repeatedly about all the explosions he kept hearing inside 7 WTC.

Why are there FFs on the north side of WTC 7? Why are there fires in the street? Where did all the smoke and dust come from ?

After all, this is prior to, according to your preferred timeline, either tower had collapsed.

 

[GlennB]

Until questioned further, when he arrived at the 8th floor, he focused on the window breakage, his rescuers on the street, the burning vehicles, the dust, heat and smoke, and repeatedly about all the explosions he kept hearing inside 7 WTC.

When pointedly asked about how he could be so certain about whether the WTC twin towers were still standing when he got to the 8th floor, he said he knew because he LOOKED.

It would not surprise me, that had he been more thoroughly questioned, it was determined that Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess did arrive at the OEM after 2 WTC had been attacked.

In spite of the murky timeline issues, it still makes little sense to me that before 9 am he was on his way to 7 WTC, had been alerted to the 1st attack, was making good time in "excellent" traffic conditions, and yet, according to your preferred timeline, it took him until almost 10:30 am to get to the OEM, find out about the evacuation and while hurrying down the the stairs, only made it to the 6th floor before 1 WTC collapsed.

His testimony is a worthless mess, for reasons that have been explained many times. The one thing abundantly clear is that he must have arrived after the general evacuation. This highly plausible timeline makes sense of the mess, including loss of elevator power, the blocked exit lower down, and seeing the fires in Barclay St when he broke the window. As for seeing both Towers I'd suggest he saw them both when on the 23rd floor and later got confused.

Incidentally, search as I might, I can find no reference to his normal place of work. The only candidate tenant listed is the OEM itself and there would be no need to direct him to the OEM if he was headed there anyway.

eta: "Hi. My name is Barry Jennings. Um. I'm 52 years old. Um, I've worked for for 32 years in one location". WTC7 hadn't been there that long, so he was headed elsewhere. The effect on his journey time would depend on his route.

eeta: The police showed him the way to the elevator. Jennings had no key to the office. Hess later found a stairwell. Doesn't sound like his regular place of work, does it?

 

[Miragememories]

His testimony is a worthless mess, for reasons that have been explained many times. The one thing abundantly clear is that he must have arrived after the general evacuation. This highly plausible timeline makes sense of the mess, including loss of elevator power, the blocked exit lower down, and seeing the fires in Barclay St when he broke the window. As for seeing both Towers I'd suggest he saw them both when on the 23rd floor and later got confused.

Incidentally, search as I might, I can find no reference to his normal place of work. The only candidate tenant listed is the OEM itself and there would be no need to direct him to the OEM if he was headed there anyway.

Let's face it Glenn, any testimony that puts your inflexible beliefs into question, is a "worthless mess" in your opinion.

Regarding Mr. Jennings, I imagine his normal start time at work was 9 am.

He would have been well on his way if he hoped to be in his office at 9 am.

The traffic was excellent he said. For all we know he might have been nearly there when he got the call.

The fact that a man in his position at the OEM would receive a call about a plane crashing into 1 WTC certainly does seem odd. He said he received a call. He did not say that he was "directed" to the OEM at 7 WTC.

It does not seem odd that Mr. Jenning's office would be at or near the OEM.

The only thing that is "abundantly clear" is your lack of perspective.

You have made up your mind and you'll be damned if anything or anyone is going to change it.

 

[Realtruthseeker]

Time to face the truth today please.

When 3 towers fall at or close to free-fall on the same day, in the same place, and the official theory is based on fires melting steel and removing instantly all resistance to collapse, it is blatantly obvious that something is being covered up.
When you watch towers 1 and 2 exploding, followed by wtc 7 visibly in controlled demolition, anyone with the capacity to observe and who understands anything basic about structure or physics knows for certain that all three towers were demolished by explosives or incendiary devices. There's no need for a complete analysis of demolition techniques to understand the basics. The only question remaining is who did it. It probably wasn't anything to do with Osama bin Laden as he was on a kidney dialysis machine in the military hospital of Rawapindi the evening before according to hospital staff there. Nor could it have been the accused 19 Arabs because at least 8 of them showed up alive to declare their innocence 3 days later. Same names same faces and they are still alive today. So we know the official report is total nonsense and impossible.
When by simple research on the internet you can find video statements by Larry Silverstein, the owner of the 3 towers, saying that they decided to pull it and then stand back and watch it fall, referring to wtc 7. When you hear witnesses on the scene saying they were told that wtc 7 was going to be brought down. When a witness, Kevin McPadden, military medic and first responder, states he heard the last 3 seconds of the countdown on an NYPD radio held by an agent standing next to him and at the end of the countdown the building blew up and fell symmetrically in 7 seconds. When you see and hear the explosions recorded in a video just before the free fall collapse of wtc 7. When you listen to the reporters who were witnessing and reporting in real time on the explosions as they happened just prior to each building collapse. When you observe the simultaneous explosions on every visible floor just before it collapses, you start to wake up to the reality that all 3 towers were brought down by controlled demolition.
When this glaringly obvious truth is further confirmed by many independent scientists who each examined the residue in the dust samples and they all independently state that they found evidence of nano thermite which can only be produced in high tech military laboratories, you know that the official story of 9/11 is covering up something they don't want you to see and that many are afraid to see.
When some people who claim they've researched 9/11 say they still believe the official story you know you are witnessing willful blindness, denial to face the truth or just plain lying to keep themselves in a more comfortable belief system despite the drastic consequences for the future, or because they are paid trolls. They are in a mental state comparable to hypnotism or a trance. It is important for the future of humanity that they wake up.
The more of the right kind of research you do the more clear and undeniable all this becomes. That is why many honest and courageous people are spending so much time trying to do this most important but difficult task. I am disappointed that quite a few on JREF are actively trying to condemn the future for our children. I ask you to have the courage to face reality now and start helping with spreading the truth. Thank you.

 

[The Big Dog]

When 3 towers fall at .

Time to first lie? It starts at 5 words.

melting steel....

 

[tsig]

The problem is not my taking parts of Mr. Jenning's account Glenn.

The problem is in all the missing details which the interviewers failed to extract with proper, methodical questioning.

He was in a hurry, he had a camera trained on him and he was being interviewed by a couple of college age young people. He gave them what he thought were the highlights and ignored the mundane.

When Mr. Jennings arrived at 7 WTC, there must have been a great deal to be observed but he only mentioned what he thought was interesting. Namely, all the police officers in the lobby, the deserted OEM etc.

Until questioned further, when he arrived at the 8th floor, he focused on the window breakage, his rescuers on the street, the burning vehicles, the dust, heat and smoke, and repeatedly about all the explosions he kept hearing inside 7 WTC.

When pointedly asked about how he could be so certain about whether the WTC twin towers were still standing when he got to the 8th floor, he said he knew because he LOOKED.

It would not surprise me, that had he been more thoroughly questioned, it was determined that Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess did arrive at the OEM after 2 WTC had been attacked.

In spite of the murky timeline issues, it still makes little sense to me that before 9 am he was on his way to 7 WTC, had been alerted to the 1st attack, was making good time in "excellent" traffic conditions, and yet, according to your preferred timeline, it took him until almost 10:30 am to get to the OEM, find out about the evacuation and while hurrying down the the stairs, only made it to the 6th floor before 1 WTC collapsed.

Now we have things he didn't say offered as evidence.

 

[Gamolon]

He did not say that he was "directed" to the OEM at 7 WTC.

Wrong.

I was on my way to work and... uh... traffic was excellent. I received a call that... uh... a small Cessna had hit the... uh... World Trade Center and I was asked to go and... uh... man the... uh... Office of Emergency Management at the World Trade Center 7 on the 23rd floor.

Starts at :28 in the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o0PTsP1_AE

 

[pgimeno]

I ask you to have the courage to face reality now and start helping with spreading the truth. Thank you.

I'm on it, thanks for the advice. Problem is, you won't listen.

 

[tsig]

When 3 towers fall at or close to free-fall on the same day, in the same place, and the official theory is based on fires melting steel and removing instantly all resistance to collapse, it is blatantly obvious that something is being covered up.
When you watch towers 1 and 2 exploding, followed by wtc 7 visibly in controlled demolition, anyone with the capacity to observe and who understands anything basic about structure or physics knows for certain that all three towers were demolished by explosives or incendiary devices. There's no need for a complete analysis of demolition techniques to understand the basics. The only question remaining is who did it. It probably wasn't anything to do with Osama bin Laden as he was on a kidney dialysis machine in the military hospital of Rawapindi the evening before according to hospital staff there. Nor could it have been the accused 19 Arabs because at least 8 of them showed up alive to declare their innocence 3 days later. Same names same faces and they are still alive today. So we know the official report is total nonsense and impossible.
When by simple research on the internet you can find video statements by Larry Silverstein, the owner of the 3 towers, saying that they decided to pull it and then stand back and watch it fall, referring to wtc 7. When you hear witnesses on the scene saying they were told that wtc 7 was going to be brought down. When a witness, Kevin McPadden, military medic and first responder, states he heard the last 3 seconds of the countdown on an NYPD radio held by an agent standing next to him and at the end of the countdown the building blew up and fell symmetrically in 7 seconds. When you see and hear the explosions recorded in a video just before the free fall collapse of wtc 7. When you listen to the reporters who were witnessing and reporting in real time on the explosions as they happened just prior to each building collapse. When you observe the simultaneous explosions on every visible floor just before it collapses, you start to wake up to the reality that all 3 towers were brought down by controlled demolition.
When this glaringly obvious truth is further confirmed by many independent scientists who each examined the residue in the dust samples and they all independently state that they found evidence of nano thermite which can only be produced in high tech military laboratories, you know that the official story of 9/11 is covering up something they don't want you to see and that many are afraid to see.
When some people who claim they've researched 9/11 say they still believe the official story you know you are witnessing willful blindness, denial to face the truth or just plain lying to keep themselves in a more comfortable belief system despite the drastic consequences for the future, or because they are paid trolls. They are in a mental state comparable to hypnotism or a trance. It is important for the future of humanity that they wake up.The more of the right kind of research you do the more clear and undeniable all this becomes. That is why many honest and courageous people are spending so much time trying to do this most important but difficult task. I am disappointed that quite a few on JREF are actively trying to condemn the future for our children. I ask you to have the courage to face reality now and start helping with spreading the truth. Thank you.

Why?

So anyone who doesn't agree with you is a coward?

 

[JayUtah]

When 3 towers fall at or close to free-fall on the same day, in the same place, and the official theory is based on fires melting steel and removing instantly all resistance to collapse, it is blatantly obvious that something is being covered up.

No, you're just begging the question. Over and over and over again. The majority of your run-on rant is just a rehash of long-debunked nonsense, extensive discussions of all of which you can find here in these pages and which have repeated for 13 years. But since your argument is that anyone who even attempts an informed objection to your beliefs must necessarily be self-deluded, I can't imagine you'll participate.

I ask you to have the courage to face reality now and start helping with spreading the truth. Thank you.

I've been helping to spread the truth since I witnessed Steven Jones' first laughable attempts to pretend at forensic engineering here in Utah, before he gained a national audience.

The question is whether, after 13 years of making no headway except among a few of the gullible public, you have the courage to consider the possibility that you might be wrong.

 

[Gamolon]

eta: "Hi. My name is Barry Jennings. Um. I'm 52 years old. Um, I've worked for for 32 years in one location". WTC7 hadn't been there that long, so he was headed elsewhere. The effect on his journey time would depend on his route.

eeta: The police showed him the way to the elevator. Jennings had no key to the office. Hess later found a stairwell. Doesn't sound like his regular place of work, does it?

In addition to that, there was a section in the The NYCHA Employee Bulletin that states the following regarding what he did AFTER his ordeal in WTC7:

Later that same day, still covered with soot and partly in shock, Mr. Jennings reported to work to the applause of his stunned staff.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/downloads/pdf/emp_bulletin_oct_2008.pdf

Sounds to me like he had a main office somewhere else and manned the OEM when he needed to be there. He certainly didn't report to work at WTC7.

 

[Gamolon]

I do not agree that Mr. Jennings observed the burning vehicles immediately after breaking the windows.

Wrong.

Once I broke out the windows, I could see outside below me... I saw ...ummm... police cars... on fire... buses on fire. Uh... I looked one way, the building was there, I looked the other way, it was gone.

Started at 2:26 within the video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o0PTsP1_AE

This quote above is different than what he says later in the video when he says almost the same thing. The building being there when he looked one way and "gone" looking the other has to be WTC7. The only way part of WTC7 was "gone" was after it was hit by debris from the collapsing tower.

 

[GlennB]

In addition to that, there was a section in the The NYCHA Employee Bulletin that states the following regarding what he did AFTER his ordeal in WTC7:


http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/downloads/pdf/emp_bulletin_oct_2008.pdf

Sounds to me like he had a main office somewhere else and manned the OEM when he needed to be there. He certainly didn't report to work at WTC7.

Indeed. Thanks for that.

In fairness the diversion to WTC7 might have been quicker than his normal trip, but we won't know unless we know his route to work.

 

[Animal]

When 3 towers fall at or close to free-fall on the same day, in the same place, and the official theory is based on fires melting steel and removing instantly all resistance to collapse, it is blatantly obvious that something is being covered up.
When you watch towers 1 and 2 exploding, followed by wtc 7 visibly in controlled demolition, anyone with the capacity to observe and who understands anything basic about structure or physics knows for certain that all three towers were demolished by explosives or incendiary devices. There's no need for a complete analysis of demolition techniques to understand the basics. The only question remaining is who did it.It probably wasn't anything to do with Osama bin Laden as he was on a kidney dialysis machine in the military hospital of Rawapindi the evening before according to hospital staff there. Nor could it have been the accused 19 Arabs because at least 8 of them showed up alive to declare their innocence 3 days later. Same names same faces and they are still alive today. So we know the official report is total nonsense and impossible.
When by simple research on the internet you can find video statements by Larry Silverstein, the owner of the 3 towers, saying that they decided to pull it and then stand back and watch it fall, referring to wtc 7. When you hear witnesses on the scene saying they were told that wtc 7 was going to be brought down. When a witness, Kevin McPadden, military medic and first responder, states he heard the last 3 seconds of the countdown on an NYPD radio held by an agent standing next to him and at the end of the countdown the building blew up and fell symmetrically in 7 seconds. When you see and hear the explosions recorded in a video just before the free fall collapse of wtc 7. When you listen to the reporters who were witnessing and reporting in real time on the explosions as they happened just prior to each building collapse. When you observe the simultaneous explosions on every visible floor just before it collapses, you start to wake up to the reality that all 3 towers were brought down by controlled demolition.
When this glaringly obvious truth is further confirmed by many independent scientists who each examined the residue in the dust samples and they all independently state that they found evidence of nano thermite which can only be produced in high tech military laboratories, you know that the official story of 9/11 is covering up something they don't want you to see and that many are afraid to see.
When some people who claim they've researched 9/11 say they still believe the official story you know you are witnessing willful blindness, denial to face the truth or just plain lying to keep themselves in a more comfortable belief system despite the drastic consequences for the future, or because they are paid trolls. They are in a mental state comparable to hypnotism or a trance. It is important for the future of humanity that they wake up.
The more of the right kind of research you do the more clear and undeniable all this becomes. That is why many honest and courageous people are spending so much time trying to do this most important but difficult task. I am disappointed that quite a few on JREF are actively trying to condemn the future for our children. I ask you to have the courage to face reality now and start helping with spreading the truth. Thank you.

Blatant lies are in red......the rest............... Did we time warp back to 2006?

 

[The Big Dog]

Blatant lies are in red......the rest............... Did we time warp back to 2006?

the McPadden thing is a lie, but not his lie... so....

 

[000063]

Not interpretation!

There is no other possible meaning.

Let's face it Glenn, any testimony that puts your inflexible beliefs into question, is a "worthless mess" in your opinion.

*cough*

Time to first lie? It starts at 5 words.

melting steel....

I like how he waffles with "at or near freefall", but is absolutely certain about melting steel being part of the Official Story. Which is a textbook example of a Masochistic Lie.