Michael Brown Shooting

[The Central Scrutinizer]

It's strange to see such an effort to minimize the aggressive theft, which we KNOW occurred, while at the same time maximizing the imagined bad actions of the cop, when we simply don't know.
That's bias in its raw, pure form.

And it has no place on a skeptics forum, except as a source of amusement.

 

[sadhatter]

And you honestly don't see the mirror image of this in the attempt to maximize the seriousness of a shoplifting incident compounded with a shove, into a "violent felon" who would easily "bumrush" an armed policeman (who was in the act of shooting him) in an attempt to murder the cop? You don't see how young black males are given almost superhuman powers to the point that their single step (even unarmed) is considered a serious threat to an armed police office standing 20-35 feet away? How they are still a threat after being shot five times?

What you seem to be missing is that brown was a pretty big guy. I'm about half his weight, if i were to be armed with a one pound piece of steel, i would rightly be deemed a threat, yet he at his size should not be?

being armed helps one in combat, but being huge is just as much of an advantage. We are not talking a teacup like myself we are talking about a rather big guy with a tenancy for violence. How secure would you be in taking him out unarmed?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm getting six followed by four ..

Here is the recording at normal speed..

http://vid1130.photobucket.com/albums/m532/abitofmystuff/NewgunshotsNormal_zps8fe440b6.mp4


Here it is slowed down to half speed..

http://vid1130.photobucket.com/albums/m532/abitofmystuff/Newgunshotsslow_zps7a00c94a.mp4

The echoes are more apparent in the group of four, which indicate an acoustic/position change between the first six and the last four...

The only change I hear in the second volley is two of the shots are closer together than the rest and one shot overlaps the echo of the previous one.

Maybe your hearing is more acute.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

What would be left of the brain after the first autopsy?

Keep in mind that bullets often veer off course even when they do not hit anything solid, and more often if they do.

I cannot visualize any shot that I would call "back to front".

The purpose of the term "back to front" from Parcells seems obvious, imo.

If we stand Brown's body up the bullet path then appears to be "back to front", but that is not representative.

Parcell points the trajectory out on a skull model using a pen. I know it's hard to listen to Nancy Grace's inane interruptions, but you just need to watch from about minute 3:50 for about 2 minutes of the video.

Tissue damage from a bullet is going to be easily distinguished from a medical examiner's scalpel. Dr Baden was very frank about what he could not tell from his autopsy. I have no reason to doubt the results of what he could tell.

Are you unhappy with the trajectory of the fatal bullet? I know some people soo wanted it to be in the forehead front to back.

 

[Distracted1]

Because it's a total waste of taxpayer money to go around hassling kids in the middle of a narrow residential street.

Because that kind of hassling over such minor things contributes to the wider antagonistic relationship that the police and citizens in Ferguson have. It's bad policing and it's not just liberals saying that.

While " teens " is technically correct. " kids " is not.

How is telling a couple "kids" not to walk in the street the wrong thing to do ,ever?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

While " teens " is technically correct. " kids " is not.

How is ALLEGEDLY telling a couple "kids" not to walk in the street the wrong thing to do ,ever?

FTFY

When you're a cop in a department that has an antagonistic relationship with the community you police, it makes the situation worse to ALLEGEDLY tell two young men to get the : on the sidewalk when they probably aren't hurting anyone.

 

[Giz]

FTFY

When you're a cop in a department that has an antagonistic relationship with the community you police, it makes the situation worse to ALLEGEDLY tell two young men to get the : on the sidewalk when they probably aren't hurting anyone.

So, I'm guessing you're not a fan of the "broken windows" theory of policing?

 

[Unabogie]

No, this is a joke:

He still doesn't sound like a troublemaker, based on your standards. I mean, had Mike Brown been arrested multiple times for violence against women? For violence against a DEA agent? For raping his cousin? For locking his mother out of the house? For kicking a family dog? For barricading himself in a house while police pounded on the door?

Oh, wait, no, those are just minor youthful indiscretions, depending on whom our subject happened to shoot and kill recently.

 

[tsig]

A police officer's role is different from just some random motorist moving through the environment, his role is to enforce the law and maintain order. Admonishing some punk, thug felons to use the sidewalk rather than create a hazard and an obstruction by walking down the street is well within an officer's duties.

If he silently just navigated around them, they would take that as them winning the challenge they had thrown down to the society around them. Walking down the middle of the street or blasting loud, ear-shattering music are both done as challenges. "Who wants some?" - some young males are spoiling for a fight, and a chance to try to assert their dominance.

Mighty rough jungle you live in what with testosterone dripping young bucks just signifying all over the place.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

How did having pot in his bloodstream, with no clue how long since he'd smoked any pot, turn into "he had illegal drugS in his system"? I've seen nothing referenced but marijuana. Our favorite racists have upped the ante, I guess.

Has there been a full toxicology report released?

Perhaps that is still being withheld..

The only change I hear in the second volley is two of the shots are closer together than the rest and one shot overlaps the echo of the previous one.

Maybe your hearing is more acute.

Referring to the slowed down version, with regard to the first six, I'm not hearing much of an echo all, more like reverberation; whereas the group of four sounds more like eight shots due to what I hear as distinct echoes..

I do have some hearing impairment, so I may not be hearing it very accurately ..

 

[Elagabalus]

I'm getting six followed by four ..

Here is the recording at normal speed..

http://vid1130.photobucket.com/albums/m532/abitofmystuff/NewgunshotsNormal_zps8fe440b6.mp4


Here it is slowed down to half speed..

http://vid1130.photobucket.com/albums/m532/abitofmystuff/Newgunshotsslow_zps7a00c94a.mp4

The echoes are more apparent in the group of four, which indicate an acoustic/position change between the first six and the last four...

6 rapid fire.
3 second pause (approx.)
1 shot
1 second pause (approx.)
3 rapid fire

 

[LTC8K6]

Parcell points the trajectory out on a skull model using a pen. I know it's hard to listen to Nancy Grace's inane interruptions, but you just need to watch from about minute 3:50 for about 2 minutes of the video.

Tissue damage from a bullet is going to be easily distinguished from a medical examiner's scalpel. Dr Baden was very frank about what he could not tell from his autopsy. I have no reason to doubt the results of what he could tell.

Are you unhappy with the trajectory of the fatal bullet? I know some people soo wanted it to be in the forehead front to back.

I have no disagreement over the likely bullet path. Calling it "back to front" is disingenuous, and intentionally misleading, imo.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

6 rapid fire.
3 second pause (approx.)
1 shot
1 second pause (approx.)
3 rapid fire

Regarding the first six, I hear one, then a distinct pause followed by five...

The very thin spikes are the shots...

 

[Elagabalus]

Regarding the first six, I hear one, then a distinct pause followed by five...

Yes. Here's the break down:

.636 s between shot 1 and shot 2
.380 s between shot 2 and shot 3
.304 s between shot 3 and shot 4
.275 s between shot 4 and shot 5
.332 s between shot 5 and shot 6

3.038 s between shot 6 and shot 7

.959 s between shot 7 and shot 8

.399 s between shot 8 and shot 9*
.389 s between shot 9 and shot 10*

* shot 9 is a little hard to pinpoint

 

[marplots]

My son is a big guy. He's been in some bar fights. Thankfully, he's white and never got shot dead for aggressive behavior. Lucky.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So, I'm guessing you're not a fan of the "broken windows" theory of policing?

I saw evidence the NYC data shows the changes in NY's violent crime rate was coincidental not causal and the stop and frisk policy has done nothing but exacerbate the racism.

But that's a separate issue. Why would that policy apply everywhere? And I'm not the only one who has noticed the mistakes the local police are making with their antagonistic approach.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

...
Referring to the slowed down version, with regard to the first six, I'm not hearing much of an echo all, more like reverberation; whereas the group of four sounds more like eight shots due to what I hear as distinct echoes..

I do have some hearing impairment, so I may not be hearing it very accurately ..

I listened to both versions trying to hear something different but only those overlapping shots near the end is the only difference I detected.

What is it you think the changed sounds possibly mean if there?

 

[marplots]

Why don't the cops shoot and kill protestors who become aggressive? Aren't they worried about them snatching police guns too?

Wilson's perception of threat level is very much an issue here. And that's why race and the social context matter - even if it turns out the shooting is ruled justifiable.

Cameras might be the best thing to come out of this mess:
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/16/6023481/michael-mike-brown-ferguson-body-cameras

 

[sadhatter]

Mighty rough jungle you live in what with testosterone dripping young bucks just signifying all over the place.

Not just blacks, as a literal young punk myself friends and i often did this, though we would leave it at verbal abuse of the drivers. And we were no where near as hard core as some.

Must be nice, this perfectly peaceful place you live in.

 

[sadhatter]

My son is a big guy. He's been in some bar fights. Thankfully, he's white and never got shot dead for aggressive behavior. Lucky.

Were any of these fights with a police officer?

Bars tend to ban weapons, so saying he was not shot yet is like saying there probably will be at least one cloud in the sky tomorrow. Not as obvious as saying the sky is blue, but up there.