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Michael Brown Shooting

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marplots said:
Why don't the cops shoot and kill protestors who become aggressive? Aren't they worried about them snatching police guns too?

Wilson's perception of threat level is very much an issue here. And that's why race and the social context matter - even if it turns out the shooting is ruled justifiable.

Cameras might be the best thing to come out of this mess:
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/16/6023481/michael-mike-brown-ferguson-body-cameras
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Probably because said protesters were not just in a fist fight with them. That would be my guess anyway.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
FTFY

When you're a cop in a department that has an antagonistic relationship with the community you police, it makes the situation worse to ALLEGEDLY tell two young men to get the :rule10: on the sidewalk when they probably aren't hurting anyone.
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Now they are " young men ", a few posts ago they were " kids ", my post earlier was meant to highlite that distinction.
" kids " should never walk in the street.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I have no disagreement over the likely bullet path. Calling it "back to front" is disingenuous, and intentionally misleading, imo.
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On the drawing it is marked at the apex of the head. When Parcells demonstrates the entry wound on the 3D model, he showed the entry further back on the model skull.

But even if it were from the apex, it angles toward the face. Unless the trajectory was angled straight down, the angle is either going to be left to right, right to left, front to back or back to front.

It may not be what you want to hear, but there was nothing in the autopsy press conference that was any attempt to suggest a conclusion about what happened.

Anatomically we normally describe things as medial, lateral, dorsal, palmer, anterior, posterior, superior, inferior and so on. My take on it is the examiner was merely translating into lay terminology posterior to anterior which is likely how the wound is technically described on the official autopsy.
 
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Distracted1 said:
Now they are " young men ", a few posts ago they were " kids ", my post earlier was meant to highlite that distinction.
" kids " should never walk in the street.
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Are you also unhappy about the way things are going with the evidence? You seem to be trying to sidetrack the issue.

In this thread I have called them kids, teens, young men, men and young adults. Make of it what you will. There is no there there.
 
sadhatter said:
Were any of these fights with a police officer?

Bars tend to ban weapons, so saying he was not shot yet is like saying there probably will be at least one cloud in the sky tomorrow. Not as obvious as saying the sky is blue, but up there.
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No police that I know of. And no one carrying concealed that I know of.

It's a matter of luck, isn't it?
 
tsig said:
Mighty rough jungle you live in what with testosterone dripping young bucks just signifying all over the place.
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Actually, walking in the middle of the street is a passive- aggressive act. I was going to compare it to playing ridiculously loud music earlier.
If you happen to live someplace where you don't get exposed to it very much, good for you. But it is an aggressive act sometimes.

I do not live in Ferguson, so I don't have first hand knowledge of wether or not it is a "thing"
there. If the behavior is the same as it is here, I have no problem with the officer telling the young men to vacate the roadway.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Are you also unhappy about the way things are going with the evidence? You seem to be trying to sidetrack the issue.

In this thread I have called them kids, teens, young men, men and young adults. Make of it what you will. There is no there there.
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The other terms are accurate.
If you have a problem with the characterization of Mr. Brown as a " thug ", you should endeavor not to insert prejudicial language like " kid " into your own descriptions.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
On the drawing it is marked at the apex of the head. When Parcells demonstrates the entry wound on the 3D model, he showed the entry further back on the model skull.

But even if it were from the apex, it angles toward the face. Unless the trajectory was angled straight down, the angle is either going to be left to right, right to left, front to back or back to front.

It may not be what you want to hear, but there was nothing in the autopsy press conference that was any attempt to suggest a conclusion about what happened.

Anatomically we normally describe things as medial, lateral, dorsal, palmer, anterior, posterior, superior, inferior and so on. My take on it is the examiner was merely translating into lay terminology posterior to anterior which is likely how the wound is technically described on the official autopsy.
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I would bet another Franklin that the official autopsy says something different about that bullet wound. :)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
On the drawing it is marked at the apex of the head. When Parcells demonstrates the entry wound on the 3D model, he showed the entry further back on the model skull.But even if it were from the apex, it angles toward the face. Unless the trajectory was angled straight down, the angle is either going to be left to right, right to left, front to back or back to front.

It may not be what you want to hear, but there was nothing in the autopsy press conference that was any attempt to suggest a conclusion about what happened.

Anatomically we normally describe things as medial, lateral, dorsal, palmer, anterior, posterior, superior, inferior and so on. My take on it is the examiner was merely translating into lay terminology posterior to anterior which is likely how the wound is technically described on the official autopsy.
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Got a link for the hilited, I haven't seen anything from any autopsy coverage showing a 3-D model. This is an honest request, not a snarky one.
 
Distracted1 said:
The other terms are accurate.
If you have a problem with the characterization of Mr. Brown as a " thug ", you should endeavor not to insert prejudicial language like " kid " into your own descriptions.
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18 yr olds are kids.

You don't have to agree but lots of other people do.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I would bet another Franklin that the official autopsy says something different about that bullet wound. :)
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I don't think it will. I see no evidence Dr Baden was dishonest or incompetent or that the county medical examiner is involved in any big conspiracy to protect the cop.

I think all three autopsies are going to be similar with the exception the other two will have access to the additional evidence Baden did not.
 
I'm still flabbergasted about why people should walk down the street and not the sidewalk?
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People walking in the street is flabbergasting? Seriously? When we see people 'walking in the street' do we normally call 911? Should we? :confused:

Stealing twenty or thirty dollars worth of cigars and then shoving the clerk who tries to stop him is a violent robbery? Technically yes I suppose. Only I've seen this happen and around here the storeowners would probably do the same thing the people at Ferguson Market did. Nothing. Some might've called the police, yes, but I don't think that would've triggered a citywide manhunt. The storeowner in the video didn't even seem to be especially afraid of Murderous Mike. If he had been why would he have chased after him?

I understand that people are trying to make this look as bad as possible. I can agree that Brown acted like a jerk. I can agree that if he did slug the cop -- never mind try and grab his gun -- then it's a different ballgame. You do that you're looking at a stay in prison, unless you get a very lenient judge.

It's the 'killing him' part I have trouble with.
 
newyorkguy said:
People walking in the street is flabbergasting? Seriously? When we see people 'walking in the street' do we normally call 911? Should we? :confused:

Stealing twenty or thirty dollars worth of cigars and then shoving the clerk who tries to stop him is a violent robbery? Technically yes I suppose. Only I've seen this happen and around here the storeowners would probably do the same thing the people at Ferguson Market did. Nothing. Some might've called the police, yes, but I don't think that would've triggered a citywide manhunt. The storeowner in the video didn't even seem to be especially afraid of Murderous Mike. If he had been why would he have chased after him?

I understand that people are trying to make this look as bad as possible. I can agree that Brown acted like a jerk. I can agree that if he did slug the cop -- never mind try and grab his gun -- then it's a different ballgame. You do that you're looking at a stay in prison, unless you get a very lenient judge.

It's the 'killing him' part I have trouble with.
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Please explain the officers options if Mr.Brown was returning for another go.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I do agree when a person does more than meet the technical definition of a violent felony by shoving someone.
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How much more, exactly?

How about a violent shove, followed by further intimidation by backing the shopkeeper into the store with threat of further violence?

You wish to call this shoplifting. Is there some reason Mr. Brown wouldn't choose to actually shoplift the cigars?, he could have tried tucking them under his shirt and sneaking out undetected- instead he strong armed his theft- his first choice was the more violent one.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt here that you are not being deliberately obtuse, I am going to have to consider your reading of that situation as simple naïveté. I can tell you that I have been places where that level of violence has transpired, almost exactly as seen in the recording, and I can tell you that was a whole lot more than a " little shove " of a situation.
 
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