Michael Brown Shooting

[TheL8Elvis]

She wasn't. He doesn't know what he's talking about. "Josie" was giving a third hand account of what she was told happened.

Correction, "Josie" was repeating a story off of a fake FB page.

According to LGF. Because ...drumroll...the stories are similar.

That's some slam-bang evidence it's a fake right there, huh ?

It couldn't possibly be because they are repeating the story that was being discussed by family members before this incident blew up ?

BTW, it wasn't a "fake" FB post. It was an actual FB post. You may want to re-read the article.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Are you sure he was fired?

People?

Being accurate doesn't seem to matter when you are hyperboling...

Yes. Every officer in the department was fired. They were allowed to reapply for their positions but Wilson got hired in Ferguson instead.

You think because the department was so bad it was disbanded that somehow isn't getting fired?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Any evidence to prove the hilited part?

discredit Wilson at every chance you can. [/quote]It was pointed out when the chief's claim Wilson didn't have anything bad in his files that a lot of 'bad' wasn't put in anyone's files.

EVERYONE got fired from the police department, why do you imply that it was just Wilson that got fired?

I implied no such thing. It was a small department that was so bad they all got fired. You think Wilson was the one good apple in the barrel of bad apples?

I understand that Josie was a third hand, that's why I included that another person confirmed they fought at the window. You had no reason to say "no one is denying that" because if you would have taken time to read, you would have noticed someone WAS in denial. The individual I specifically quoted, and was replying too. If you're going to throw out a barrage of word salad than at least pay attention to who said what, and when. Otherwise you're just adding to an already confusing, fast moving thread. Thanks.

No, Josie wasn't third hand, she was a fake. You missed that post, go back to start.

 

[Jim_MDP]

He has to explain how the shots entered into the top of Brown's head.

I proposed what I felt was a neutral explanation of what may possibly have resulted in that, and you hand waved it away as though I had an agenda.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Here is one scenario that has a good chance of making it thought the courts:

Brown was shot at as a fleeing felon, and killed when the officer thought Brown was attacking the officer.

Poll or Pool, which do you think we should start? Or both?

How about with the autopsy. The fatal shots were both in the top of the head.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Here's Missouri's standard jury instruction for use of force to effect arrest:



It's hard to imagine a scenario where Wilson is justified in using lethal force to effect the arrest but not a self-defense justification.

No weapon, the crime of theft of cigars, shoving a clerk, jaywalking, and resisting arrest: if you are talking about shooting a fleeing suspect.

That's who you think police are justified calling an imminent threat?

That's sad you think petty criminals are that dangerous.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

According to LGF. Because ...drumroll...the stories are similar.

That's some slam-bang evidence it's a fake right there, huh ?

It couldn't possibly be because they are repeating the story that was being discussed by family members before this incident blew up ?

BTW, it wasn't a "fake" FB post. It was an actual FB post. You may want to re-read the article.

Stories are similar?

At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip.

Remember the FB page came first.

If not fake, now it is even more removed than third hand:

8/15 Jill Meadows posts a story on Josie Meadows’ facebook page at 7:29 am
8/15 Josie goes on Dana’s show to spew
8/17 the fake Darren Wilson post goes up

So Josie was just recounting a different Facebook post than I originally thought. Still means that the media is treating Josie’s (at best) third hand account of the shooting as equal to actual witnesses.

And notice Jill Meadows never says where she got her info. Just a cryptic “I believe in my heart for it to be factually true because I know someone very well who was there.”

At what point are you going to admit this stuff is not evidence of anything except maybe Wilson has groupies?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I proposed what I felt was a neutral explanation of what may possibly have resulted in that, and you hand waved it away as though I had an agenda.

How is it neutral if it hand waves away three eye witnesses that gave consistent accounts Brown was trying to surrender and the autopsy is consistent with their accounts?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Stories are similar?

Remember the FB page came first.

If not fake, now it is even more removed than third hand:At what point are you going to admit this stuff is not evidence of anything except maybe Wilson has groupies?

Unlike you, I am probably going to wait until we know what Wilsons account of events was, and see the extent of his injuries.

See how that works ?

 

[Mike!]

How about with the autopsy. The fatal shots were both in the top of the head.

I think that's been shown to be quite possible, to the satisfaction of all but one...

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Because surely Google maps is more accurate than multiple images of the actual shooting scene.

You think google maps is inaccurate ?

Are you really doubling down on your claim the street is only 20 feet wide ?

 

[Jim_MDP]

How is it neutral if it hand waves away three eye witnesses that gave consistent accounts Brown was trying to surrender and the autopsy is consistent with their accounts?

But not conclusive of their accounts. It's you that handwaves away any possible alternative.

Not all of us are decided on the facts of this case and certainly not as to those we've not learned yet.

You on the other hand...

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

You think google maps is inaccurate ?

Are you really doubling down on your claim the street is only 20 feet wide ?

Is this a joke?

Given the images of the 20ft wide street, I truly cannot tell.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think that's been shown to be quite possible, to the satisfaction of all but one...

What are those supposed to be proof of again?

 

[Distracted1]

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[Distracted1]

No weapon, the crime of theft of cigars, shoving a clerk, jaywalking, and resisting arrest: if you are talking about shooting a fleeing suspect.

That's who you think police are justified calling an imminent threat?

That's sad you think petty criminals are that dangerous.

Why do you include " resisting arrest " in your list?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Is this a joke?

Given the images of the 20ft wide street, I truly cannot tell.

Thanks for that..

I guess 28+ feet is not much more than 20 ...

But perhaps Ginger can explain it better, and why it matters...
Not me...

 

[Distracted1]

No weapon, the crime of theft of cigars, shoving a clerk, jaywalking, and resisting arrest: if you are talking about shooting a fleeing suspect.

That's who you think police are justified calling an imminent threat?

That's sad you think petty criminals are that dangerous.

Actually, had the unarmed Mr. Brown not even been walking in the middle of the street on his way home from committing a violent felony at the convenience store, he could still be considered an imminent threat to officer Wilson after his attack upon him.

The other crimes are just window dressing.

 

[marplots]

In that pic, the street is vertical, so maybe it stretches out a bit.

 

[steve s]

Sure is.

If Google Maps has a ruler tool I haven't found it. Even the little box labeled "Earth" only gives you the sat view. No tools.

That's why I tend to go to Google Earth when I really want to check something out. There's a lot more you can do with it.

The Ruler feature in Google Earth puts the street at about 28 feet wide. And before Ginger dismisses it as being too inaccurate, the pic below shows it's accurate to within about 0.06%.

Steve S