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Michael Brown Shooting

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LTC8K6 said:
We have seen a few examples where a single officer has been overwhelmed by a physically larger, unarmed suspect. They rarely end well for the officer.

There are definitely times when a police officer should shoot an unarmed suspect, imo.

If an officer loses a fight with a suspect, the suspect can take their gun. Something we have also seen.
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When criminal suspects bum rush police officers and overwhelm them, it's because slavery. When police officers shoot suspects trying to bum rush and overwhelm them, it's because racism.
 
Cylinder said:
Here's the deal. I've never once vouched the veracity of the report and more than once urged caution. There is no backtracking.

My position before I learned of this reportage: Medical reports will determine the extent of Wilson's injury.

My position after learning of this reportage: Medical reports will determine the extent of Wilson's injury.

My position replying to this post: Medical reports will determine the extent Wilson's injury.

I evaluate the objective truth of the report as undetermined based on the criterion described above. I evaluate the possibility of this report being truthful as plausible based on narratives provided by the FPD and the family friend which have been corroborated as being consistent with Wilson's narrative subject to the asterisk regarding second-hand reporting.

I evaluate claims that the report is either objectively false or objectively true as unreliable based on the person making those claims not having access to information from which to draw an objective conclusion.

The report is false. The attending, board-certified radiologist indicated no damage to any of the orbital bones and structures. Here's a jpeg of the imaging and here's the report..
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What the forum needs is a qualified medical professional to help us with issues like this. We used to have a doctor years ago (Third Twin) and a nurse (FLS), but they haven't been around for quite some time. We have lawyers and engineers and physicists, etc, but are deficient when it comes to medicine.
 
stanfr said:
I never said anything about protesting. "whites are former slaves" = "whites are members of a racial group formerly held as slaves" Does that help? I think you know darn well what i meant. Do you agree with Skeptic Tank's argument--that context doesn't matter?? That we can just arbitrarily reassign the races involved and then laugh when the 'liberal media' doesn't respond the same way?
Ridiculous. I hope you know how ridiculous it is, or you are walking on real thin ice.
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I was pointing out the ridiculous hyperbole in your post, try using a coherent argument next time.
 
marplots said:
False choice. Even in this case. Take the lethal means away from the cop and there are still options. Call for back-up, wait in your car. Let the guy get away. Follow him in your vehicle.

The problem here is when the only options suggested are confrontation and escalation; when the only choices lead to kill or be killed. We need to seriously consider changing the game we want to play.
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Don't forget the option of simply getting beaten to death. That belongs on your list too.
 
Distracted1 said:
It justifies providing LEOs with a means to defend themselves from violent felons, yes.
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It's not rocket science. Other countries seem to manage it. There are Limeys here, we should ask them what they think of that video and how their officers handle a bit of fisticuffs.
 
marplots said:
It's not rocket science. Other countries seem to manage it. There are Limeys here, we should ask them what they think of that video and how their officers handle a bit of fisticuffs.
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I am not opposed to that. Keeping in mind that the presence of firearms in the population is much lower there ( something that I think they are much better off for BTW )

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Philly-Police-Officer-Struck-in-Shooting-271783991.html

FWIW, that is my neighborhood. Four city blocks from my home.
 
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Howie Felterbush said:
At least Truthers are entertaining.

This is like watching a drunk at a party that doesn't realize he's pissed himself.
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Yeah. "Just asking questions" would be a relief here.

Cylinder said:
Also, he doesn't have a nose...
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And his left arm is either gone or 4 feet long. So weird.


Skeptical Greg said:
Do you really expect to maintain any credibility you may have in this discussion,
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She has no shame. After every post, there is some kind of reset button that absolves her from whatever nonsense was posted under her handle.


Brainster said:
All lies and jest!
Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....

The idea that this is skepticism is risible. You are providing instead a perfect example of confirmation bias. It is reasonable to be skeptical of the orbital fracture claim. It is not reasonable to call it a fraud based on one grainy photo which might (or might not) be Wilson, and a videotape shot from 100 or more feet away.
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newyorkguy said:
To compare the photo of Wilson to "a single bright pixel" is insulting. The second message is [redacted]. :mad: I don't think Skeptic Ginger (or anyone) deserves to be personally attacked this way.
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Wahmbulace is thataway.

Skeptic Ginger said:
And the back peddling continues. Who me? I never said it was a true claim. :rolleyes:

:sdl: Sooo predictable.
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Pedaling. Like a bicycle.

The Central Scrutinizer said:
LOL! I guess that's what they have in Australia. Maybe more kangaroos than skeptics, by the look of it.
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Tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred
Tan me hide when I'm dead
So we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde
And that's it hangin' on the shed!!​
 
It is rather amazing to me how many people, even public figures who should know better, do not understand why this officer has not been immediately arrested and placed on trial...

None of these people know any facts in evidence other than what has been released to the media, and on that one can only say that there was, in fact, a fatal police-involved shooting.

Other than that, no facts at all are in the public sphere.

Folks see "police shoot unarmed black teen-ager" and that's it. It must be a brutal murder with no justification.

Me, I wonder what's going to go down if/when the grand jury examines the actual evidence and concludes there is "no true bill"..... In other words, they don't indict.
I suspect more unrest will be the result.
 
Bikewer said:
It is rather amazing to me how many people, even public figures who should know better, do not understand why this officer has not been immediately arrested and placed on trial...

None of these people know any facts in evidence other than what has been released to the media, and on that one can only say that there was, in fact, a fatal police-involved shooting.

Other than that, no facts at all are in the public sphere.

Folks see "police shoot unarmed black teen-ager" and that's it. It must be a brutal murder with no justification.

Me, I wonder what's going to go down if/when the grand jury examines the actual evidence and concludes there is "no true bill"..... In other words, they don't indict.
I suspect more unrest will be the result.
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If this GJ does not indict, it will be a miracle given the process, and the pressure on prosecutor to deliver. No indictment is going to set off total chaos.

If that happens, though, the Feds will work to get some sort of hate crime deal going to where Wilson can be tried federally for the death. There was talk of this with Zimmerman.

I don't think that will work here though. I haven't heard a peep about Wilson being a racist or having any racist encounters or incidents.
 
Bikewer said:
It is rather amazing to me how many people, even public figures who should know better, do not understand why this officer has not been immediately arrested and placed on trial...

None of these people know any facts in evidence other than what has been released to the media, and on that one can only say that there was, in fact, a fatal police-involved shooting.

Other than that, no facts at all are in the public sphere.

Folks see "police shoot unarmed black teen-ager" and that's it. It must be a brutal murder with no justification.

Me, I wonder what's going to go down if/when the grand jury examines the actual evidence and concludes there is "no true bill"..... In other words, they don't indict.
I suspect more unrest will be the result.
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Well, there is the autopsy evidence, which casts some doubt on the star witness's story, and apparently there are other witnesses who contradict the star witness's story (that is, they state that Brown was rushing the officer when he was shot). I think it is more likely than not at this point that Wilson will be indicted, simply because of public pressure, but he will almost certainly be acquitted at trial (there is a reasonable doubt about whether he shot Brown when he was surrendering).

And there will no doubt be more unrest when he is acquitted.
 
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