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Michael Brown Shooting

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The irony is here, people in this thread have said that some of the eyewitnesses -- or people who claimed to be eyewitnesses -- were probably influenced by other statements. That witnesses have changed their accounts to fit new evidence. Yeah, quite possibly true.

To people who want to see justice done, it is equally suspicious that we're twelve days into this and still the Ferguson PD has not released any kind of statement explaining what the officer's account is or what they think happened. That is normally what police departments do, in my experience, usually within 24-48 hours.

Some people suspect what they might be doing is, they're waiting to see what evidence turns up before releasing the "official version." They don't want to put anything out too soon for fear it might be contradicted by some unexpected piece of evidence that turns up. If that happened they would be dead in the water and they know it. Instead of an investigation some people suspect what they are actually doing is working to get this officer exonerated.

When the police kill someone, when witnesses say it was done execution style, doesn't the community have a right to some basic information from the authorities. Would anyone argue that? That the public has the right to have the police officials say, "Okay we understand there's some questions about this, here's what we know."
 
newyorkguy said:
If Wilson wasn't a police officer does anybody really believe he would not have already been arrested?
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Monketey Ghost said:
I know this is probably against all likelihood to meet with success, but could you pretty please cite your sources?
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You want my source? For a belief?

If you had shot and killed an unarmed man after some confrontation and three witnesses told the police you shot them execution style, you doubt you'd be arrested? That the police would let you go about your business pending a Grand Jury's finding? That police can't arrest anyone unless and until a Grand Jury returns an indictment? Please tell me you don't actually believe that. This has got to be a "talking point." Yes?

:rolleyes:
 
newyorkguy said:
....If Wilson wasn't a police officer does anybody really believe he would not have already been arrested?
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Why is that so hard to believe?

If Wilson wasn't a police officer it's highly unlikely he would have found himself in the circumstances that resulted in the shooting.

However, initial investigations of people shooting people, often result in no one being arrested..
 
newyorkguy said:
The irony is here, people in this thread have said that some of the eyewitnesses -- or people who claimed to be eyewitnesses -- were probably influenced by other statements. That witnesses have changed their accounts to fit new evidence. Yeah, quite possibly true.

To people who want to see justice done, it is equally suspicious that we're twelve days into this and still the Ferguson PD has not released any kind of statement explaining what the officer's account is or what they think happened. That is normally what police departments do, in my experience, usually within 24-48 hours.

Some people suspect what they might be doing is, they're waiting to see what evidence turns up before releasing the "official version." They don't want to put anything out too soon for fear it might be contradicted by some unexpected piece of evidence that turns up. If that happened they would be dead in the water and they know it. Instead of an investigation some people suspect what they are actually doing is working to get this officer exonerated.

When the police kill someone, when witnesses say it was done execution style, doesn't the community have a right to some basic information from the authorities. Would anyone argue that? That the public has the right to have the police officials say, "Okay we understand there's some questions about this, here's what we know."
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Wasn't the investigation taken away from FPD almost immediately and turned over to SLCPD?

On the 10th, it was the SLCPD Chief who issued the account of what happened.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crim...olice-news-conference-michael-brown/13860601/
 
LTC8K6 said:
It took two grand juries to get an indictment for voluntary manslaughter in that case.
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There was a procedural issue with the first jury. My point was, the officer was arrested within 48 hours. Are you disputing that too?
 
Cain said:
Imagine a filled out, 6'4" white guy stomps into a liquor store, grabs a bottle of Jack and waltzes out. The immigrant storekeeper tries to stop him, but the mountain of man grabs a fistful of shirt and grumbles "back off." He saunters down the street pleased with himself, casually disregarding laws big and small and jaywalks when --

A police SUV drives by.

This is Darren Wilson. He's 28, married and black. Sometimes it's difficult being a black man in white community, especially since this community's hostile to the police, but Wilson's been on the force for six years without incident, and even received a commendation for his service.

Wilson tells the jaywalker to stay out of the street, and the two men soon jaw each other. That's when Wilson recognizes the liquor bottle...

[**** goes down]

Wilson and his young wife flee town. They've received death threats.
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Imagine if the jaywalker acknowledges the request and retires to the sidewalk..
 
LTC8K6 said:
You know very well that there was a dash cam video in that case, and that's what allowed the quick determination to press charges.
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If only FPD had dashboard/lapel cameras it might be very clear that Wilson did nothing wrong... or not.
 
newyorkguy said:
You want my source? For a belief?

If you had shot and killed an unarmed man after some confrontation and three witnesses told the police you shot them execution style, you doubt you'd be arrested? That the police would let you go about your business pending a Grand Jury's finding? That police can't arrest anyone unless and until a Grand Jury returns an indictment? Please tell me you don't actually believe that. This has got to be a "talking point." Yes?

:rolleyes:
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I'm looking for a source for this:

"Last September in Charlotte NC in a very similar case, a cop fired twelve shots, killing an unarmed man running towards him, the officer was arrested within 48 hours....[In Ferguson] the officer killed an unarmed man and witnesses alleged it was done execution-style."

That's all.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
I'm looking for a source for this:

"Last September in Charlotte NC in a very similar case, a cop fired twelve shots, killing an unarmed man running towards him, the officer was arrested within 48 hours....[In Ferguson] the officer killed an unarmed man and witnesses alleged it was done execution-style."

That's all.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mari-fagel/jonathan-ferrell-attorney_b_4676681.html

There was a lot more evidence in that case, including a damning video.

This allowed charges to be filed and an arrest to be made the next day.

It's not too similar, either. There were two other cops there.
 
newyorkguy said:
You're twisting the meaning of my words by taking them out of context. Here's what you left out



If Wilson wasn't a police officer does anybody really believe he would not have already been arrested?
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A key difference is that the Ferrell shooting was recorded by a dash cam, & it was clear to other cops watching the vid that Ferrell wasn't a threat.
 
I have sick feeling the MUcclough's "Nothing Will Really happen until October" has thrown fuel on the fire.
 
newyorkguy said:
The irony is here, people in this thread have said that some of the eyewitnesses -- or people who claimed to be eyewitnesses -- were probably influenced by other statements. That witnesses have changed their accounts to fit new evidence. Yeah, quite possibly true.

To people who want to see justice done, it is equally suspicious that we're twelve days into this and still the Ferguson PD has not released any kind of statement explaining what the officer's account is or what they think happened. That is normally what police departments do, in my experience, usually within 24-48 hours.

Some people suspect what they might be doing is, they're waiting to see what evidence turns up before releasing the "official version."
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And other people suspect that the reason they are waiting is that they are worried that certain announcements might result in violence and they want the community to calm down before making the announcements.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Wasn't the investigation taken away from FPD almost immediately and turned over to SLCPD?
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In your news link it said Ferguson requested St. Louis County takeover the investigation. Why would that stop Ferguson from issuing a statement?
LTC8K6 said:
On the 10th, it was the SLCPD Chief who issued the account of what happened. Link
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This is from your link.

Belmar said the incident started when Brown physically assaulted the police officer, pushing him into the officer's vehicle. He said there was a struggle inside the car, and at some point Brown reached for the officer's weapon. One shot was fired inside the vehicle. Brown suffered fatal gunshot wounds outside of the vehicle, approximately 35 feet from the car...He did not say what led to the struggle inside the officer's car.
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This is what people want to know. How do we get from inside the car to thirty-five feet away?

Belmar said multiple shell casings were found at the scene, and that Brown was shot more than once, but an exact number of shots fired has not yet been determined. All the shell casings came from the officer's weapon. Belmar confirmed Brown was unarmed at the time of the shooting.
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An officer killed an unarmed person and twenty-four hours later the police don't even know how many times the officer fired? They have no idea? Did they ask him? The fact is, when the police respond like this then some people, many people actually, think it looks like a coverup might be underway.
 
lobosrul said:
If only FPD had dashboard/lapel cameras it might be very clear that Wilson did nothing wrong... or not.
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Yep. It seems there was a big push to get police departments military surplus, there should be a push to get PDs body cams.
 
marplots said:
It's not rocket science. Other countries seem to manage it. There are Limeys here, we should ask them what they think of that video and how their officers handle a bit of fisticuffs.
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That beating was the rangers fault because he doesn't know how to handle a "bit of fisticuffs"?
 
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