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Michael Brown Shooting

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GWCarver said:
But "thief" and "thug" aren't even close in meaning, and calling Brown a thief simply wouldn't accurately describe his actions in the convenience store. I think the left is just on a constant lookout for new and creative ways to call people like me racists, and changing the meaning of words on the fly is just one of those ways. Like, "Oh, you use THAT word. Well, we know what THAT means."
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There is a social justice warrior feel to many of these posts. But there are lots of words and terms that can be used instead, I'll run through the dictionary if I have to. No sweat.
 
William Parcher said:
I expressed observant speculation. White tee shirts show blood really well. Even seeping blood will cause observable staining because of the extreme contrast with blood red against snow white. The photo does not appear to be overexposed either and that matters too.
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A low-res photo with bad compression artifacts. The quality is too poor to draw any conclusions.

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William Parcher said:
Right and what looks like a river of blood might instead be Mogen David wine leaking from a broken bottle underneath Brown.

We just can't speculate anything here. :rolleyes:
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We can also tell it's daylight and that there's a tree nearby.

Oh but wait... when I said "I don't think you can tell anything from that photo" it was in the specific context of discussing gunshot wounds.

-100 internet points for you.
 
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Monketey Ghost said:
There is a social justice warrior feel to many of these posts. But there are lots of words and terms that can be used instead, I'll run through the dictionary if I have to. No sweat.
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Yeah, but then they'll say that you're really meaning to say "thug", which is really meaning to say "n*****"

It's racial epithets all the way down...
 
johnny karate said:
It's a low-res photo taken from a distance. Furthermore, you notions of blood stain patterns resulting from gunshot wounds seems to have been influenced by Hollywood.

Your "observant speculation" has been noted and given its due consideration.
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I've seen hundreds of professional forensic and civilian photos and videos of dead people. I know about Hollywood and what it does.

Are you speculating that he could have been shot in the back? Do you like speculating?
 
William Parcher said:
Well we don't know that Johnson saw anything during the shooting. He could have been running away full speed to avoid being arrested for robbery.
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But we know he was there. Unlike Wilson's friend.

I seem to recall there being variations in eyewitness stories.
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I look forward to the detailed analysis which you will surely offer in support of this claim.
 
Johnson made a few claims that can be dis-proven, thereby negating his whole testimony.

For one, the cop is bruised, meaning that Brown did more than just suffer a neck grab like Johnson said. He was probably holding the door shut on the officer's head.

Do we really think the officer pulled up so close to them that he could not open his door without hitting them, (bad form for a cop) like Johnson says, or was he several feet away, ( good form for a cop) getting out of the car, when Brown slammed it on him?

If there are no entry wounds to the back, all those witnesses that claim he was shot in the back are lying too, Johnson included. Dump there testimony.

Hmm, I wonder if skinned knees would mean Brown was charging forward when he went down? Vs stationary, hands up, would crumple straight down? The body position seems consistent with a charge, head towards the cop car.

The location of the spent shells can tell pretty good where the officer was when he fired. If there was one that indicated the cop had advance, then retreated while still firing, that might mean he was being charged by a wounded bull.

So it seems to me there is potential evidence to mean we can not trust the "eye witnesses".

Likewise, the same evidence can corroborate stories- including the officer's.
 
William Parcher said:
I've seen hundreds of professional forensic and civilian photos and videos of dead people. I know about Hollywood and what it does.

Are you speculating that he could have been shot in the back? Do you like speculating?
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I am? Please quote the post in which I made such a speculation.
 
William Parcher said:
There is an important possible relevancy. Wilson's friend may have gotten his story as it was told to him by Wilson. Therefore it is essentially a leak (preview) of what Wilson's actual testimony will be.
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What you are describing is called "hearsay". Not relevant.
 
johnny karate said:
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Oh but wait... when I said "I don't think you can tell anything from that photo" it was in the specific context of discussing gunshot wounds.
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Don't feel bad. When I said yesterday that I thought it was hard to draw conclusions based just on the news photo I was told I was using "truther logic."

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GWCarver said:
But "thief" and "thug" aren't even close in meaning, and calling Brown a thief simply wouldn't accurately describe his actions in the convenience store. I think the left is just on a constant lookout for new and creative ways to call people like me racists, and changing the meaning of words on the fly is just one of those ways. Like, "Oh, you use THAT word. Well, we know what THAT means."
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How about " violent felon "?

That seems pretty accurate based upon the video.
 
Appaprently the riot gear is coming out again....and you can't blame the cops after last night.
To be fair, some protesteors were trying to stop the rioters, but good luck with that.

I am really, really afraid that the extremists on both sides are taking over the agenda here.

And some people just will not give up the "Brown was a total innocent" line of reasoning.

And yes, I think to maintain that Brown was not the individual in the Quik Stop footage is rapidly approaching the level of the 9/11 truthers in reality denial.
 
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jimbob said:
I thought the doctrine was to do CPR if no detectable heartbeat until told otherwise by paramedics?
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If the police believed Mr. Brown was clearly dead , allowing someone to disturb the crime scene would currently be providing both sides with excuses to discount whichever portions of the forensic report they don't wish to believe.
 
dudalb said:
Appaprently the riot gear is coming out again....and you can't blame the cops after last night.
To be fair, some protesteors were trying to stop the rioters, but good luck with that.

I am really, really afraid that the extremists on both sides are taking over the agenda here.

And some people just will not give up the "Brown was a total innocent" line of reasoning.

And yes, I think to maintain that Brown was not the individual in the Quik Stop footage is rapidly approaching the level of the 9/11 truthers in reality denial.
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Is riot gear somehow inappropriate when dealing with a riot?
 
johnny karate said:
I look forward to the detailed analysis which you will surely offer in support of this claim.
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I don't relish slogging through all the posts but I seem to recall reading eyewitness stories like...

He was shot in the back while running away.

He was shot while surrendering with his arms up (and kneeling).

He was shot in the head and dropped to the pavement afterwards Wilson started shooting him in the back.

There may be other variations and I could be wrong about these that I seem to recall.
 
johnny karate said:
I am? Please quote the post in which I made such a speculation.
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At the minimum you speculate that you can't tell anything from the photo. You also speculate that Johnson was watching which is more than just being there. You speculate that Johnson's story is better than Wilson's friend but you don't really know that. Wilson's friend might have the truly accurate account but you can only speculate otherwise because you don't know.

Hearsay is not a guarantee of inaccuracy.
 
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