Continuation Part 10: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[anglolawyer]

Agreed CJ. Balding's analysis says nothing about contamination issues. He starts where Stef stops and assumes the data she provides as a given. He does, however, claim that Raffaele's profile is among those Stefanoni claims she found on the clasp which, I think, distinguishes him from C-V.

 

[Grinder]

So you do you think somebody (Maresca?) missed a chance to batten onto this and launch some questions asking why he didn't say what you think he should have said? Of course, that was not possible since he was not on the stand, just making a statement to the court, but I could see that happening if he has been. So, I am kind of in agreement but I still think it's a small point. Just an infelicitous (and inadvertently prescient) use of language.

It's a tiny point. Not even a point only a comment that it was odd. The only statement analysis going on here between the lines is what my comment meant.

You didn't know me so how could you say I was with Amanda...huh?

I don't know Tesla but if I saw him crying at the Bertha pit and later testified to that fact I don't his denial would be 'you don't me so how could you say you saw me a the pit with Bertha'

I will admit that before the most recent rumors/exaggerations about separation I didn't notice it as being odd.

Anyway connecting Rudi seeing him at the cottage with knowing him before hand makes no logical sense.

 

[Grinder]

I don't see in the transcript what the article claims he said.

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/...Guede-Zaccaro-Llic-Chiacchiera-Napolleani.pdf

Thanks for providing this as I asked before for it. Originally the article was put forward as definitive about the letter.

Thanks again.

 

[lonepinealex]

It's a tiny point. Not even a point only a comment that it was odd. The only statement analysis going on here between the lines is what my comment meant.

You didn't know me so how could you say I was with Amanda...huh?

I don't know Tesla but if I saw him crying at the Bertha pit and later testified to that fact I don't his denial would be 'you don't me so how could you say you saw me a the pit with Bertha'

I will admit that before the most recent rumors/exaggerations about separation I didn't notice it as being odd.

Anyway connecting Rudi seeing him at the cottage with knowing him before hand makes no logical sense.

I do know what you mean, but I also think it is a post-hoc thing in the wake of Raffaele's appeal.

I'd be interested to see the original Italian (and then have a translator tell me what it means, because I don't speak Italian, obv).

 

[anglolawyer]

It's a tiny point. Not even a point only a comment that it was odd. The only statement analysis going on here between the lines is what my comment meant.

You didn't know me so how could you say I was with Amanda...huh?
snip

Just highlighting this because it puts me in mind of one of the things I dislike about the way things seem to work inside Raffaele's head, probably more his lawyers' fault, if anybody's, than his own. Generally, I only want witnesses to say what they know, not come forth with arguments and killer questions like this. That's the lawyer's job and, to me, it just makes a bad impression. But the culture in Italy seems to be very different. It's not enough to merely deny something, you have to embroider the denial with a some kind of speculation or set up a logical conundrum too.

 

[acbytesla]

It's a tiny point. Not even a point only a comment that it was odd. The only statement analysis going on here between the lines is what my comment meant.

You didn't know me so how could you say I was with Amanda...huh?

I don't know Tesla but if I saw him crying at the Bertha pit and later testified to that fact I don't his denial would be 'you don't me so how could you say you saw me a the pit with Bertha'

I will admit that before the most recent rumors/exaggerations about separation I didn't notice it as being odd.

Anyway connecting Rudi seeing him at the cottage with knowing him before hand makes no logical sense.

First let me clarify. Grinder has never seen me ...even fleetingly. So I don't know how he could have seen me with Bertha.

I have also never cried about Bertha. She and I were only friends. Our relationship was never that intimate...but I do wish her well.

 

[Bill Williams]

Just highlighting this because it puts me in mind of one of the things I dislike about the way things seem to work inside Raffaele's head, probably more his lawyers' fault, if anybody's, than his own. Generally, I only want witnesses to say what they know, not come forth with arguments and killer questions like this. That's the lawyer's job and, to me, it just makes a bad impression. But the culture in Italy seems to be very different. It's not enough to merely deny something, you have to embroider the denial with a some kind of speculation or set up a logical conundrum too.

You're always criticizing Machiavelli's hobbies.

 

[Grinder]

I do know what you mean, but I also think it is a post-hoc thing in the wake of Raffaele's appeal.

I'd be interested to see the original Italian (and then have a translator tell me what it means, because I don't speak Italian, obv).

Agree and so would I.

Just highlighting this because it puts me in mind of one of the things I dislike about the way things seem to work inside Raffaele's head, probably more his lawyers' fault, if anybody's, than his own. Generally, I only want witnesses to say what they know, not come forth with arguments and killer questions like this. That's the lawyer's job and, to me, it just makes a bad impression. But the culture in Italy seems to be very different. It's not enough to merely deny something, you have to embroider the denial with a some kind of speculation or set up a logical conundrum too.

As you know I believe that the motivations are written in way that they can be used for an opera. It could easily be an Italianism but for the rest of the world...odd.

Now had Raf said something like: Rudi would never have picked me out of a line up or described me had he not seen my picture in the paper. He certainly didn't describe me in his Skype call because I'm not left handed. He couldn't because I wasn't there that night nor have I ever met him before right now.

First let me clarify. Grinder has never seen me ...even fleetingly. So I don't know how he could have seen me with Bertha.

I have also never cried about Bertha. She and I were only friends. Our relationship was never that intimate...but I do wish her well.

Really? It is sad to see you at the pit weeping and looking to the heavens.

Now if you really had never been at the pit that's what you would say.

 

[acbytesla]

Really? It is sad to see you at the pit weeping and looking to the heavens.

Now if you really had never been at the pit that's what you would say.

Wouldn't I be looking into the Pit of Despair? (That's a Princess Bride Reference in case you didn't know) FYI: I've been in that pit and the engineers are very confident that they can address the issue and Bertha can finish the job. Bertha is going to put on some weight though. About a 100 tons.

 

[Desert Fox]

I have looked into the parallels between this case and that of Anna Larina & Bukharin.The similarities are startling - the main difference is that this is a much bigger deal.

Thus I have not posted on the issue so as not to attract the ire of the groupies by appearing to trivialize or play down the suffering of Britney by such a comparison.

Was I wrong ??

Err, what

 

[Desert Fox]

Desert Fox,

I'd rather throw Follain against the wall. It has many distortions and falsehoods, but the book does give some insight into Mignini's and Comodi's thinking. Consider the incident that Bill Williams relayed: PM Mignini prevented A and R from talking with lawyers until minutes before a hearing that would put them into custody for nearly a year in precautionary detention, and Follain spun it in Mignini's favor.

I just don't like the idea of giving him money to read potential garbage.
Kind of like giving a creationist money for his book as well.
As well, when you read garbage sentence after sentence, it gets pretty hard to deal with. I have done that with other books.

 

[acbytesla]

I have looked into the parallels between this case and that of Anna Larina & Bukharin.
The similarities are startling - the main difference is that this is a much bigger deal.

Thus I have not posted on the issue so as not to attract the ire of the groupies by appearing to trivialize or play down the suffering of Britney by such a comparison.

Was I wrong ??

Platonov? I had never heard of these two...so I Googled them and read a little. What possible parallels do you see between the two?

Anna Larina & Bukharin were married revolutionaries that went to prison under Stalin. Bukharin died in prison and Anna was released after 20 years in the Gulags.

What possible parallels do you see.?? Since I can't seem to draw a one. Am I missing something??

 

[Samson]

I have looked into the parallels between this case and that of Anna Larina & Bukharin.
The similarities are startling - the main difference is that this is a much bigger deal.

Thus I have not posted on the issue so as not to attract the ire of the groupies by appearing to trivialize or play down the suffering of Britney by such a comparison.

Was I wrong ??

platonov, this is a proper question.

From wiki

but the word is also used in a more general sense, especially in casual conversation, to mean a particular kind of female fan assumed to be more interested in relationships with rockstars than in their music

Has Amanda learned another chord yet?
Do you assume all posters here are female?

 

[carbonjam72]

Boris and Natasha send their regards...

Platonov? I had never heard of these two...so I Googled them and read a little. What possible parallels do you see between the two?

Anna Larina & Bukharin were married revolutionaries that went to prison under Stalin. Bukharin died in prison and Anna was released after 20 years in the Gulags.

What possible parallels do you see.?? Since I can't seem to draw a one. Am I missing something??

I think its a snarky sarcastic reference to the 'Innocenti' view that Amanda and Raf have been victimized by a corrupt Italian prosecutor, with assistance and support from corrupt elements within the Italian judiciary.

Senior Platanovsky is making an exaggerated comparison to a horrifically corrupt totalitarian regime in the early days of the Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin, by comparing it to the Innocenti's view of corruption in Italy in the case against Amanda and Raf.

The reader is supposed to see the inherent foolishness of such an exaggeration, and conclude the case against Amanda and Raf is true and just, because Italy is not the Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin.

But only Dr Platanovskaya can confirm this interpretation of his apparent and purported intentional 'comparativilization' initiative.

(Admittedly, the reference to "Britney" remains inscrutable).

 

[acbytesla]

I think its a snarky sarcastic reference to the 'Innocenti' view that Amanda and Raf have been victimized by a corrupt Italian prosecutor, with assistance and support from corrupt elements within the Italian judiciary.

Senior Platanovsky is making an exaggerated comparison to a horrifically corrupt totalitarian regime in the early days of the Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin, by comparing it to the Innocenti's view of corruption in Italy in the case against Amanda and Raf.

The reader is supposed to see the inherent foolishness of such an exaggeration, and conclude the case against Amanda and Raf is true and just, because Italy is not the Soviet Union under Lenin and Stalin.

But only Dr Platanovskaya can confirm this interpretation of his apparent and purported intentional 'comparativilization' initiative.

(Admittedly, the reference to "Britney" remains inscrutable).

I guess you have to be a lot deeper than me.

As much as I think Mignini et al are corrupt and crazy, I don't compare them to Hitler, or Stalin.

It's virtually impossible to see a crime that is remotely similar to the one that Amanda and Raffaele are accused. But it's also kind of hard to find a crime similar to Mignini's other big case (MOF) either.

To this day, I wonder if the guilters understand exactly what they are saying what happened. Do they get that Raffaele met Amanda only 8 days before the murder? Or that Amanda met Rudy 12 days before the murder and that Rudy was in Milan for 4 of those days? Do they understand that there is absolutely no known connection between these 4 people? That you don't join in a murder with two other strangers. That there is no evidence that Amanda was a coke head? Or a sex fiend? Or was desperate for money? Or that there really is no physical evidence?

I don't understand with the avalanche of evidence that suggests that Rudy did this alone, their need to believe that Amanda and Raffaele were involved.

 

[Desert Fox]

I Googled "Suffering of Britney" and got:

About 13,600,000 results (0.36 seconds)
Search Results

Britney Spears 'suffering with psoriasis' | Mail Online
Sep 19, 2012 - Britney Spears 'suffering with psoriasis' as star reveals scaly skin on her ... But the pressure on Britney Spears to perform as a judge on Simon ...

Britney Spears opens up about suffering from - Daily Mail
Dec 23, 2013 - She's one of the biggest pop stars on the planet but Britney Spears suffers from social anxiety, intense shyness, nerves, self-flagellation and ...

Britney Spears revealed to be suffering from ADHD but is ...
Jun 5, 2012 - X Factor judge Britney Spears' regular breaks during auditions due to suffering from ADHD. By Sara Nathan. Published: 11:51 EST, 5 June ...

Sources: Spears suffering from bipolar disorder - Today
Jan 7, 2008 - Two days after Britney Spears was removed from her home strapped to a gurney, she was sipping a mimosa and laughing hysterically in Palm ...

Britney Spears suffering 'mental problems' - Telegraph
Jan 29, 2008 - Britney Spears is suffering from “mental issues” and has sought help from a psychiatrist for problems that are “treatable”, according to her ...

Friends: Britney Suffers from 'Psychological Disease ...
Jan 6, 2008 - Britney Spears has "suffered from a psychological disease for years," says a source close to the singer. Two separate sources who are ...

Pop star Britney Spears suffering from psoriasis? - IBNLive
Britney, who is enjoying the spotlight after a very public breakdown, is reportedly suffering from psoriasis.

Britney Spears Suffers Wardrobe Malfunction Onstage ...
by Rebecca Macatee - Dec 31, 2013 - Britney Spears' Las Vegas shows are pretty wild, sure, but they don't usually contain any nudity. However, on Saturday, Dec. 28, a faulty zipper ...

Britney Spears is reportedly suffering with psoriasis | NovaFM
We all know that Britney Spears has had a tough time in the past, what with the breakdown and that. And let's face it, everyone was a tad concerned
about how ...

Former Disney Diva Britney Spears Suffering Pressure of ...
by Shane Jordan - Dec 31, 2013 - It is clear to anyone watching, that former Disney child star Britney Spears can sometimes begin to frazzle from the pressure of being in the

Any help?

 

[Desert Fox]

As much as I think Mignini et al are corrupt and crazy, I don't compare them to Hitler, or Stalin.

Being blunt, if this guy is at all accurate, I think I would prefer to be tried in Italy than Texas

http://www.skepticaljuror.com/

 

[Chris_Halkides]

one myth about false confessions

Davis and Leo wrote, "the published data indicate that most false confessions are given by mentally normal, not insane or cognitively impaired, adults (Drizin & Leo, 2004; Kassin & Gudjonsson, 2004; Leo & Ofshe, 1998). Indeed, some false confessors are mentally gifted, such as Derek Tice (of the Norfolk Four), whose IQ was estimated between 148 and 164 points (at or higher than that of Einstein)." link They also note that Christopher Ochoa was a high school honor student.

 

[acbytesla]

Being blunt, if this guy is at all accurate, I think I would prefer to be tried in Italy than Texas

http://www.skepticaljuror.com/

Well you certainly would prefer it for sure if it was a capital crime given they just love to execute people in Texas.

 

[platonov]

Rule 58-10 and all that.

I am intrigued. Can you develop your thoughts?

Much as I would like to, alas I can't.
The organs take a stern view of this kind of thing. AFA and all that.

You wouldn’t want comrade platonov to be 'drug' off to the gulag again would you