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Michael Brown Shooting

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LTC8K6 said:
Most likely, they were stopped because they look just like the robbers. They probably knew they were caught, and didn't want to go to jail. So then you get the fight with the cop. <snip>
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Okay, you think it's possible this was a justifiable shooting. I have a relative who is an NYPD detective and a member of a homicide squad for about eight years. They don't say justifiable, they'd call it a "good shooting." ETA - Just to clarify: they'd call it a good shooting if they thought it was justifiable. In this case that's a big "if."

It's not just powder burns. I don't know how the crime scene was processed but blood drops and the location of shell casings are usually incontrovertible evidence as to the procession of events.
 
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Yeah, we will know where the shots were fired from.

The case hinges on that now, I think.

If the shots are close range, then the officer's story makes sense, at least.

That would likely mean Brown ran away after being shot, and was not shot from a distance.

If there are shots fired from a distance, that would mean big trouble for the officer.
 
Mike! said:
BREAKING NEWS:
There's just been a police press conference, they've released the officers name, AND implicated Michael Brown in a strong arm robbery shortly before the shooting.

Closest link available: http://fox2now.com/2014/08/14/report-police-to-release-name-of-officer-who-shot-mike-brown-friday/
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/michael-brown-a-suspect-in-robbery-of-cigars-from-store/article_52c40b84-ad90-5f9a-973c-70d628d0be04.html

This is very upsetting. I was assured that Brown was an innocent, happy-go-lucky teenager, skipping down the sidewalk on his way back from the malt shop.

These articles paint a very different picture. :cool:
 
You know what's next? Why do guys Brown's age want cigars to begin with? To make blunts, dump out the tobacco and load them up with marijuana. So Brown and his confederate may well have been marijuana users.

One thing I wonder though is, the time between the shoplifting of the cigars and the confrontation with the police seems to have been fairly short. Did the police recover the cigars? I agree the assailant in the store video looked like the same man lying dead in the street in the news photo. But it could've been different people. The photos aren't conclusive.
 
Brown was clearly afflicted with Reefer Madness.

It's really interesting how much leeway the cops are getting in everything they say, after everything that has transpired over the week. Cops say he stole something? Okay, sure. Cops say maybe the guy was going for his gun (through the car window)? Whatever you say, officer!
 
It's Brown without a doubt. The reason this info seems "new" to people is that police have procedures about releasing information in an ongoing investigation. One of the many reasons why rioting or even "peacefully protesting" before the info has come out, are incredibly stupid.

The cop who shot him had been looking for he and his friend in particular, after the store owner called them about the strong armed robbery.

I heard this info days ago, but didn't mention anything because it was "unsubstantiated at that time" so I kept my mouth shut (see how that works?) but it was going through the grapevine. So too was the fact that the officer had serious facial injuries and was in the hospital thanks to Brown.

Why do you think the very store they stole from was burned to the ground and robbed blind in the riots? Most importantly, why do you think they spraypainted "Snitches get stitches" on the side of said store? The community knew the basic outline: Brown and his friend had stolen from the store, the store owner had the audacity to report this crime to authorities, and the rest was history.

Oh and obviously this isn't about "being executed for stealing cigars" this is about him being shot after he tried the same thing on the officer as he did the store owner: namely, using his large size and lack of morals as a way to avoid consequences - he beat the officer, tried to get his weapon, and likely would've murdered him had he succeeded.
 
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Unabogie said:
Apparently, the police just called him the "primary suspect". The incident apparently involved someone shoplifting cigars from a convenience store and then pushing his way out when payment was demanded. The pictures do not look, to me, like Michael Brown.
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LTC8K6 said:
I think it's clearly Big Mike Brown in the same clothes, but I've been wrong before.

Pull his pants up and you can see they are shorts, not trousers.

Johnson was with the strong arm robber, according to that report.
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They easily look like they could be the same guy to me.

 
newyorkguy said:
You know what's next? Why do guys Brown's age want cigars to begin with? To make blunts, dump out the tobacco and load them up with marijuana. So Brown and his confederate may well have been marijuana users.

One thing I wonder though is, the time between the shoplifting of the cigars and the confrontation with the police seems to have been fairly short. Did the police recover the cigars? I agree the assailant in the store video looked like the same man lying dead in the street in the news photo. But it could've been different people. The photos aren't conclusive.
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No, the next thing will be that Brown was on drugs at the time, following your logic.

I think the photos and the store witness testimony are conclusive.
I think they explain the confrontation with the officer, as well.

I think all that is left is to learn if the officer shot Brown at the car, or after Brown ran away.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Well, it could be for the struggle over a police officer's gun, not for stealing cigars.

We don't know yet.

It seems farfetched that Brown began his strongarm man career that day...
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Exactly. Did the "skeptics" who immediately proclaimed George Zimmerman guilty learn nothing? This case is very similar. As a real skeptic, I await all evidence, before making a decision. Just like TM, MB may not be the lovable little scamp he was made out to be.
 
newyorkguy said:
One thing I wonder though is, the time between the shoplifting of the cigars and the confrontation with the police seems to have been fairly short. Did the police recover the cigars? I agree the assailant in the store video looked like the same man lying dead in the street in the news photo. But it could've been different people. The photos aren't conclusive.
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I suspect your questions will be answered in the coming weeks and months. Unlike some "skeptics", I'm willing to wait.
 
Unabogie said:
More details here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michael-brown-suspect-robbery-ferguson-police-shooting

There's a picture of the person at the liquor store. Whoever this guy is, "robbery" is a pretty poor description of the incident. Some guy grabbed some cigars and then pushed the store owner when he demanded payment.

Notice the actual "robber" looks 50 pounds heavier than Brown and wearing shorts, not the pants that Brown was wearing when he was killed. He also seems to have a goatee in the pictures.
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He grabbed cigars and left without paying for them ... isn't that the definition of robbery ?

Spin spin spin .... how about waiting for some more facts before getting so offended.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
It's Brown without a doubt. The reason this info seems "new" to people is that police have procedures about releasing information in an ongoing investigation. One of the many reasons why rioting or even "peacefully protesting" before the info has come out, are incredibly stupid.

The cop who shot him had been looking for he and his friend in particular, after the store owner called them about the strong armed robbery.

I heard this info days ago, but didn't mention anything because it was "unsubstantiated at that time" so I kept my mouth shut (see how that works?) but it was going through the grapevine. So too was the fact that the officer had serious facial injuries and was in the hospital thanks to Brown.

Why do you think the very store they stole from was burned to the ground and robbed blind in the riots? Most importantly, why do you think they spraypainted "Snitches get stitches" on the side of said store? The community knew the basic outline: Brown and his friend had stolen from the store, the store owner had the audacity to report this crime to authorities, and the rest was history.

Oh and obviously this isn't about "being executed for stealing cigars" this is about him being shot after he tried the same thing on the officer as he did the store owner: namely, using his large size and lack of morals as a way to avoid consequences - he beat the officer, tried to get his weapon, and likely would've murdered him had he succeeded.
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I have a friend here in St Louis who is very "connected" with local police across many departments. She told me Monday that "stuff" will be coming out about Michael Brown and how "innocent" he was.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
I have a friend here in St Louis who is very "connected" with local police across many departments. She told me Monday that "stuff" will be coming out about Michael Brown and how "innocent" he was.
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You're really gullible to be falling for the police department's bait and switch.

If Brown had been suspected of setting an orphanage on fire 10 minutes prior, the status of the shooting does not change.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
I have a friend here in St Louis who is very "connected" with local police across many departments. She told me Monday that "stuff" will be coming out about Michael Brown and how "innocent" he was.
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Yea, in my opinion any person with a functioning brain and even the slightest control over their emotions and/or racial loyalties should have known from the start that the greatest likelihood was that if an officer shot someone, there was good reason for it.

Shooting someone dead is not treated lightly by police departments, and as a white officer... shooting a black suspect is the kind of thing which can bring down exactly this sort of nonsense on your head (though typically not this widespread or intense.)

In other words, very few cops (if any) are going to decide it's worth murdering someone and all that that will do to their life and career, because that person didn't get off the street and onto the sidewalk as promptly, or respond as respectfully, as the officer would've liked.

I think just about the entire media, who should've learned from their buffoonery on Trayvon, should be deeply ashamed on this case. Likewise for a vast number of posters on this forum and across the internet.

Who actually believes there are tons of racist white cops across the country just going around flat out murdering young black men for no reason? That's a fairy tale. I expect that sort of conspiracy theory stupidity from people who lived three houses down from Brown... to see it from educated posters online, is truly depressing.
 
William Parcher said:
The shoes and socks are distinctive and matching. The shirt and pants are the same. Brown was the store robber.
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Looks like it, also Dorian Johnson has some...additions...to his account. I can't follow everything said here, but apparently this occurred at the Ferguson Market, not the Quik Trip that was trashed.

The autopsy is supposed to be available sometime in the next three and a half weeks.
 
Johnson's eyewitness story is a fabrication and meant to be a distraction from the reality of what really happened.

"We had just robbed a store and then a cop pulled up to us in the street..." Words he never said.

Then we now know the cop probably didn't order them to stop walking in the street and instead confronted them as fitting the description of the robbers. When Johnson talked about what happened he was probably fearful that he might be charged in the robbery. Everything he said about the shooting must be discarded as baloney.
 
So... does this mean that all of the things the cops did during the protests can be ignored?
 
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