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Michael Brown Shooting

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Ranb said:
I was not aware that the gun nuts show up for every white guy that gets gunned down in the street by the police. Are you certain you don't know the answer to your own question?

I don't recall any gun nuts showing up for this guy. http://www.12newsnow.com/story/2294...f-duty-police-officer-still-hopes-for-justice

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I didn't see anywhere in that article where the local police absolutely went berserk like they have in Ferguson. Perhaps you can show me where it mentioned that.

Cleon said:
They don't show up for anyone who actually has to deal with state violence, which indicates that much of their talk about revolting against a tyrannical government is empty rhetoric.

If people like Ted Nugent actually believed the nonsense they spew on a daily basis, they'd be down there with their Kalashnikovs and AKs defending the people of Ferguson against a police riot.
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This.

Mister Earl said:
I think that might have also been his point. There's people who arm themselves and make themselves out to be defenders of freedom and liberty, but when the situation arises where they can actually fulfill that role, they are nowhere to be found.

Now supposedly the ol' Bundy ranch militia is on site, but nobody has seen them. I'm guessing they're hunkered down at a motel six twenty miles away, taking some staged pictures for publicity purposes, and staying out of trouble, or possible harm's way, and above all, conspicuously not defending freedom.
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Thanks. I suspect Ranb knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Cleon said:
Well, the specific dirt-bag I mentioned is on the Board of Directors of the NRA. If you don't want fruitcakes like him being held up as a poster-boy, I suggest you direct that complaint to Mr. LaPierre. I would heartily applaud, and I'd even reconsider my decision not to join the organization.
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And this. ^^^^
 
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GWCarver said:
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I will say that in the past when Al Sharpton has showed up like he has in Ferguson, it has been to persecute and vilify what have turned out to be innocent white people. That's just the way he rolls.
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:rolleyes:

Let's see the last few Sharpton causes I recall:

Eric Garner: petty criminal, death ruled a homicide - white police officer chokehold

Marlene Pinnock: mentally ill woman punched repeatedly in the face by white cop

Jordan Davis: killed by an irate white guy for playing his music too loud

Trayvon Martin: Regardless that Zimmerman got off, he's hardly "innocent". He still killed an innocent unarmed teenager.


So who else did you have in mind?
 
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dudalb said:
But you know what I REALLY hate about this situation?

It has made me be on the same side as Al Sharpton, an individual I have nothing but comtempt for.

But anyway,I have a feeling, no matter what the evidence,GWCarver will defend the police. Take up the Right Wing position no matter what the evidence. That is just the way he rolls.

And of course he does not comment on the Police's handling of the aftermath,because that would not fit in with a right wing agenda....
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You couldn't be more wrong about me defending the police "no matter what". I'm mainly interested in cases of injustice, and the police are not the good guys in most of them. The reason I didn't mention what the Ferguson police did in the "aftermath" is because it is irrelevant to the actual shooting, as is the rioting, IMO.

Kaosium, you are right about my use of the word theory, of course. I should have qualified the need for so much information as a personal preference.
 
Ranb said:
I was not aware that the gun nuts show up for every white guy that gets gunned down in the street by the police. Are you certain you don't know the answer to your own question?

I don't recall any gun nuts showing up for this guy. http://www.12newsnow.com/story/2294...f-duty-police-officer-still-hopes-for-justice

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Two men get in a physical altercation, one (an off duty cop) shoots and kills the other.

I fail to see the parallels to cops killing petty criminals using excessive force.
 
Ranb said:
Several dirt-bags make lots of noise, get their 15 minutes of fame and a few sound bytes on CNN. All of a sudden they're supposed to be the poster boys/girls for the gun culture in the USA. That otherwise rational people would promote this kind of trash says lots about the prejudice and bias on this forum.

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Several dirt-bags?

Oh my! Does that refer to every open-carry fanatic?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Several dirt-bags?

Oh my! Does that refer to every open-carry fanatic?
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Hmmm, what do you call someone that takes the obnoxious behavior of a small minority and uses it to make offensive generalizations about millions of people?
 
Giz said:
Hmmm, what do you call someone that takes the obnoxious behavior of a small minority and uses it to make offensive generalizations about millions of people?
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"Small minority" ≠ "few", nor would I characterize the number of radicalized gun owners in this country as a "small" minority. Minority, sure, undoubtedly. But hardly "small" and definitely more than a "few".
 
Giz said:
Hmmm, what do you call someone that takes the obnoxious behavior of a small minority and uses it to make offensive generalizations about millions of people?
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Someone who is behaving normally for Internet Political Forums,sadly.
 
Captian Ron Johnson, who is now in charge of Law Enforcement ,is Black.
That is going to send some people into pure hysteria......
 
Lithrael said:
I think they were specifically referring to the April 12 2014 Cliven Bundy armed fanboy protest thing and then the rest was general venting.

"Feds want to remove old white guy's cattle from federal land? Sound the alarm!"

Better?
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Okay. So there was a group of sovereign citizen / militia movement weirdos who staged some armed protests in support of Bundy over 20 years ago. And somehow this makes second amendment advocates in general (the vast majority of whom had nothing to do with it) inconsistent for not taking up arms and heading for Ferguson?


Primus said:
What sort of armed fightback against a tyrannical government wouldn't involve shooting cops and soldiers?
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Who said it wouldn't?

I gather the crux of the second amendment is so gun owners can do this rather than 'you have a right to bear arms cause they're cool and go pew pew pew'
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Some people support it for that reason. And your point? Are you saying the government has become tyrannical to the point where an armed fightback is warranted? Or are you saying people who support the second amendment generally believe this to be the case and are wondering why they haven't stepped up? If the later, I'm quite sure you'd be incorrect. I'm confused as to why this would need pointing out.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
:rolleyes:

Let's see the last few Sharpton causes I recall:

Eric Garner: petty criminal, death ruled a homicide - white police officer chokehold

Marlene Pinnock: mentally ill woman punched repeatedly in the face by white cop

Jordan Davis: killed by an irate white guy for playing his music too loud

Trayvon Martin: Regardless that Zimmerman got off, he's hardly "innocent". He still killed an innocent unarmed teenager.


So who else did you have in mind?
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Try wiki-ing Sharpton. They have a pretty good list. Like the record store, owned a by a black church, who wanted to evict a black tenant. Sharpton gets involved, calls the new tenant "a white interloper" and one of his believers dumps gasoline into the store, and goes out in a blaze of glory. Taking 7 black employees with him. Your buddy Al apologized for the interloper remark.

I didn't get down to the black whore Tawana with the false rape allegations against the frat boys. Charges dropped. But she's currently in prison for murder.

Bernard Goetz, shot four muggers. Al screams racism, like four black men can't possible be muggers. State court and Fed court both held Goetz acted in self defense.

If you think Al is the black race's Knight in Shining armor, you don't know about Al.
 
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casebro said:
If you think Al is the black race's Knight in Shining armor, you don't know about Al.
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If he's been wrong a few times, does that automatically discount all the times he was right and did some good? Would he have to be absolutely perfect with zero mistakes in order to get credit for any good he's done?
 
ravdin said:
Top: Baghdad, Iraq. Bottom: Ferguson, MO.

https://twitter.com/theblogpirate/status/499784254080159745/photo/1
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Where do you think the Ferguson boys got their equipment?
Pictures from Ferguson make the police look more like an occupying force fighting jihadis in Iraq than law enforcement keeping order in their own community. They seem intent on acting with impunity and blocking scrutiny.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...-missouri-police-editorials-debates/14086807/

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Michelle McCaskill, media relations chief at the Defense Logistics Agency, confirms that the Ferguson Police Department is part of a federal program called 1033 that distributes hundreds of millions of dollars of surplus military equipment to civilian police forces across the United States. The materials range from small items, such as pistols and automatic rifles, to heavy armored vehicles such as the MRAPs used in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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So it is not a surprise that police officers often seem prepared for war. In Ferguson, that change is most dramatically revealed in the images of camouflage-wearing police officers with assault rifles, body armor and multiple extra magazines facing unarmed protesters with their hands preemptively raised in the air.

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If there's one thing a community in turmoil does not need is for anyone to turn up the heat as protesters and police face off and tempers simmer. But before a local police officer fired his first shot at the unarmed teen, the U.S. military helped make sure there was plenty of fuel to bring things to a boil.
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From http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...michael-brown-militarization-column/14006383/ (bolding mine)
 
dudalb said:
LaPierre is the main reason I am no longer an NRA member, though a strong supporter of the right to own a gun and responsbily use it.
He is a nutcase, a Conspiracy crackpot,and ,frankly, has established a cult of personality within the NRA and runs it like a personal fiefdom.

He is a horrible spokeman for the rights of gun owners.
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^^^ This.
Absolutely drove me away.
 
[url="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/08/police_in_ferguson_military_weapons_threaten_protesters.html']Jamelle Bouie (Slate) says:[/url]

The fact that police are eager to use their new weapons and vehicles isn’t a surprise. As the New York Times notes, “The ubiquity of SWAT teams has changed not only the way officers look, but also the way departments view themselves. Recruiting videos feature clips of officers storming into homes with smoke grenades and firing automatic weapons.” Put simply, when you give anyone toys, you have to expect they’ll play with them.

That is how we get images like the ones in Ferguson, where police officers brandish heavy weapons and act as an occupying force. We should expect as much when we give police departments military weapons. Already—when it comes to predominantly black and brown communities—there’s a long-standing culture of aggressive, punitive policing. Add assault weapons and armored vehicles, and you have a recipe for the repressive, violent reactions that we see in Ferguson, and that are likely inevitable in countless other poor American neighborhoods.
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All this, and not many words about the looting and violence that prompted a part of the over-reaction by the police...

These have not actually been very "peaceful" protests. Plenty of blame to go around.

And for all you who are pissed that the officer's name has not been released--how long do you think his home and property would remain undamaged were they to release it under the current environment?
 
Contra the above post, this new police chief has accomplished more in one hour than those savages who disgraced their badges did in four days using LRADs, tear gas, and riot gear. How'd he do it? It's a novel concept called "treating people with respect".

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art...m_Another_Night_of_Protest_in_Ferguson#rss-sm

The images are truly uplifting. It's giant repudiation of the good ol' boys and their utter failure to do anything but make a horrible situation worse. I'd bet those cops are going to be really bitter that they never got their chance to clean up the "vermin".
 
Meanwhile, the right wing is as disgusting as you'd guess they'd be.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art...upremacist_Site_to_Smear_Michael_Brown#rss-sm

n yet another mind-bogglingly stupid, hateful post, Jim Hoft, the Dumbest Man on the Internet, is attempting character assassination on the black teenager gunned down by police in Ferguson, Michael Brown, by posting images of what he thinks are “gang signs:” BREAKING: Michael Brown Was a GANGSTER - Seen Flashing “BLOODS” Gang Signs | the Gateway Pundit

Hoft is linking to a site named “topconservativenews . com,” which sounds pretty innocuous, right?

Except when you realize this is the website of the KKK-linked, openly white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens.

That’s right, folks. To smear a black teenager who had was shot and killed by police while doing nothing wrong, Jim Hoft is linking to a white supremacist site.
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