Future of the Forum

[ctamblyn]

Not sure I follow--Why should icerat have any access to, or control over, my personal info? He's just some guy heading up a new forum. I gave my info to the JREF. They have no business giving, selling, or transferring it to anyone. I hope I haven't misplaced my trust.

My understanding from following idoubtit's thread is that the "icerat plan" would be completely opt-in. If you don't explicitly allow JREF to transfer your personal info (real name, email and state) over to the new forum, it won't be transferred.

That said, nothing is finalised yet. We'll find out what the actual proposal is some time after Wednesday, August 13, at 12 noon Eastern time U.S.

ETA: ninja'ed due to my very slow typing.

 

[Darat]

Is a bot going to PM us here, giving us the choice the not transfer our info?

I think the transfer of personal info should be opt-out by default and opt-in by choice.

whether it will be by PM or another communication is not determined yet. But your real name, country and state if in the USA will not leave the control of the JREF until you allow it. What the JREF decides to do with that data once the new place is up and running is up to them.

 

[gentlehorse]

Icerat will have no control over your personal information until you decide you want to join the new place. He will not control the transfer you will, it's your decision.

Thank you for this info, Darat.

If the JREF agrees with icerat's plan there will be an interim period in which the current forum is transfered to hardware under control of icerat but with the forum still owned by the JREF. This is what has happened many times in the past whenever a new hosting service has been chosen. Think of the interim period as being the forum moving to Rackspace as a new host. (edits made)

Judging by what I've seen in this thread, the JREF could do better than turning the forum over to icerat. Mais c'est la vie--

 

[Totovader]

Without the posts there would be nothing really to transfer. Again if icerat's plan is chosen by the JREF there will not be a transfer of the licence the JREF has to use the content members provided. However the JREF will supply under the terms of their licence a copy of the forum up to the change over date. Posts and so on on the new forum will fall under whatever TOS will apply there - what that TOS will be is not decided and we will be soliciting feedback from members here before it is finalised.

Maybe I'm slicing hairs, but it seems to me that if I made those posts under the TOS assigning a TOS from a different entity doesn't have anything to do with the posts I made under the old TOS. It's not like the TOS is being updated, it's being changed to a new entity... right?

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Judging by what I've seen in this thread, the JREF could do better than turning the forum over to icerat. Mais c'est la vie--

I think many agree.
But.
You need to remember that it wasn't icerat who suggested this.
It appears the JREF put the hammer down and people are scrambling.
Call me an optimist but I think it will work out....in the longterm.
regardless it is what we got.

 

[gentlehorse]

whether it will be by PM or another communication is not determined yet. But your real name, country and state if in the USA will not leave the control of the JREF until you allow it. What the JREF decides to do with that data once the new place is up and running is up to them.

Thanks for the info.

By the way, I've disagreed with a lot of your decisions over the years, but I remember our earliest conversations, those that took place before the first moderator slithered out of the primordial slime, with fondness. I hate to see this place go. I want to thank you for the time and effort you put in as you fought to keep the Forum open.

 

[Michel H]

I think many agree.
But.
You need to remember that it wasn't icerat who suggested this.
It appears the JREF put the hammer down and people are scrambling.
Call me an optimist but I think it will work out....in the longterm.
regardless it is what we got.

I think it has to be admitted JREF's reasons for wanting to transfer the forum still seem somewhat obscure at this point.

 

[icerat]

If the JREF agrees with icerat's plan there will be an interim period in which the current forum is transfered to hardware under control of icerat but with the forum still owned by the JREF.

Not quite. The hardware will be new hardware still under the control of JREF. I, and a bunch of smart people from here who have offered their services, will have access to that hardware for the purpose of making a transition fast and as seemless as possible, but we will not have access to the current database. That will remain Darat's and the other admins realm. If it's determined that I or one of the other volunteers need access to help facilitate the transfer, they'll be legally bound by the same terms of access as Darat and his team.

 

[gentlehorse]

I think many agree.
But.
You need to remember that it wasn't icerat who suggested this.
It appears the JREF put the hammer down and people are scrambling.
Call me an optimist but I think it will work out....in the longterm.
regardless it is what we got.

No ****, Sherlock.

 

[xterra]

I think it has to be admitted JREF's reasons for wanting to transfer the forum still seem somewhat obscure at this point.

Do the reasons now matter? JREF wants to divest itself of the forum, and will do so.

The question before the forumites is whether we (individually or collectively) want the forum to continue.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

Thanks for the info.

By the way, I've disagreed with a lot of your decisions over the years, but I remember our earliest conversations, those that took place before the first moderator slithered out of the primordial slime, with fondness. I hate to see this place go. I want to thank you for the time and effort you put in as you fought to keep the Forum open.

Beyond all the other issues......
Which many of I could/can deal with...
I don't wanna see the present team 'not there'.
After everything that has gone on some may not chose to follow.
But if it ever came down to them not being offered the same position...
well that is the one thing that would make me leave.

 

[iiwo]

Not exactly. Since I have my Admin powers back, I can search for people by their real name. As long as you know your name, I can set things to right. It does help if your real name is more unusual than John Smith.

By this I assume you don't have to sort ten pages of results to find me...

 

[Michel H]

I think it has to be admitted JREF's reasons for wanting to transfer the forum still seem somewhat obscure at this point.

Do the reasons now matter? JREF wants to divest itself of the forum, and will do so.
...

Maybe it's a kind of "decision of the King", something like that

 

[Michel H]

I think this recent post of Darat is interesting, and relevant for this thread:

At the moment the plans are not finalised it could be that the JREF continues to manage /own the forum. If the plans that icerat has been developing and organising then the ownership some time down the line will transfer however that is not in the near future. We have already discussed ways to ensure your real name, country and state if in the USA will not transfer out of the JREF control unless you opt in to the new forum.

I suppose he meant:
"At the moment the plans are not finalised it could be that the JREF continues to manage /own the forum. If the plans that icerat has been developing and organising are accepted, then the ownership some time down the line will transfer however that is not in the near future. We have already discussed ways to ensure your real name, country and state if in the USA will not transfer out of the JREF control unless you opt in to the new forum."

 

[Meed]

Judging by what I've seen in this thread, the JREF could do better than turning the forum over to icerat.

If you have alternative suggestions why not share them?

 

[This is The End]

If you have an innovative idea for making a JREF Forum more streamlined and less sprawling in topics and content, for example, that would be a worthwhile proposal.

The forum works just fine the way it is.

It does not need to be more "streamlined and less sprawling in topics and content". You can take your buzz words and send them back to corporationville.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

The forum works just fine the way it is.

It does not need to be more "streamlined and less sprawling in topics and content". You can take your buzz words and send them back to corporationville.

OTT - change is inevitable. Change doesn't necessarily mean good.
But it happens.
The forum is going to be moved and renamed.
Now is the time for suggestions.
I'd rather have things settled upfront then wait months or years after the fact.
Do you have any? And I don't mean to put you on the spot.... But suggestions please?

 

[This is The End]

Well, you have two means of verification: your existing login credentials (ID + password), and your email. If you can provide at least one of those after the move, your account can be reactivated. If you forget both of those you're stuffed even right now. I think genuine cases like that are going to be rare.

If you forget just your password and your sign-up email address, but remember your ID, perhaps emailing the admins and providing appropriate photo ID might be a way forwards? It's tricky. Again I suspect such cases would be rare (at least, genuine ones).

ETA: I need to give the above a bit more thought, it turns out.

As for banned persons attempting to return, I think we'll see a temporary increase in cases post-move. Some will be readily identifiable and re-banned pretty quickly (I vote against any "amnesty" for previously banned persons, BTW), some will eventually repeat the behaviour that got them banned before. I think we might have to live with that.

Relevant post.

 

[Belz...]

copyright rights

Is there an echo in here ?

 

[Belz...]

The It does not need to be more "streamlined and less sprawling in topics and content".

I also have no idea what that means. Aside from moving a few sections around, I don't see what structural changes can be made that would "streamline" the forum and make it "less sprawling" without deleting stuff.