Continuation Part Nine: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito

[acbytesla]

I tend to think the Comic Sans note really comes from the Perugian cops. In fact it perfectly expresses their Donald Duck approach to investigations.

Interestingly what the comic sans cops wrote is very different from what Mach et consortes tell you. It doesn't say or imply Amanda "attended a drug ring". It doesn't say she was supplied cocaine. It doesn't mention any phone contact with F (from the phone records it doesn't seem there was any).

Reading the comic sans note what I think happened is this:
The comic sans cops confiscated Amanda's diary and learned there was a F. who smoked and fooled around with Amanda during her stay in Florence some month before. Hence the "rapporti di tipo sessuale".

Comic cops go through Amanda's phone and find a number of some other F. who resides in Perugia. They routinely wiretap every phone number out of her phonebook and at some moment the poor F. guy who Amanda never even phoned contacts some known drug dealer and is busted.

IMO
It's not the same guy who Amanda met on a train.
There is no evidence Amanda ever phoned him because she never did.

The document comes from the cops. It's the same smear tactic as the "missing sweatshirt evidence", "harry potter evidence" and other lies.

Note what the fax says. I can't read Italian, but ask yourself what this means. Set aside that it is in this bizarre font, the lack of an address, phone, fax or email in the letter head. The rest of it is more than bizarre.

In the first line it says Agenti P.G. Sov Stefano _________ (last name is blanked out)out as well as Ass. ti Capo________ (Blank) Lorena(Blank) _______ Andrea.

Then it goes on to identify "Fedrico"..but again no last name, then it lists the only last name anywhere on the document and it capitalizes the last name just to make sure we haven't noticed. It says "Amanda KNOX" in full. Now why would they make sure that name is complete and emphasized and that last name alone?

Finally, it is signed and you can't read the names at all. Whoever wrote this was deliberate to make sure that no one was accountable for the content.

Was it meant to be an internal document? Doesn't look like it. I think it says that Federico lived in Roma and then in Perugia on VIA______ (Blank) and then the rest of that is blacked out.

So we have an article in an Italian crime magazine that gets it's hands on this copy of of this document, that supposedly comes for the Questura and every single name is fudged on it but Amanda KNOX. Absolutely nothing that could make it accountable. Since there are no last names, the only person it possibly defames is Amanda and no one actually owns up to the integrity of the content. How convenient

I'd bet a lot of money that this document is a total fake. Whether the writer for the Crime magazine faked it, so his story would get published. That is my bet. But I think he must have done it to cover not only for himself, but the self serving demonizing official at the Questura. You know if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. C'mon Machiavelli, come back and explain this. In the past, you have said that you are an Italian journalist. Did you write this story? After all, you were pushing it on this site countless times in the past. Anyone know the original byline of the original article in the Italian crime publication Giallo? I'd bet that it is Machiavelli.

 

[Vibio]

Who knows, maybe official Questura documents are sometimes written in Comic Sans, but it's just not something I've ever seen or would expect.

This is what such a document usually looks like in Italy:

http://giriamoilmondo.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/documento-acquisito.jpg

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[carbonjam72]

Mignini & Carlizzi, dancing with the devil under the moonlight

Nice observation. In fact, there are also citizens (Americans) who seem to believe Mignini put forward a ritualistic or Satanic scenario, counseld with psychic Carlizzi on the Narducci case, believe Preston delusion or think Spezi & C are innocent, that docters fabricated bogus HIV tests, that Italian media played by ahthorities disseminated lies against Knox in order to prejudice the trial, that Knox and Sollecits accounts had no contradictions, that Knox never attended a drug dealers ring, that Questura never writes documents in Comic SF, that Stefanoni lied and hid results, and that Conti and Vecchiotti are independent...

I believe most of the things you've written here, except I wasn't aware of the 'comic sans' controversy, and I'm not sure who "C" is referring to in connection with Spezi. (It's hard to believe you're suggesting Spezi is guilty of anything besides ridiculing Mignini and Guitarri on national TV for their farcical efforts in the MOF case).

Mignini is a challenging character. That he lies continually is not at issue. That he has maliciously and falsely vilified Amanda Knox, projecting onto her his own worst character defects - sadist, narcissist, becomes enraged when others disagree with him, oscillates between a world of fact and fantasy, etc - is also beyond dispute.

What is truly mystifying, is how a manifest madman like Mignini has been allowed to terrorize the Italian countryside with satanic fairy tales spun by the "psychic medium" Garbriella Carlizzi, on zero evidence and fueled only by his own, in the words of a florence prosecutor trying him for abuse of office, "delirium"? Not only has Mignini been allowed to pursue his wholly fictional theory of the "Narducci trail" ensnaring scores of innocent people in his lust for career advancement by entangling himself in the MOF case, but its a wonder he hasn't been locked up in an insane asylum where he truly belongs.

Mignini is a man at war with himself, projecting his inner turmoil outward and onto the world at large. No theory of conspiracy against him is too bizarre or outlandish, once he has committed himself to an investigation. Journalists, judges, prosecutors, police, suspects and witnesses - anyone who opposes his and Carlizzi's crazy satanic theories can only be doing so because they themselves are part of the very conspiracy he is seeking.

I do believe Mignini's mental instability would be a mitigating factor at his eventual sentencing, which I will estimate at four to five years hence. Nonetheless, I am confident that Giuliano Mignini deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison for what he did to Amanda Knox. He deliberately framed two innocent college students to salvage his imploding career. It was premeditated and a criminal assault under the 'color of law', and justice will not be served until Mignini is safely behind bars for the rest of his life.

The participation of the media in vilifying Knox, inventing a character "Foxy Knoxy" to sell their gutter 'news products', are despicable actions worthy of criminal prosecution as well. It's not a matter of freedom of the press, or free expression. It is a deliberate and criminal assault in the public's eye, intended to influence an active judicial process already widely acknowledge to be deeply flawed, and it should be recognized as such.

Who are you Machiavelli, and what's in it for you?

 

[Annella]

I can fill in some of the blanked names in the comic document, from a very good Perugian source. Lorena Zugarini, Stefano Gubbiotti, and Andrea Cardaioli. The first two, along with their ex boss and ex Chief of Homicide Monica Napoleoni, are to go to trial for abuse of office, vandalism and other charges after an incident reported in Perugia last year.
Im sure you all recall Zugarini and Gubbiotti were police officers involved in the Kercher murder case.

'Nuff said.

ETA: Machiavelli tweeted me when I had brought up the Comic Sans font and kindly sent me some links to other Italian Questura documents using that particular font. One of the links was to a 'font consultant'. A comment on one of them made me smile.

" I forgot, Comic Sans is normally pious, makes you laugh when used out of context ( almost always) and is sad when used in a Police report."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[bolint]

Who knows, maybe official Questura documents are sometimes written in Comic Sans, but it's just not something I've ever seen or would expect.--

But then why would a falsifier choose that font?

 

[bolint]

I can fill in some of the blanked names in the comic document, from a very good Perugian source. Lorena Zugarini, Stefano Gubbiotti, and Andrea Cardaioli.

I concluded the same names just from the names and titles of policemen who had appeared in the news and the lengths of the black sections.

 

[Samson]

I believe most of the things you've written here, except I wasn't aware of the 'comic sans' controversy, and I'm not sure who "C" is referring to in connection with Spezi. (It's hard to believe you're suggesting Spezi is guilty of anything besides ridiculing Mignini and Guitarri on national TV for their farcical efforts in the MOF case).

Mignini is a challenging character. That he lies continually is not at issue. That he has maliciously and falsely vilified Amanda Knox, projecting onto her his own worst character defects - sadist, narcissist, becomes enraged when others disagree with him, oscillates between a world of fact and fantasy, etc - is also beyond dispute.

What is truly mystifying, is how a manifest madman like Mignini has been allowed to terrorize the Italian countryside with satanic fairy tales spun by the "psychic medium" Garbriella Carlizzi, on zero evidence and fueled only by his own, in the words of a florence prosecutor trying him for abuse of office, "delirium"? Not only has Mignini been allowed to pursue his wholly fictional theory of the "Narducci trail" ensnaring scores of innocent people in his lust for career advancement by entangling himself in the MOF case, but its a wonder he hasn't been locked up in an insane asylum where he truly belongs.

Mignini is a man at war with himself, projecting his inner turmoil outward and onto the world at large. No theory of conspiracy against him is too bizarre or outlandish, once he has committed himself to an investigation. Journalists, judges, prosecutors, police, suspects and witnesses - anyone who opposes his and Carlizzi's crazy satanic theories can only be doing so because they themselves are part of the very conspiracy he is seeking.

I do believe Mignini's mental instability would be a mitigating factor at his eventual sentencing, which I will estimate at four to five years hence. Nonetheless, I am confident that Giuliano Mignini deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison for what he did to Amanda Knox. He deliberately framed two innocent college students to salvage his imploding career. It was premeditated and a criminal assault under the 'color of law', and justice will not be served until Mignini is safely behind bars for the rest of his life.

The participation of the media in vilifying Knox, inventing a character "Foxy Knoxy" to sell their gutter 'news products', are despicable actions worthy of criminal prosecution as well. It's not a matter of freedom of the press, or free expression. It is a deliberate and criminal assault in the public's eye, intended to influence an active judicial process already widely acknowledge to be deeply flawed, and it should be recognized as such.

Who are you Machiavelli, and what's in it for you?

At this stage of my analysis, I would agree with this to a degree verging on certainty. Only he of all the players could pull this off. He is apparently close socially with Massei. Life in jail would be lenient, and I tend to the liberal side on punishment.

 

[acbytesla]

Who knows, maybe official Questura documents are sometimes written in Comic Sans, but it's just not something I've ever seen or would expect.

This is what such a document usually looks like in Italy:

http://giriamoilmondo.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/documento-acquisito.jpg

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Note the huge difference Vibio. This is not in Comic Sans MS. It has an address, phone number and fax number and email address in the letterhead itself!

It has complete names and titles. The difference is day and night.

 

[acbytesla]

I can fill in some of the blanked names in the comic document, from a very good Perugian source. Lorena Zugarini, Stefano Gubbiotti, and Andrea Cardaioli. The first two, along with their ex boss and ex Chief of Homicide Monica Napoleoni, are to go to trial for abuse of office, vandalism and other charges after an incident reported in Perugia last year.
Im sure you all recall Zugarini and Gubbiotti were police officers involved in the Kercher murder case.

'Nuff said.

But that is what is brilliant about it Annella. You can fill in the blanks, but they are allowed total deniability. You are filling in the blanks, not them.

ETA: Machiavelli tweeted me when I had brought up the Comic Sans font and kindly sent me some links to other Italian Questura documents using that particular font. One of the links was to a 'font consultant'. A comment on one of them made me smile.

" I forgot, Comic Sans is normally pious, makes you laugh when used out of context ( almost always) and is sad when used in a Police report."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

But the problem with this document goes far beyond the choice of the font. It is the lack of phone, fax and email address in the letterhead as well as all the blanked out names and the specific emphasis of mentioning Amanda KNOX in full.

 

[Bill Williams]

Amanda 'attended a drug ring'? What does that even mean? Machiavelli, we know she took no hard drugs because they tested her hair and found no trace. That is the end of that canard. Just like negative TMB is the end of the luminol lie. Not that it would matter even if she did take hard drugs and/or have a promiscuous sex life. So what?

IMO
It's not the same guy who Amanda met on a train.
There is no evidence Amanda ever phoned him because she never did.

The document comes from the cops. It's the same smear tactic as the "missing sweatshirt evidence", "harry potter evidence" and other lies.Note what the fax says. I can't read Italian, but ask yourself what this means. Set aside that it is in this bizarre font, the lack of an address, phone, fax or email in the letter head. The rest of it is more than bizarre.

I'd bet a lot of money that this document is a total fake. Whether the writer for the Crime magazine faked it, so his story would get published. That is my bet. But I think he must have done it to cover not only for himself, but the self serving demonizing official at the Questura. You know if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. C'mon Machiavelli, come back and explain this. In the past, you have said that you are an Italian journalist. Did you write this story? After all, you were pushing it on this site countless times in the past. Anyone know the original byline of the original article in the Italian crime publication Giallo? I'd bet that it is Machiavelli.

Anglo's observation first. "Attended a drug ring - what does that even mean!?!?"

What guilters like the one using Machiavelli's account do is rely on conclusionary statements, while omitting the steps along the way which provide the proof.

As long as the conclusionary statement can be made and put on the record, and as long as it can be defended as, "consistent with the facts", then it can become part of a semi-osmotic proof of guilt; without the need for actual proof of the statement. As long as it draws a conclusion consistent with guilt, it can get chucked into "the record".

One should point out that these guilter conclusionary statements , non-proven but consistent with the confirmation bias be described as only part of a semi-osmotic construction**.... because of course, documents like the Massei report, the Nencini report, and like anyone who uses the Machiavelli account do....

.... they omit proven things... like (here) the fact that the Republic of Italy owned Amanda's body (and Raffaele's) for four years, and in fact did test for heavy drugs and found nothing. That never becomes part of the osmosis.

As katody notes, this is the same smear tactic, a strategy which remains unchanged - along with the garage video claims of a few weeks ago, the April Fools prank from Seattle in 2008, etc. etc., each one claimed to have been the bombastic exposé which solves the case in favour of the PGP confirmation bias....

** ETA - my head hurts when parsing guilter-talk....

 

[Annella]

But the problem with this document goes far beyond the choice of the font. It is the lack of phone, fax and email address in the letterhead as well as all the blanked out names and the specific emphasis of mentioning Amanda KNOX in full.

Oh agreed! I have actually asked guilters and the author of the Settimanale Giallo article precisely that. Until now, nobody has been able to provide an answer.

 

[RWVBWL]

Who knows, maybe official Questura documents are sometimes written in Comic Sans, but it's just not something I've ever seen or would expect.

This is what such a document usually looks like in Italy:

http://giriamoilmondo.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/documento-acquisito.jpg

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Hi Vibio,
Thanks for posting the jpeg,
here's an interesting comparison of both documents:

 

[acbytesla]

Oh agreed! I have actually asked guilters and the author of the Settimanale Giallo article precisely that. Until now, nobody has been able to provide an answer.

Who is the author of the Giallo article Annella? That is the key. If it was faxed to him, is there a fax number printed at the bottom or the top of the fax machine? Or was this emailed to him as an image document and it is missing that too?

These are the kinds of things that sing out, I'm a fake. Who is the author covering for? Mignini? himself? Giobbi? who?

 

[Bill Williams]

But the problem with this document goes far beyond the choice of the font. It is the lack of phone, fax and email address in the letterhead as well as all the blanked out names and the specific emphasis of mentioning Amanda KNOX in full.

Oh agreed! I have actually asked guilters and the author of the Settimanale Giallo article precisely that. Until now, nobody has been able to provide an answer.

So let's get this straight:

1) someone literally forges a document, and a clumsy one at that.

2) the tabloid media picks up on it, and it even makes The Telegraph in the U.K. as Stilicho links, in his drive-by posting....

3) the user of Machiavelli's account then concludes that Knox "attended a drug ring"?​

Got it.

 

[Annella]

Who is the author of the Giallo article Annella? That is the key. If it was faxed to him, is there a fax number printed at the bottom or the top of the fax machine? Or was this emailed to him as an image document and it is missing that too?

These are the kinds of things that sing out, I'm a fake. Who is the author covering for? Mignini? himself? Giobbi? who?

Albina Perri is the author, a she.

 

[acbytesla]

So let's get this straight:

1) someone literally forges a document, and a clumsy one at that.

2) the tabloid media picks up on it, and it even makes The Telegraph in the U.K. as Stilicho links, in his drive-by posting....

3) the user of Machiavelli's account then concludes that Knox "attended a drug ring"?​

Got it.

It sure looks like a forgery to me. The tabloid media doesn't really care Bill if it is a forgery. It gives them cover. It would be great if they did some followup on why and how this is a forgery and write a new article, but I don't expect them to do that. This is money in the bank to them.

Machiavelli doesn't care about this. He's been selling this story here for years. Only now it gets published? I really believe that Machiavelli is the source for this story somehow. I believe he created the fax. But I would expect him never to own up to it.

Either that or it is from his good friend Mignini, but he too is avoiding the story. He'll be the source for the story, but not an identified source.

 

[Vibio]

Machiavelli doesn't care about this. He's been selling this story here for years. Only now it gets published? I really believe that Machiavelli is the source for this story somehow. I believe he created the fax. But I would expect him never to own up to it.

Oh dear....well, we all have our own theories.

My theory: this funny business is obviously the work of the Sollecitos.

Is Raff involved? You bet.

And stay tuned: you haven't seen anything yet.

 

[Machiavelli]

Who knows, maybe official Questura documents are sometimes written in Comic Sans, but it's just not something I've ever seen or would expect.

This is what such a document usually looks like in Italy:

http://giriamoilmondo.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/documento-acquisito.jpg

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When the Ruby scandal came out, there was some journalist making jokes about the Questura because the clerk officer used Comic SF


http://www.mantellini.it/2010/10/31/consultare-le-font/



I think Comic is inappropriate as font, but you find it, used not just in police notes but sometimes even in legal documents by courts.

I recall also "Il Fatto Quotidiano" pointing out how our Minister of Public Administration, ms. Madia, issued her "letter" to the public amministration staff that was writtein in "Comic" font, and the letter was opened by the statement "let's be serious".
Madia also told that, as she was appointed minister, she was watching her favourite TV show, "The Peppa Pig". Amanda Knox is not the only discfunctional individual around after all.

 

[Vibio]

Thanks for clearing that up.

This country is usually so serious and staid in it's official documents, that I'm surprised that particular font would ever be used.

Even so: that document from the Questura of Perugia without address, phone numbers, timbro ecc.?

I find it odd.

 

[NancyS]

Comic Sans

This really is getting more and more ridiculous and inept - and I'm loving the PGP views on drugs, cannabis makes you violent, heroin makes you reliable and gives you super human memory and eyesight and now a negative drug test makes you a cocaine user and part of a drug ring. And to think that they also think it is a sensible decision that a possible semen stain found under the victim's pelvis, wasn't tested. And now Comic Sans - it's like an episode of Mr Bean