Merged Bigfoot follies

[AlaskaBushPilot]

What have I ever done to you or anyone here to deserve this?

BLAARGing on a skeptic site.

This is a breakthrough. Something we agree very much about: Teaching deception to the young is wrong.

But were this a subject like magic, you would acknowledge that it is deception and not be offended by anyone pointing it out. Or if you taught your kids to deceive a pedophile who has them cornered - nobody would criticize that.

But what you are acknowledging for us is that this kind of deception is very different. Harmful. So sure, you disagree that you have deceived anyone, but you agree that such deception is very wrong.

One of the most important features of a good manipulator is exactly what you point out: to always be "polite" when gaming people. Successful con men are the most charming people in the room. Being charming about how you deceive people is one of the most insidious aspects to the deception game. It's how you disarm people, like right now with playing the victim: "but I have been charming".

Yes, you have. But I'm still figuratively driving a wooden stake through the heart.

 

[Drewbot]

OK, get a crapload of Gorilla Doo, put it all in a bucket, and then take a dump in the bucket, so the DNA gets mixed with human DNA, then mix it up, add in some Mayo or eggs for sculpting it (Like a burger or meatloaf), and then shape it into a long poo.

 

[Correa Neto]

Yuck...

No thanks.

If I were a hoaxer, I would stick to faking sighting reports, footprints, "activity in general" and blurred pics.

 

[The Shrike]

Sidenote - having worked in a zoo for several years in my youth, it's not that unusual for people to ask for fecal matter from exotic animals. The big deal back in those days was lion poop: folks would line the outside of their gardens with it to keep rabbits out of their lettuce. I don't know if it actually worked, but it was some pretty pungent stuff.

We didn't have any great apes at my zoo, so I don't know if that stuff would otherwise be in demand.

 

[LTC8K6]

Apparently all you need is a horse to get bigfoot poop.

 

[EHocking]

Why? Are bigfoot scared of horses?

 

[Slowvehicle]

Why? Are bigfoot scared of horses?

 

[Northern Lights]

BLAARGing on a skeptic site.

This is a breakthrough. Something we agree very much about: Teaching deception to the young is wrong.

But were this a subject like magic, you would acknowledge that it is deception and not be offended by anyone pointing it out. Or if you taught your kids to deceive a pedophile who has them cornered - nobody would criticize that.

But what you are acknowledging for us is that this kind of deception is very different. Harmful. So sure, you disagree that you have deceived anyone, but you agree that such deception is very wrong.

One of the most important features of a good manipulator is exactly what you point out: to always be "polite" when gaming people. Successful con men are the most charming people in the room. Being charming about how you deceive people is one of the most insidious aspects to the deception game. It's how you disarm people, like right now with playing the victim: "but I have been charming".

Yes, you have. But I'm still figuratively driving a wooden stake through the heart.

I'm no longer upset over your previous comments and just want to say that I find it absolutely hysterical that you've over analyzed what I do to the point where you feel compelled to pigeon hole it into some type of fantasy roll playing scheme.

Your premise that sasquatch doesn't exist drives you down the rabbit hole trying to figure out what the heck is going on because in your mind, you can't conceive of rational people doing this so you've attached it to a concept. In that concept, I've become a master manipulator, the antagonist who's tales of the fantastic are evil and actually harmful, thus beware. You, the protagonist wielding wooden stakes have actually become a participant in the game which you have declared so dangerous. How ironic.

 

[dmaker]

^^ Actually, it is more of a refusal to participate in your game. Players of the game would never admit that it is actually a game. That is why you can have "skeptical" players. The ones who want to come across as objective and honest footers by pointing out the blatantly hoaxed evidence or misidentifications while holding on to other examples as genuine.

To denounce the whole fiasco as a game is actually refusing to participate imo.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Presented: A Simple Solution.

Snap a Bigfoot, vid a 'Squatch;
For primates keep an endless watch.
Collect the poo and have it tested;
By evidence are skeptics bested.
Demonstrate the bones, the hairs,
The midden-heaps, the secret lairs,
The young, the dead, the pelts, the orts,
Have done with word-of-mouth reports.
Without some proof, the claims smell funky--
That's why we say: “Show us the Monkey!”

 

[snoop_doxie]

Your premise that sasquatch doesn't exist drives you down the rabbit hole trying to figure out what the heck is going on because in your mind, you can't conceive of rational people doing this so you've attached it to a concept. In that concept, I've become a *master manipulator, the antagonist who's tales of the fantastic are evil and actually harmful, thus beware. You, the protagonist wielding wooden stakes have actually become a participant in the game which you have declared so dangerous. How ironic.

Northern Lights,

Do your kids believe in Bigfoot?
If yes, where did they learn their belief?
And if not, why not?

As a parent, I agree with ABP that teaching our children to believe in a mythical creature
is harmful. Our kids trust us to tell them the truth. They will remember.

ABP's premise is reasonable considering Bigfoot does not exist, and there is no evidence
that it does exist.
ABP said:

Yes, you have. But I'm still figuratively driving a wooden stake through the heart.

He used the word figuratively.
Driving a stake in the heart figuratively means put an end to your game.
(kill the vampire)

Wanting to play the game and wanting to end the game are two different things.

It is hard to conceive of a rational person believing in Bigfoot.
You do not have enough belief to collect poo and get it tested.
First, because the geneticist side of you says not enough DNA.
Then the parent in you says you need the money for college.

Now what?

*no, he said "good" manipulator, not "master" manipulator

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

^^ Actually, it is more of a refusal to participate in your game.

Nicely done.

And no ill-intentions. It's just that I see through it. And no, it isn't "master" manipulation. That is a normal defense mechanism used by the manipulative.

It's like labeling someone a "conspiracy theorist", as if it were this convoluted, complicated idea. It isn't complicated at all. In fact, it simplifies everything and meets the test of Occam's Razor.

It is not difficult to understand intellectually. It is difficult emotionally. People find it hard to believe someone would do it because it is not something they would do themselves. But that fallacy of personal incredulity works with everything from liking Brussels sprouts, to being gay, to being a serial killer. I can't bring myself to eat Brussels sprouts, but I don't let that blind me to how others feel.


Saying that I have been duped into thinking it is BLAARGing. lol. That was good. The old reverse psychology play. Ok, Ok - I was wrong. He really believes. I don't want anybody thinking I was manipulated here. So from now on I am going to say he believes. In fact - I believe!

So there are enjoyable aspects of this.

 

[tsig]

I'm no longer upset over your previous comments and just want to say that I find it absolutely hysterical that you've over analyzed what I do to the point where you feel compelled to pigeon hole it into some type of fantasy roll playing scheme.

Your premise that sasquatch doesn't exist drives you down the rabbit hole trying to figure out what the heck is going on because in your mind, you can't conceive of rational people doing this so you've attached it to a concept. In that concept, I've become a master manipulator, the antagonist who's tales of the fantastic are evil and actually harmful, thus beware. You, the protagonist wielding wooden stakes have actually become a participant in the game which you have declared so dangerous. How ironic.

If you can't beat 'em co-opt 'em.

 

[LTC8K6]

"Why? Are bigfoot scared of horses?"

Ask Bob Titmus...



http://www.bigfootencounters.com/stories/byrne_on_titmus.htm

 

[Northern Lights]

Northern Lights,

Do your kids believe in Bigfoot?
If yes, where did they learn their belief?
And if not, why not?

As a parent, I agree with ABP that teaching our children to believe in a mythical creature
is harmful. Our kids trust us to tell them the truth. They will remember.

ABP's premise is reasonable considering Bigfoot does not exist, and there is no evidence
that it does exist.
ABP said:

He used the word figuratively.
Driving a stake in the heart figuratively means put an end to your game.
(kill the vampire)

Wanting to play the game and wanting to end the game are two different things.

It is hard to conceive of a rational person believing in Bigfoot.
You do not have enough belief to collect poo and get it tested.
First, because the geneticist side of you says not enough DNA.
Then the parent in you says you need the money for college.

Now what?

*no, he said "good" manipulator, not "master" manipulator

Thank you for being concerned about my children and I agree that they should not be taught to believe in mythical creatures as being real, and that is not what I have taught them. Their views on this topic are their own, not mine. My daughter does not believe they exist, but her twin brother does. I've taught them to learn about a subject and make their own determinations, whether it was religion, social issues, political matters, and so on.

I don't prothlesize on any topic, I tell them to understand something and decide. Growing up, we use to have debates, where we would pick topics and would have to defend a position, regardless of personal views. I don't chastise my daughter for her views, I applaud them, as I do for my son, because it's their beliefs, not mine. My wife and twins belong to a particular religious group, whereas my oldest son and myself do not. I fully support them a being part of that group because that is how we are in this house.

Switching gears, regarding calling myself the master manipulator, I gave myself a field promotion, as I am want to do.

 

[Northern Lights]

For example, there is no way that you actually believe that a bigfoot collected a white Good-N-Plenty, held on to it for a few hours while it stalked your camp-out, and then deftly tossed at the guy who dropped it several hours earlier. You don't believe that; you just say that you do because it's part of the game.

I'm going to try and get to some of these other posts. Regarding the GNP hitting Dan's chair, it happened exactly as I stated, and yes I do not understand it either because it doesn't make sense. Regardless of whether it was thrown by the big guy or picked up by an owl, it literally would have had to be holding on to it for several hours before it hit Dan's chair, and that is really hard to believe. I'm stumped on explaining it too, but it did happen. I was sitting right next to Dan and heard it hit his chair. He was not moving at all, he was just sitting back and said he saw it as it came down when it passed by the light of the fire.

We all thought the same thing, how is this possible. We thought it might have fallen out of a fold in his jacket or something along those lines, but he wasn't moving and immediately stated he saw it come down. We did drop tests as well, to see what it would sound like if one rolled off his pants, and it wasn't the same as what we heard when it hit. In fact, we couldn't hear it when it rolled off his pants. But we could hear it when we dropped it from over his head.

I cannot explain it, and yes it doesn't make sense, but it did happen.

 

[Northern Lights]

Professing belief in an animal that has never been shown to exist demands thick skin.

Rub some dirt on it and get back out there.

I've got pretty thick skin. I was a male cheerleader in high school and college back in the 80's, so you can imagine how much guff I took doing that. I'm back in the game.

Going out on Friday to spend a couple of nights in the forest of northern Minnesota with a witness who had an encounter last year. Will let you know if we find anything.

 

[Northern Lights]

Same with the audio evidence that he attributes to Bigfoot. His only caveat with that was that maybe it is a wolf. But he won't send the audio to L. David Mech (wolf biologist) to get his opinion on it. That shouldn't cost anything.

There is a pattern of behavior which suggests pretending to believe.

We have submitted previous recordings to wolf experts (not Mech), and their response was (and I'm paraphrasing); it doesn't sound like a wolf, but since there isn't anything else out there that makes those type of calls, it must be a wolf, just doesn't sound like one.

Regarding the 2012 recordings, they will be featured in a new show along with expert analysis. I will keep you posted on when it airs.

 

[Northern Lights]

Well, like most other footers, not all, but most, you don't seem to want to actually find out anything about bigfoot. You don't seem to want to examine anything too closely. Now, maybe that's just my interpretation of what you've posted, but it's a familiar theme.

I think I was the first person to note an odd trend among footers. Time and time again we would get stories of people or "expeditions" getting very close to bigfoot, either in time or in space, and then abandoning the search.

Claims that bigfoot was throwing stuff at them.

Claims of footprints still filling up with water.

Claims of bait having been taken recently.

Basically, they report evidence that would indicate that bigfoot is close to them now, or passed nearby very recently. Then they quit.

Inevitably, the person or group that got very close to bigfoot suddenly had an urgent dental appointment, and left the area without following up.

A classic example is the Skookum cast story. And of course the original PGF.

We are all doing this on what little free time we have. It's a two hour drive for me to get to the locations and I usually get out two weekends a year. I would love to be able to spend more time on this, following up every single thing that shows potential, but guess what, life takes over. Yes, we all have urgent dental appointments, that's life. Until someone whats to pay me to do this professionally, or those Powerball numbers hit, it's going to be nothing more than a hobby. I can post a bunch, but getting out in the field, that's tough.

 

[The Shrike]

. . . I usually get out two weekends a year.

That's an awful lot of squatchy contact for only getting out twice a year. How do you explain your amazing success rate?

Re: Good & Plenty. First, I'll apologize to the Forum: Good & Plentys are white and pink, not white and black. I know that because I bought a box the other day in the hope that I could attract some bigfoots while out in the field this weekend. So far, it's a no-go on the footies.

Next, I just did my own test out in the parking lot: 16.5 m (~ 54'). That's about as far as I could throw a Good & Plenty. The distance wasn't limited by arm strength - the things are just too light to throw with any kind of real distance. I suppose it's possible to get better distance with a good tailwind, but I don't see one going much farther than about 60', and I can't envision it through a tangle of leaves and branches in the woods.