Anthony of 'Opie and Anthony' Fired For Twitter Rant

[Giordano]

It doesn't mean it's the whole group. Saudi men treat women like garbage. When I say that, it should be understood that I'm not literally talking about every single man in Saudi Arabia... nor does it mean I believe there is a genetic component to it.... But it's a pretty good observation to make... and have no problem with people pointing that out.

Then why don't you say, "Saudi men who treat their women like garbage" rather than "Saudi men" if that is what you mean? If I said "I hate circles" would you assume I meant "I hate red circles?"

 

[Unabogie]

Is the definition of racism so hard for racists? After all, if they harbor these racist feelings, then why won't they at least cop to it?

For the learning impaired, the concept is simple. If you find yourself using phrases like the N-word, that's racist. If you find yourself lumping together a whole group of people and saying things like "the Jews", or "the Blacks", or "the Mexicans", that's most likely racist. If you follow up that term with something nasty, like "the Blacks don't like work", or "the Jews run Hollywood", or "the Mexicans are all carrying Ebola across the border" with "calves the size of cantaloupes from drug muling", then YES, that's racist! That's Chris Rock level racist where you aren't even mad, you're like "damn, that's really racist!"

Word to the racists. Own your bigotry. This pathetic attempt to deny that obvious racism isn't really racist makes them look like pussies.

 

[hgc]

Here's another one: If you find yourself blaming Obama because of a confrontation you had on the street, then you're definitely, certifiably racist.

 

[uke2se]

The two posts above mine characterizes my view on this.

 

[Caper]

Is the definition of racism so hard for racists? After all, if they harbor these racist feelings, then why won't they at least cop to it?

For the learning impaired, the concept is simple. If you find yourself using phrases like the N-word, that's racist. If you find yourself lumping together a whole group of people and saying things like "the Jews", or "the Blacks", or "the Mexicans", that's most likely racist. If you follow up that term with something nasty, like "the Blacks don't like work", or "the Jews run Hollywood", or "the Mexicans are all carrying Ebola across the border" with "calves the size of cantaloupes from drug muling", then YES, that's racist! That's Chris Rock level racist where you aren't even mad, you're like "damn, that's really racist!"

Word to the racists. Own your bigotry. This pathetic attempt to deny that obvious racism isn't really racist makes them look like pussies.

Remember we are all racists.

 

[Giordano]

In my experience, most racists do not think that they are racist. What would make me cringe seems like a perfectly reasonable statement of views to them.

 

[Giordano]

Remember we are all racists.

1. No. I have met many people who do not assume that there is any correlation between "race" and any other characteristic, and some who even appear to be completely unaware of "race." I have met children who did not even identify people by "race" even when that would help me find someone they wanted found. Shirt color, height, but not skin color.
2. If you mean that we all note "racial" characteristics, no, as stated above, some do not and it will becoming increasing rare with time. Even those of us who do: there are some of us who regret this anachronistic "hold-over," and apparently some of us who value it it.

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[Caper]

1. No. I have met many people who do not assume that there is any correlation between "race" and any other characteristic, and some who even appear to be completely unaware of "race." I have met children who did not even identify people by "race" even when that would help me find someone they wanted found. Shirt color, height, but not skin color.
2. If you mean that we all note "racial" characteristics, no, as stated above, some do not and it will becoming increasing rare with time. Even those of us who do: there are some of us who regret this anachronistic "hold-over," and apparently some of us who value it it.

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No. Those people don't exist. Not even the children.

 

[Caper]

In my experience, most racists do not think that they are racist. What would make me cringe seems like a perfectly reasonable statement of views to them.

Like you. You are racist... yet you are completely oblivious to the fact.

 

[Giordano]

No. Those people don't exist. Not even the children.

Yes they do. I didn't say you met them. I said I met them. And indeed I did. I found this behavior both amazing and wonderful, but it happened. If you think that it is impossible and I must be lying, I am not surprised.

 

[Unabogie]

Remember we are all racists.

No, being "a racist" is much harder to establish than whether or not a particular idea or statement or act is racist. That you seem incapable of even admitting that such a racist rant is racist is puzzling.

 

[Giordano]

Like you. You are racist... yet you are completely oblivious to the fact.

As I just stated in my post, I am fully aware that I am racist by the definition of noting that someone has a "racial" feature in their appearance, but that I regret that I am that way and I wish I was otherwise. If I ever find myself having an emotional reaction that assumes a "racial" feature tells me anything else about that person, I realize immediately once I think about it that my reaction was stupid and wrong. I don't embrace it, I reject it. If you want an example, I am racist and sexist enough to initially get a little scared if a big Black guy walks toward me on an empty dark street, and less scared if they are a big White girl. But that is a residue of racism and only operates at the emotional level; when I think about my reaction, I regret it and move on.

 

[I Am The Scum]

Why are we taking for granted that Anthony was actually physically assaulted?

 

[Mumbles]

Why are we taking for granted that Anthony was actually physically assaulted?

I, for one, am not. Hell, the guy even took a couple of selfies a couple of days later, and is completely unharmed. And his entire story is laughable in any case.

OK, you must be kidding. There is no way you can look at the criticism Bill Cosby has laid on black people and what Cumia does here and say they are similar. The tone, the context, the language, everything is different.

You are just trolling with that statement, right?

Let's put it this way: when you do a google search for "Bill Cosby stop the violence" you get a wonderful number of events like this one, featuring him taking part in rallies, vigils, and talks. The man has been a long-time education advocate, and has extensively worked with others in order to try and address the issues.

Like I said, it's very easy to tell who wants to help, and who wants to throw rocks.

 

[Caper]

If you want an example, I am racist and sexist enough to initially get a little scared if a big Black guy walks toward me on an empty dark street, and less scared if they are a big White girl. But that is a residue of racism and only operates at the emotional level; when I think about my reaction, I regret it and move on.

Why? Why would that bother you? I don't get particularly nervous when basically anyone walks towards me at night..... but that has more to do with where I live. But I do become more aware and attentive when someone is passing by me late at night.... and I probably would be a bit more nervous if it was a group of young black males as oppose to young white males.... all else being equal of course.... and all males would make me more nervous then females. I have no problem with that.

But there is another side of that. Say I am parking next to a black guy. We get out of the car at the same time. I don't feel comfortable pressing the lock mechanism on my key chain.... even though it's what I do every time I get out of the car. I don't want the black guy to think I may be locking my car just because of his presence. So I may get a bit more nervous passing a group of black kids... as oppose to white kids. But I am aware of the fact that there is little danger either way and would never want them to feel I might be scared of them.

But at the end of the day... there is no guilt in having such a reaction.

 

[Giordano]

Why? Why would that bother you? I don't get particularly nervous when basically anyone walks towards me at night..... but that has more to do with where I live. But I do become more aware and attentive when someone is passing by me late at night.... and I probably would be a bit more nervous if it was a group of young black males as oppose to young white males.... all else being equal of course.... and all males would make me more nervous then females. I have no problem with that.

But there is another side of that. Say I am parking next to a black guy. We get out of the car at the same time. I don't feel comfortable pressing the lock mechanism on my key chain.... even though it's what I do every time I get out of the car. I don't want the black guy to think I may be locking my car just because of his presence. So I may get a bit more nervous passing a group of black kids... as oppose to white kids. But I am aware of the fact that there is little danger either way and would never want them to feel I might be scared of them.

But at the end of the day... there is no guilt in having such a reaction.

Because I am a racist, subconsciously, and that I don't want to be. Didn't you just state that I, like everyone, was racist?

Aren't you also stating that you too "probably would be a bit more nervous if it was a group of young black males as oppose to young white males...." So aren't you too associating a trait ("risky") with a "race?" You are not associating a trait related to the actions of the individual, e.g. "former felon," with their risk level, but a trait that they had no influence on, their skin color, with their risk level.

Why would I feel guilty about this? Because assuming, even subconsciously, that someone is a risk because of their belonging to some "racial" group" comes from the more, xenophobic primitive part of my brain, and is not the higher level thinking to which I aspire. It comes from my wish to not have someone assume because I am Jewish that I am probably cheap or good with money. I know I am neither, much to my wife's despair. By the way: this applies to positive stereotypes as well: seeing an ethnic Jew and assuming that they must be highly educated is also "racist."

 

[Meed]

Is the definition of racism so hard for racists? After all, if they harbor these racist feelings, then why won't they at least cop to it?

I think it's fairly obvious why one wouldn't want to admit to being racist publicly.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Nurture vs Nature?

I have anecdotal (yeah, yeah, I know....) proof that it's nurture. My son is in a school with pale white Russians and English, Indians, Thais and mixes of all. His mom and I use differentiating terms like "farang". My son doesn't get it. He can't tell me which kids are "white". They're Charlie and Zak and Lucy and Pak and Leo. He knows which ones speak Thai, English, Russian or any combination of the three. But he doesn't differentiate between Lucy and Charlie. They're both like him... they speak English and Thai. He doesn't recognize that the Thai kids have different skin tones and eye shapes, nor that the Indian kids have darker tones but larger rounder eyes.

I have every ounce of faith that he'll develop these understandings later. But he just doesn't see race and doesn't see "different" because of the physical look. There's even an albino Thai girl in a lower grade. With a bunch of blond Russians and English kids, he doesn't even recognize that she has the anomalous Thai features and platinum hair. She's just the nice little girl with the toy dragon.

 

[dudalb]

That's just it. Sirius and other entertainment providers hire professional boors while counting on the fact that when the line is crossed, they can easily throw the personality under the bus by firing him and adamantly disassociating themselves from whatever the last straw was. The fact is, though, that he was doing what he was being paid by Sirius to do; that he would eventually commit the faux pas of no return is an inevitable result of his employer encouraging his boorishness and providing him with a podium. I see nothing wrong with the idea of refusing to let Sirius get away with courting and profiting from these types of individuals and conveniently parachuting away once things have gone too far.

I read at least some of his tweets. Between the incident and his firing, he seemed rather cavalier toward peoples' suggestions that they would complain to Sirius; it's obvious that he was confident Sirius would not be responding to peoples' complaints, and the most likely explanation is the fact that up until that point, they never had before.

This.
It's a pattern, O and A are hired to be outrageous;they eventually go too far and do something that scares the hell out of the company;they get fired.

Last time was the infamous Sex in St Patrick's Cathedrial in NYC where a couple had simulated sex in St Pat's as part of a O and A contest,resulting in a 376'000 dollar fine for the Network,and O and A's firing.
And the O and A fans reaction was just as over the top;they were talking on their websites about setting fire to Catholic Churches in retaliation.
Frankly O and A disturb me a lot less then their over the top fans.

 

[Cain]

Is the definition of racism so hard for racists? After all, if they harbor these racist feelings, then why won't they at least cop to it?

The problem is that everyone's accused of racism. Everyone. Even I've been accused of racism.

One time I was professoring Introduction to American Government, and this black girl records my lecture. It's understandable one would want to record me -- I'm pretty great. The thing is... she was taking video. Who takes video?! This ain't no 2 Chainz show. I remember thinking, "Man, this better not end up on World Star Hip Hop dot com!

Two days later I see her in class, and ask "Rikayah, how did that video turn out?" And she says, "My dad thinks your funny." And so I say, "Oh-my-god, that's so wonderful: you know who your father is."

Well, ****, you'd think I said the ******-word. All these white bitchez were like "I'm gonna tell the dean," but home-girl was cool with it, observing "You know what they say: 'for mommies its babies, for daddies its maybes.'" **** yeah, high-five!