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Merged Hobby lobby and the slippery slope/SCOTUS decision

Next they will be expected to pay for the abortion because some slutty employee gets an ectopic pregnancy. That is her responsibility. They only offer hysterectomy for that.
 
SCOTUS rules in favor of Lobby Lobby

This just in: SCOTUS rules in favor of Hobby Lobby.

CNN said:
The Supreme Court ruled Monday that closely held companies cannot be required to pay to cover some types of contraceptives for their employees, ending its term with a narrow legal and political setback for a controversial part of President Barack Obama's healthcare reform law.
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Supreme Court just decided. FOR Hobby Lobby, thereby allowing them to deny what is, in some cases at least, critically necessary health care to women.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/30/politics/scotus-obamacare-contraception/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

I don't personally believe this is the right decision to make, I really don't. I had hopes that the SCOTUS would see that allowing religion into a business is not the right answer, but I guess I was hoping for too much.
 
SCOTUS followed one of its basic rules. The rights of those who own corporations trump the rights of mere workers.
 
Just to expand a little on this, Alito made sure to note that this ruling didn't extend to those other crazy religions that ban blood transfusions, just our, nice, rational religion banning the slut pills. But why? Why would it be bad to "live your values" when it comes to vaccines or blood transfusions or even doctors at all instead of faith healers?

The answer is that this group of five starts with a conclusion and works the law to justify it. Just as in Bush v. Gore where the made pains to declare the decision as not precedent, here they also carved out a narrow class of religious extremists who get extra deference. Is this why the right is so scared of Shariah law? Is it because they want the right to dictate based on their religion all to themselves?

This decision is not surprising but it is disgusting all the same.
 
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Sabrina said:
thereby allowing them to deny what is, in some cases at least, critically necessary health care to women.
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I don't agree with the decision, but at the same time if their employees don't make enough money to buy their own contraception, then perhaps they should find better jobs. It's not as if they are saying "sorry lady, you have to DIE NOW!"

I'm more concerned about what others may try to extend this ruling to. If my company doesn't believe in marriage equality, for example, how can you make me pay for benefits for the gay spouses? Or their children? Or the gay children of my employee? Or my gay employee? .....
 
The hell? Hobby Lobby is not a religious organization, its a for-profit company and complies with the same laws that all other companies adhere to. I can't see how carving out a special exception for Christian-owned businesses is anything other than an establishment of religion.

If Hobby Lobby wanted to opt out of just about anything else, like vaccinations, blood transfusions, or organ transplants they would be laughed out of the courtroom.
 
Unabogie said:
Is this why the right is so scared of Shariah law? Is it because they want the right to dictate based on their religion all to themselves?
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Probably. They´re scared that someone else´s bigotry might dictate the way they live their lives.
 
From a quick scan of the opinion, it appears to be limited to the contraception mandate and therefore mostly impacts women. None of the women on the court agreed with the opinion.
 
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Kestrel said:
From a quick scan of the opinion, it appears to be limited to the contraception mandate and therefore mostly impacts women. None of the women on the court agreed with the opinion.
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It's hard to believe any of them are on birth control. Maybe Kagan.
 
Dessi said:
The hell? Hobby Lobby is not a religious organization, its a for-profit company and complies with the same laws that all other companies adhere to. I can't see how carving out a special exception for Christian-owned businesses is anything other than an establishment of religion.

If Hobby Lobby wanted to opt out of just about anything else, like vaccinations, blood transfusions, or organ transplants they would be laughed out of the courtroom.
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Here's the decision itself, including the dissenting opinion:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf

Are there specific points of law that you disagree with? Are there specific points of the dissent that you find to closely match your own analysis?
 
Any chance we could start a religion that requires birth control as a sacrament?

I think I've finally found in Hobby Lobby a business worth boycotting.
 
KatieG said:
From my FB feed:

I called my local Hobby Lobby and asked how much it would be if I need surgery on my knee.

"I don't know, we're not a health care provider."

I then asked if I could come down to their store for confession.

"No! We're not a church."

Exactly!!
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Maybe not that exact.

Far be it from me to question the legal minds on your Facebook feed, but here's a passage from the ruling itself:

In holding that the HHS mandate is unlawful, we reject HHS’s argument that the owners of the companies forfeited all RFRA protection when they decided to organize their businesses as corporations rather than sole proprietorships or general partnerships. The plain terms of RFRA make it perfectly clear that Congress did not discriminate in this way against men and women who wish to run their businesses as for-profit corporations in the manner required by their religious beliefs.​

[Emphasis mine.]

Thus five of the nine Justices of the Supreme Court. It seems clear that--contra your FB feed--they see this not as a question of whether you're a church or not, but whether you have a basic right to operate your business in a manner consistent with your beliefs.

I haven't read the dissent yet, so I don't know if the other four Justices disagree on this point, or if they agree with this point and are dissenting from the majority opinion on other grounds.













I also have to admit that I find the idea of adjudicating all our major legal disputes by sampling Facebook feeds kind of amusing, in an Idiocracy sort of way.
 
Hobby Lobby provides contraceptive coverage, and will continue to do so, as far as I know.

IIRC, they just didn't want to provide the few types that they believe cause abortions.

That is, they didn't want to participate in abortions.
 
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