NSA and UFOs : Anyone want to compare notes?

IsaacKoi

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I've spent a reasonable amount of time during the last few years looking into issues regarding the NSA and UFOs.

So far, I have typed up about 100 pages of notes as a start on a thread about NSA documents relating to UFOs and related issues, including relevant individuals (including people that worked, or have claimed to have worked, for the NSA and had/have some involvement in ufology).

While I've created a searchable PDF archive of several collections of NSA documents relating to UFOs (some of those document not being available on the NSA's own website in its section on UFOs...), at the moment I'd just like to check whether anyone has spent any time looking into relevant individuals and would like to compare notes. (I think I've read most material published about these individuals online and in books plus quite a bit of the material on them in UFO magazines/journals/newsletters - so I'm really looking to compare notes on information which adds to that already online or in books...).

Has anyone here covered any of this ground already?

The relevant individuals currently covered in Part I of the relevant draft thread are listed below:

Part I : Relevant individuals

Part I1: Tom Deuley
Part I2: Lambros D. P. Callimahos
Part I3: Howell McConnell
Part I4 : Todd Zechel
Part I5 : Admiral Ray Inman
Part I6 : Hal Puthoff
Part I7 : Ray Fowler
Part I8 : William Draeger
Part I9 : Bob Oeschler
Part I10 : Dan Sherman
Part I11 : Ron Cecchini
Part I12: Paul Bennewitz
Part I13 : Donald Menzel
Part I14 : Russ Estes
Part I15 : R. A. Boulay
Part I16 : “Mil”

Prominent UFO skeptic Phil Klass wrote a reasonable amount about NSA documentation relating to UFOs and some relevant individuals.

In particular, Klass wrote quite a bit about Todd Zechel (included in Part I4), in:

(1) his book “UFOs – The Public Deceived” (1983) at pages 291-293 (in Chapter 31) of the Prometheus softback edition.


(2) in comments posted in Saucer Smear, such as in the 10th January 2004 issue of Saucer Smear included the following from Phil Klass:

"Reference Jerry Clark's e-mail comment to Karl Pflock, it reminds me of Clark's August 1978 comment about Ufologist W. Todd Zechel, in 'UFO Report': 'At this moment in history, it's distinctly possible that W. Todd Zechel is ufology's major figure'. In a letter from Jerry Clark dated September 12th, 1978: 'Those of us who know him personally...know him to be a man of great personal decency and uncompromising integrity.'

"Within a year Jerry Clark would drastically revise his assessment of one of the biggest 'conmen' in ufology, as my investigation had revealed. In his letter of July 23rd, 1979, Clark wrote: 'Zechel and I have long since parted ways and for many reasons I no longer consider him an individual of "great personal decency"...' A year later (July 15th, 1980) Clark wrote:

'You and I have disagreed about many things in the past, but you were dead right about Zechel. If I'd listened to you, I'd have saved myself a hell of a lot of heartache...'"
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(3) In issues of his "Skeptics UFO Newsletter" which I recently helped get online - see the link below.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread981395/pg1

(Talking about my ongoing efforts to make various UFO newsletters available online, in another thread on JREF I'm still looking for the names of any other worthwhile skeptical newsletters/journals/magazines which aren't currently online in relation to which it may be possible to obtain permission to have them scanned and uploaded to a free file storage website - so far no-one has made any suggestions at all... - see http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279215):



(4) In more detail in various of the "White Papers" privately circulated by Phil Klass. I can share the relevant White Papers by Klass, and the responses by Todd Zechel, with anyone that has an interest in Zechel.
 
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I don't have the sort of expertise the OP is looking for, but I am a former analyst for the NSA, and I don't understand the connection between the agency and UFOs. UFO research would seem to be outside the mission of the NSA, which is dedicated to signals intelligence. However, alien transmissions from UFOs probably would fall under the NSA's purview.
 
VanillaCone said:
I don't have the sort of expertise the OP is looking for, but I am a former analyst for the NSA, and I don't understand the connection between the agency and UFOs. UFO research would seem to be outside the mission of the NSA, which is dedicated to signals intelligence. However, alien transmissions from UFOs probably would fall under the NSA's purview.
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What agency would UFOs fit under? NASA, for being from space? CIA, for being foreign?
 
What killed the UFO claims was the invention of the cellphone with camera.
Kills the unidentified claim.
 
VanillaCone said:
I am a former analyst for the NSA, and I don't understand the connection between the agency and UFOs. UFO research would seem to be outside the mission of the NSA, which is dedicated to signals intelligence.
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Although I was really just seeking anyone else that has already looked in some depth into the individuals named in the OP that wanted to exchange material, since you were kind enough to post a constructive query for now I'll just post a link to UFO documents released by the NSA available on the NSA's own website:
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/declass/ufo/

In relation to your point about signals intelligence, you may be interested in the Communications Intelligence (COMINT) reports listed as Parts 2(A)-2(J) on that page of the NSA own website.

The NSA actually had several reasons for having such documents, as discussed by (among others) prominent UFO skeptic Phil Klass in his book cited in my OP and in his "Skeptics UFO Newsletter" which I recently helped get online.

By the way, just to illustrate the type of material that I'm looking for in relation to these individuals as part of my item on the NSA's UFO files (not all of which are included on the NSA's website at the link above) here are links to a couple of items along similar lines that I've already written about the FBI's UFO files:

(1) "Debunked! The FBI alien bodies memo – A case study in the reinvention of the wheel"

(2) "FBI: 'discs recovered', Air Force 'greatly concerned', 'at a complete loss' + more memos"
 
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@ IsaacKoi

I'm sorry if I missed your previous thread and possibly misinterpreted the intention of this one.

However, there can be no discussion of the UFO "phenomenon" with reference to the excellent work that Ian Ridpath has done over the years.

And I am glad to see that he is back on the 'net with all his documents now available in one place (at one time they had pretty much disappeared and were a devil of a jibe to find).

Check his site out -- http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/ufoindex.htm
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
@ IsaacKoi
However, there can be no discussion of the UFO "phenomenon" with reference to the excellent work that Ian Ridpath has done over the years.
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Check his site out -- http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/ufoindex.htm
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Thanks - I know Ian and have had quite a few exchanges with him, mainly regarding the Rendlesham incident(s). :)

However, I'm not familiar with any work he has done specifically relating to the NSA. I'll double-check with him the next time we speak/email.
 
Hal Puthof. Isn't he the bloke who remote viewed mountain ranges on Jupiter. Yes that Jupiter, the gas planet. I Googled most of the others and most of them are nutters. But never mind that, a new UFO thread is most welcome. :alien002:
 
Just to be clear, I did not intend this to be a general thread about UFOs.

I intended this thread to be about the issues outlined in the thread title and the first post in this thread.
 
Belgian thought said:
How did you get these NSA documents?
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I'll be covering that in the lengthy thread I've been writing.

At the moment, I just want to check if anyone here had looked into any of the individuals I listed in my OP (beyond material already online or in books). I'm happy to compare notes with anyone that has done so.
 
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