Happy Celebrate Traitors Day!

ravdin said:
George Washington was a leader of a portion of the nation that seceded and started a war. He and others of his station became revolutionaries because the status quo represented by the colonial system was a direct threat to their personal economic interests- as was the case with the leaders of the Confederacy.

Perhaps there is a real difference between Washington and Davis that deserves consideration, but other than the fact that Washington won and Davis lost, I have yet to see any presented in this thread.
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You're going to pretend the issue of slavery has not been mentioned?
 
I would like to wish a happy Jefferson Davies day to all of the traitorous, racist worshiping bastards in Alabama. I don’t need to be drinking to share my hatred of confederate, and neo-confederate racists traitors. I’ll bet there are plenty of Jefferson Davies celebrations going on today in Alabama.

The good people of Alabama (I know there are plenty of them), should do away with this abomination.

Daredelvis
 
ravdin said:
Are you going to pretend that George Washington was not a slaveowner?
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Happened to own slaves while living in an area where every rich guy owned slaves.

Compare to a guy who started a war specifically because he wanted to keep slavery.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
However questionable Washington may be, I think celebrating the first president of the USA and a founding father is slightly different from celebrating a guy who was the president of a portion that seceded and started a war with the nation.
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I think the point is that Washington was among those who "seceded" from the British Empire and started a war with that Empire. From the point of view of being a "traitor" the cases are identical. From any other rational point of view the American Revolution was very different from the Southern Secession whether Washington and Jefferson owned slaves or not.

But the question is one of treason, not of virtue, and here Harrington's famous epigram applies:
Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
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ravdin said:
Nope. There is no federal holiday for Jefferson Davis.

Now if I wanted to argue there's a difference I'd try something like: show me a document produced by the Confederates that has the importance or intellectual heft of the Declaration of Independence.
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Why would that be relevant? Washington had nothing to do with the DoI.

It is about who won. If they CSA had won, then celebrating Jeff Davis Day would be expected. If the USA had lost the revolution, we wouldn't be celebrating Washington's Birthday. The celebration of Davis is a part of southern revisionism which tries to paint the south as heroic fighters for states rights, when the war was started over the preservation of slavery as the constitution of the CSA points out.
 
I would have thought die-hard Confederate sympathizers wouldn't want to celebrate any days for Jefferson Davis, seeing how the man failed their cause. Who celebrates failure?
 
johnny karate said:
George Washington doesn't have a holiday in the country against which he rebelled..
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That's only because we don't take him particularly seriously...Now, Guy Fawkes, there's a real traitor...He gets bonfires, and fireworks, and marshmallows on sticks!
 
ravdin said:
George Washington was a traitor we continue to celebrate. He was a slaveowner, too. Unfortunately for Jefferson Davis, the winners get to write the history books.
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Losers write history too; in fact, Davis himself did a two-volume, 1500-page rewrite of history that was treated as a Bible here in the Deep South for many years. And, for some (and not just in the South), its theme is still a biblical one- which I believe is the point of this thread.
 
sphenisc said:
That's only because we don't take him particularly seriously...Now, Guy Fawkes, there's a real traitor...He gets bonfires, and fireworks, and marshmallows on sticks!
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That's because he didn't win. If he had we'd be burning effigies of King James.

We don't burn effigies of Washington because we take him very seriously indeed!
 
TragicMonkey said:
I would have thought die-hard Confederate sympathizers wouldn't want to celebrate any days for Jefferson Davis, seeing how the man failed their cause. Who celebrates failure?
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Not failure - martyrdom! Suffering for a noble cause!

You know... States´ Rights. The right of states to deprive individuals of their rights based on skin color, and to force other states to cooperate in returning runaway property.
 
ravdin said:
George Washington was a leader of a portion of the nation that seceded and started a war. He and others of his station became revolutionaries because the status quo represented by the colonial system was a direct threat to their personal economic interests- as was the case with the leaders of the Confederacy.

Perhaps there is a real difference between Washington and Davis that deserves consideration, but other than the fact that Washington won and Davis lost, I have yet to see any presented in this thread.
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You speak as if that would make a lick of difference. You'd just handwave it away.
 
Brainster said:
How appropriate is it that Obama got this dude freed just in time for traitor day?
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At the risk of harshing your Two Minute Hate high, it's amazing to see the Pavlovian nature of this right wing freakout. Four months ago, the same people were OUTRAGED that Bergdahl was still a POW. Now, following Cleek's Law to the letter, you're OUTRAGED that Bergdahl's release was secured, because DESERTER!!ELEVENTY!

But what still vexes me is that even if your pathetic attempt at a derail turns out to be true, so what? Do you really compare a kid bailing on a war in a far away place and getting himself captured compares to ALL OUT WAR on the United States? And not just any war, but a war specifically to preserve the right to rape, murder, and plunder a whole race of people and steal their lives from them?

What part of that don't you understand?
 
ravdin said:
Nope. There is no federal holiday for Jefferson Davis.
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Semantic argument fail.

It doesn't have to be a federal holiday to be celebrated in this country. Alabama celebrates it. Alabama is in this country. Therefore, a Jefferson Davis holiday is celebrated in this country.
 
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