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[Merged] General Criticism of Islam/Islamophobia Topics

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And Humes fork's singling out Islam for "criticism" when it differs very little in its sacred writings from geographically related religion is relevant to the labeling of Humes fork's attitudes as "Islamophobic".

Why is that so hard to understand?

This is an excuse. You simply don't like people criticizing religion in general (see post 19 on this thread http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278086 ). Your harassment and bullying about "Islamophobia" (and every other buzzword you employ) is merely a cudgel which you use to bash those who criticize your sacred cows. This is a skeptics forum, superstitious ideas get scrutinized. Deal with it.
 
A brief summary of these threads:


It's fun to use these stereotypes, they're generalities
Who needs objective facts when you can argue as you please?
All Muslims cheer Al-Qaeda, whether wearing their bomb vests
Or hijacking our airliners, whichever does it best
Their leaders don't denounce it, that must mean that they agree
Since I refuse to Google this, that's good enough for me
We need to show those Muslims that these colors never run
Adorn your car with flags or else the terrorists have won!
Sharia law is creeping into our society
And mosques will soon be springing up from sea to shining sea
Bacon will be banned, there will be hijabs everywhere
The rest of us will all be forced to join in noontime prayer
Never mind that Muslims only make up two percent
Of all Americans, as if those few could make a dent
The Quran is a violent book, I've read the whole thing through
So I know more about Islam than many Muslims do
And all of it is literal, there is no wiggle room
The Muslims who adhere to this will bring about our doom!
Though some have tried in modern times to reinterpret it
I say they're not true Muslims 'cos I just don't give a ****
It doesn't make a difference that the Bible's even worse
We're talking about Muslims, they commit to every verse
Like how in certain countries when one walks away from God
Islamic law is quick to call its execution squad
It's fairly clear to me how the Quran is to be used
Apostasy—the penalty is death for those accused
In some Islamic countries their young girls get circumcised
Their genitals get mutilated right before your eyes
This must be the religion's fault, their customs and ideas
Are dominated by Islam, this practice is Sharia
And don't you say it's cultural, a local ritual
For Muslims to abuse their girls is nigh habitual
Muhammad got it started when he wed a little girl
Then Muslim men soon followed suit, all over the world
Abuse that happens somewhere in one isolated case
Should bring about for all the faithful, absolute disgrace
A family that's living here in rural U.S.A.
They're culpable for what extremists elsewhere do and say
For Islam is immutable and monolithic too
And all True Muslims preach and share the same religious views
The history of Middle Eastern nations matters not
Religion is the cause of all the hatred they are taught
The politics and years of war aren't why they hate the west
Such malice is the only way their faith can be expressed
Our western interference in their nations' sovereignty
Has less to do with it than their religiosity
Don't bring up Christianity, we're talking Islam here
Don't call me an Islamophobe, this isn't about fear
I'm not afraid of Muslims, I deny that this is hate
But we still need to silence them before it is too late
They're feigning peaceful practices, they haven't lashed out yet
Let's bomb them to the Stone Age to ensure they're not a threat!
Another war would do us good, it shouldn't take too long
We need to kill them first to teach them violent acts are wrong
For 9/11 taught me everything I need to know
About Islam, on that dark day, they let their colors show
In case it slips your mind, I will remind you every day
How much I think that Islam sucks until I've had my say
It's dangerous and backwards too, it's also more extreme
Than any other faith out there, it cannot be redeemed
If you're a Muslim anywhere, then you should feel ashamed
For all the vile acts some undertake in Allah's name.
And if you question anything I say, or ask for facts
I'll call you an apologist, or use head-on attacks
I'm not a bigot, don't fault me for saying all this stuff
If you ask me, the brush I'm using isn't broad enough!


:whistling
 
So, so nominated.

Not bad, but how about a few changes, and by depersonalising it, it takes on a completely different bent.

And to nominate this one too...


It's fun to use these stereotypes, they're generalities
Who needs objective facts when you can argue as you please?
Islam leads to cheering Al-Qaeda, whether wearing their bomb vests
Or hijacking our airliners, whichever does it best
Their leaders don't denounce it, that must mean that they agree
Since I refuse to Google this, that's good enough for me
We need to show those Islamic hat these colours never run
Adorn your car with flags or else the terrorists have won!
Sharia law is creeping into our society
And mosques will soon be springing up from sea to shining sea
Bacon will be banned, there will be hijabs everywhere
The rest of us will all be forced to join in noontime prayer
Never mind that Islam only makes up two percent
Of all Americans' beliefs, as if those few could make a dent
The Quran is a violent book, I've read the whole thing through
So I know more about Islam than many believers of Islam do
And all of it is literal, there is no wiggle room
The Islamists who adhere to this will bring about our doom!
Though some have tried in modern times to reinterpret it
I say they're not true Islam 'cos I just don't give a ****
It doesn't make a difference that the Bible's even worse
We're talking about Islamists, they commit to every verse
Like how in certain countries when one walks away from God
Islamic law is quick to call its execution squad
It's fairly clear to me how the Quran is to be used
Apostasy—the penalty is death for those accused
In some Islamic countries their young girls get circumcised
Their genitals get mutilated right before your eyes
This must be the religion's fault, their customs and ideas
Are dominated by Islam, this practice is Sharia
And don't you say it's cultural, a local ritual
For Islam to abuse their girls is nigh habitual
Muhammad got it started when he wed a little girl
Then Islamic men soon followed suit, all over the world
Abuse that happens somewhere in one isolated case
Should bring about for all the faithful, absolute disgrace
A family that's living here in rural U.S.A.
They're culpable for what extremists elsewhere do and say
For Islam is immutable and monolithic too
True Islam preach and shares the same religious views
The history of Middle Eastern nations matters not
Religion is the cause of all the hatred they are taught
The politics and years of war aren't why they hate the west
Such malice is the only way their faith can be expressed
Our western interference in their nations' sovereignty
Has less to do with it than their religiosity
Don't bring up Christianity, we're talking Islam here
Don't call me an Islamophobe, this isn't about fear
I'm not afraid of Islam, I deny that this is hate
But we still need to silence it before it is too late
They're feigning peaceful practices, they haven't lashed out yet
Let's bomb them to the Stone Age to ensure they're not a threat!
Another war would do us good, it shouldn't take too long
We need to kill them first to teach them violent acts are wrong
For 9/11 taught me everything I need to know
About Islam , on that dark day, they let their colours show
In case it slips your mind, I will remind you every day
How much I think that Islam sucks until I've had my say
It's dangerous and backwards too, it's also more extreme
Than any other faith out there, it cannot be redeemed
If you're a Islamic anywhere, then you should feel ashamed
For all the vile acts some undertake in Allah's name.
And if you question anything I say, or ask for facts
I'll call you an apologist, or use head-on attacks
I'm not a bigot, don't fault me for saying all this stuff
If you ask me, the brush I'm using isn't broad enough!
 
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You kind of killed the rhythm there. It's also not clear which parts you're agreeing or disagreeing with. Maybe you could write an original piece of your own explaining your point of view and why you think I'm off base.
 
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Interesting...
 
Now, all of a sudden, you´re taking a religious fanatic´s statement at face value - because it supports your opinion.

Interesting...
 
Thank God for the tsunami, and thank God that two thousand dead Swedes are fertilizing the ground over there [in Asia]. How many of these two thousand, do you suppose, were fags and dykes? This is how the Lord deals with His enemies. And the Lord has got some enemies. And Sweden heads the list. You filthy Swedes. You filthy Swedes!
Fred Phelps, Christian Pastor.
 
Stop picking on extremists: low-hanging fruit. http://bit.ly/1tSUcX9 Listen to the views of ordinary, decent, mainstream Muslims.

Tweeted by Richard Dawkins

If that tweet is recent, Dawkins is acting even more like an unskeptical tool than usual. As I pointed out back when Humes fork posted Sam Harris' own idiotic "ha ha, look at what mainstream Muslims are saying!" comments about this video, Islam Net aren't "ordinary, decent, mainstream Muslims", but an evangelical salafi group that does not exactly get along well with the actual mainstream Norwegian Muslim community.
 
That tweet was an hour ago.

The people in that video identified themselves as ordinary sunni muslims. What is the difference between sunni and salafi?

Are sunni muslims the majority of muslims?
 
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Interesting...

Qaradawi isn't "the head of the Muslim Brotherhood and a leading scholar of Sunni Islam". He's an ultraconservative outsider cleric who is the leading theological figure in the Islamist group known as the Muslim Brotherhood, a group whose Islamist goals and desire to impose conservative religious law proved so popular among Muslims that something like a third of Egypt's entire population took to the streets in protest against to get them booted from power barely a year into their control of the Egyptian government.
 
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That tweet was an hour ago.

Someone ought to take away Hazrat Dawkins' access to Twitter until he learns about this exciting new thing called "critical thinking".

The people in that video identified themselves as ordinary sunni muslims.

As I said in the other thread, are self-described "skeptics" seriously willing to endorse their claim to be mainstream and believe that they're not extremist because, well, if they were extremist they'd say so and they say they're not extremist?

What is the difference between sunni and salafi?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi

EDIT: And I find it kind of telling that, for all their bleating about "ordinary, mainstream, decent Muslims", all these leading lights in the skeptic movement and "critics of Islam" seem to be doing is talking about the same video from this one tiny-ass Norwegian salafist group, over and over. The video is from last April, and Harris made his boneheaded comments about it last November. Couldn't Hazrat Dawkins have found anything else in the seven months since Harris blathered about it (or the year since the video itself was made)?
 
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Thanks for the links A'isha.

So the salafi is a sect within the sunni. Are the reformists or progressive muslims part of the different sects of Islam or are they a new branch?
Also, how prevalent are they and what chance do you think they have in overcoming the conservative and radical side of Islam?
 
Thanks for the links A'isha.

So the salafi is a sect within the sunni. Are the reformists or progressive muslims part of the different sects of Islam or are they a new branch?
Also, how prevalent are they and what chance do you think they have in overcoming the conservative and radical side of Islam?

Seriously... why do ask questions that could mostly be answered after a short trip to wikipedia - questions that anyone who wishes to honestly argue a well-thought-out position would have gotten out of the way before even posting?

How about you do some research? And I mean RESEARCH, not regurgitating the blatherings of Dawkins or Harris. You know, REAL research, using sources and context and stuff.

Preferably, do so BEFORE spouting another bone-headed "criticism" of Islam.
 
And I mean RESEARCH, not regurgitating the blatherings of Dawkins or Harris. You know, REAL research, using sources and context and stuff.

Was Dawkins or Harris in that clip? I agree that the clip was blathering, much like yours.

Thanks for putting the E in JREF.
 
You kind of killed the rhythm there. It's also not clear which parts you're agreeing or disagreeing with. Maybe you could write an original piece of your own explaining your point of view and why you think I'm off base.

Maybe he's trying to make the point that it's Islamism he's criticizing? If so, it would have been nice if he'd said 'Islamism' and 'Islamist' all along.
 
That tweet was an hour ago.

The people in that video identified themselves as ordinary sunni muslims. What is the difference between sunni and salafi?

About the same as the difference between Lutherans and Pentecostals.

Are sunni muslims the majority of muslims?


Yep, but salafi aren't. Catholics are the majority of Christians (if you count Orthodox), do you think that means you can take what some Catholics say and generalize it to Christianity?
 
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