Seven dead in drive by California shootings

[Baylor]

ISame for women who think they can 'change their man'. That never ends well, either.

qft

 

[manofthesea]

/snip
And is a popular recreational item in suburbia.

(from my earlier link up thread)

Methylphenidate (Ritalin) was first synthesized in 1944 in an (unsuccessful) attempt to create a stimulant that would not induce addiction or tolerance. Ritalin is very closely related to amphetamine: similar in chemical structure, metabolization and clinical effects. This close connection is the chief reason Ritalin use raises concern among patients and others.

Kinda like bath salts..
A certain percentage of people eating others' faces and killing people is an acceptable side effect, I guess.

 

[William Parcher]

Have you ever actually known anyone with Aspergers?

Not that I know of.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

They care about resources, physical attractiveness, a man having his own domicile. Since he had most things women like, minus the personality, his obstacles were easy to clear compared to most people's. Hence he got a good roll in his "crapshoot."

Easy? You can't buy yourself a good personality. You have to work for that. (Assuming, of course, that was actually an option for him.) From what I've read, it seems like this guy was just a spoiled brat, spending mommy and daddy's money. Is this correct? If so, the concept that he'd have to work for something, instead of just having it given to him, might be a completely foreign concept.

 

[quadraginta]

(from my earlier link up thread)


Kinda like bath salts..
A certain percentage of people eating others' faces and killing people is an acceptable side effect, I guess.

Have you got any reference for incidents of people eating someone's face off as a result of the influence of Ritalin?

Or even amphetamine, for that matter.

 

[colander]

(from my earlier link up thread)


Kinda like bath salts..

No. "Bath salts" is a blanket term used to describe substituted cathinones, a class of compounds that potentially contains thousands of members. Their psychoactive effects are diverse and not particularly well catalogued. Cathinones are not chemically similar to amphetamine.

A certain percentage of people eating others' faces and killing people is an acceptable side effect, I guess.

Actually, the man in Florida who police shot for chewing on a homeless person's face didn't test positive for any substance except marijuana, which can be detected so long after its psychoactive effects have worn off that it's not possible to ascertain whether or not the assailant was high at the time.

 

[quadraginta]

No. "Bath salts" is a blanket term used to describe substituted cathinones, a class of compounds that potentially contains thousands of members. Their psychoactive effects are diverse and not particularly well catalogued. Cathinones are not chemically similar to amphetamine.



Actually, the man in Florida who police shot for chewing on a homeless person's face didn't test positive for any substance except marijuana, which can be detected so long after its psychoactive effects have worn off that it's not possible to ascertain whether or not the assailant was high at the time.

If marijuana had any effect like that there'd be a whole lotta more faces missing.

 

[colander]

Not that I know of.

If you have neither personal nor professional knowledge of Asperger's syndrome, might I suggest you leave off pontificating about how it might be a "root cause" of the shooter's malfunction? Autism spectrum disorder sufferers have a hard enough time as it is without being painted as a bunch of potential gun-wielding maniacs by people who learned everything they know about Aspergers from network news and a couple minutes of wiki browsing. Thanks.

 

[colander]

If marijuana had any effect like that there'd be a whole lotta more faces missing.

Although marijuana alone probably can't explain why someone would spontaneously attack an innocent, it's actually not impossible that it might have played some part in the incident. Marijuana can sometimes trigger and aggravate pre-existing or latent mental disorders.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

A friend of mine once told me this, and it might very well be the best advice I've ever gotten about women. He said, "No guy has ever figured women out. Don't go chasing after them. Just work on making yourself the most awesome person you can be. Eventually women will notice that, and then they will come to you." Being an awesome person is something I should be working on anyway. In the worst case scenario, I still don't have a partner, but my life will be better than it was before.

A+, 100%, bravo, encore, give that man a medal and a cigar. (A medal shaped like a cigar would be sweet.) (Just a thought.)

Now, should time travel become reality in my lifetime, I plan to engrave a plate with that advice, affix it to the side of a 10-lb bass, bring it along on a trip to visit 20-year-old me, and proceed to slap my skinny-ass self in the face with the creature until "I" lie bleeding from reversed-embossed words of wisdom, my only utterance a barely audible: "Who are you, and why are you so gosh-darned tubby?"

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

A friend of mine once told me this, and it might very well be the best advice I've ever gotten about women. He said, "No guy has ever figured women out. Don't go chasing after them. Just work on making yourself the most awesome person you can be. Eventually women will notice that, and then they will come to you."

This guy was an awesome person. In fact, one of the most awesome in the world. Didn't you watch the video?

 

[Ranb]

They can carry them in school, church, kids playgrounds, hospitals, and government buildings.

The way gun laws are changing, we will continue to see less restrictions on where people can carry.

However, they should all be made to live together in a new state called Guntopia, and anyone else can leave and live away from them, where no guns are allowed.

So the hoplophobes will get Hawaii California and Massachusetts? How high is that fence around the borders? Are your police and military going to use sticks, tasers and harsh words to keep the non-gun wielding violent criminal element under control?

Because why is it considered SOP that a guy like this was able to obtain a gun, when he had so many obvious issues?

Were those issues obvious to the person who contribute to the database used by NICS? How easy it is to depend on hindsight. Where were you when we needed to you to point out Rodger's shortcomings to ensure he was not able to buy a gun?

Ranb

 

[Kopji]

We live in a time and place where mental illness is widely misunderstood and violence is promoted as an easy solution to a broad spectrum of problems.

I don't see this as a 'gun control' argument. We've created a society that largely romanticizes gun ownership as a God-given right and a symbol of personal freedom. Maybe posting on the internet should be taken as a sign that someone is not mentally competent to own guns (I'm being facetious).

In addition to the victims I feel some sympathy for the parents - they clearly realized that something was very wrong. His chameleon-like skills were such that even his roommates and the police who interviewed him did not assess the danger correctly.

My experience is that police are great for some things and very dedicated, but can be woefully untrained in dealing with mental illness. I would never, EVER, have called on the police to go over and check on my kid. I'd be there myself or call on an established network of people I know and trust.

For the grammatical record:
A misogynist is a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.
At least in the US, that is the dictionary definition and also how the word is popularly used. (That sometimes happens).

"Aspergers" was eliminated from the DSM-5 in 2013 and the characteristics are now more simply viewed as part of the autism spectrum. It is commonly viewed it as a 'difference' rather than a mental illness or something to be cured of.

 

[William Parcher]

If you have neither personal nor professional knowledge of Asperger's syndrome, might I suggest you leave off pontificating about how it might be a "root cause" of the shooter's malfunction? Autism spectrum disorder sufferers have a hard enough time as it is without being painted as a bunch of potential gun-wielding maniacs by people who learned everything they know about Aspergers from network news and a couple minutes of wiki browsing. Thanks.

I would never say that they are a bunch of gun wielding maniacs. Do you have any personal experience with straw men?

 

[Cain]

Knives are so effective -- such high kill ratios -- it's a wonder anyone would even bother to use a gun.

 

[Kahalachan]

The way gun laws are changing, we will continue to see less restrictions on where people can carry.


So the hoplophobes will get Hawaii California and Massachusetts? How high is that fence around the borders? Are your police and military going to use sticks, tasers and harsh words to keep the non-gun wielding violent criminal element under control?

Well Hawaii has an entire ocean as a border

And there was an issue last year with someone from the Dept. of State carrying a firearm in Hawaii and being charged with murder for using it.

http://www.kitv.com/news/agent-on-trial/uncut-mcdonalds-surveillance-video-of-shooting/21118728

Since there was a mistrial, another one is scheduled this year.

http://khon2.com/2013/09/13/special-agent-deedy-gets-new-defense-attorney-retrial-date/

So even a complete ban in Hawaii, which doesn't exist, wouldn't prevent gun issues as it is not on the federal level.

Fairly considering both sides and having viewed the video, I would say this federal agent was trigger happy. I've broken up an altercation by yelling out "Yo! You need me to call the police?!" and it ended. Why a trained agent didn't initially try a similar non-violent tactic is a bit surprising.

An increase in gun ownership here negatively correlates to violent crime it seems. A 70% increase in firearm registrations.

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/hawai...s-reach-record-high-after-70-percent-jump/123

While it's hard to test and support with evidence, I would guess Hawaii has a fairly decent sense of community and social programs and anyone who would end up being a spree shooter is nipped in the bud by receiving help before their mental issues escalate. I see no reason to attribute gun availability to the prevalence of spree shootings.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Knives are so effective -- such high kill ratios -- it's a wonder anyone would even bother to use a gun.

Hey, I heard you can make a shiv out of a toothbrush. What are they going to do? Start banning toothbrushes??

 

[Snarf]

Easy? You can't buy yourself a good personality. You have to work for that. (Assuming, of course, that was actually an option for him.) From what I've read, it seems like this guy was just a spoiled brat, spending mommy and daddy's money. Is this correct? If so, the concept that he'd have to work for something, instead of just having it given to him, might be a completely foreign concept.

You are right on the nose about the whole 'him having to work for it' part. I'm two-thirds into his manifesto, there's a section right before he turns 20 where he makes an all-in last ditch effort to lose his virginity before his teenage years are over.
You can guess how much effort he actually put into that one:

One of my hopes was to at least lose my virginity before my time as a teenager was over. Being a virgin at the age of twenty would make me feel very defeated. I made a bid to do everything I could to lose my virginity in those few remaining days I had. With a tremendous amount of panic, I wondered what I could possible do. The only thing I could think of was to go out to the common areas of Isla Vista as much as possible. I had to put myself out there, even if it only increased my chances of having sex by one percent. One percent was still better than zero. For those crucial twelve days I had left as a teenager, I walked over to the center of Isla Vista every day and sat at one of the tables outside Domino’s Pizza, hoping against hope that a girl would come up and talk to me. Why wouldn’t they? I looked good enough, didn’t I? Or did I not look good enough? Such thoughts flew through my head in frantic waves. For dinner, I always walked over to the healthy restaurant called Silvergreen’s. There were always hot girls there, but none of them deigned to even look at me. On every one of those nights, I walked home alone, with my head down in defeat.

 

[qayak]

A friend of mine once told me this, and it might very well be the best advice I've ever gotten about women. He said, "No guy has ever figured women out. Don't go chasing after them. Just work on making yourself the most awesome person you can be. Eventually women will notice that, and then they will come to you." Being an awesome person is something I should be working on anyway. In the worst case scenario, I still don't have a partner, but my life will be better than it was before.

Okay, I agree with the first highlighted sentence but not with the second. I am a complete asshat and have never had trouble getting women to have sex with me. No drugs or alcohol either. I didn't drink until a few years ago and drugs never were my thing.

In fact, I would say being an asshat has been one of the major contributing factors to my success with women. And I'm talking HOT women who are crazy wild in bed! So, like you said about Baylor's post, your friend's advice is a data point of one and pretty much useless information.

 

[newyorkguy]

If you have neither personal nor professional knowledge of Asperger's syndrome, might I suggest you leave off pontificating about how it might be a "root cause" of the shooter's malfunction? Autism spectrum disorder sufferers have a hard enough time as it is without being painted as a bunch of potential gun-wielding maniacs by people who learned everything they know about Aspergers from network news and a couple minutes of wiki browsing. Thanks.

I asked this before. You seem to offer your opinions as those of an expert and I'm not saying you're not. I am asking you, since you bring up the issue of being qualified to speak, to explain your own qualifications to discuss Aspergers or mental health issues. For instance, do you have a professional background? Are you speaking from personal experience?