Seven dead in drive by California shootings

[Doghouse Reilly]

This is interesting.

The 22-year-old was living with [his roommates] at the Independent Living Institute in Santa Barbara, according to CBS. According to the site, it “serves handicapped, developmentally delayed, and under-educated individuals in the areas of independent living, academics and vocational skills."

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/05/25/elliot-rodger-roommates-names-police-identify/

I wonder what the specific criteria were that he had to meet to obtain residency in such a facility. And also interesting that he chose to murder his 3 roommates who, residing in such a facility themselves, may not have been particularly representative of the men he claimed to be jealous of.

 

[Doghouse Reilly]

Heirloom ivory.

A grade from a professor.

Cribs made before June 28th, 2011.

Lawn Darts.

Oscars (the statue)

ETA: Cross posted. I was busy compiling a definitive list

Well, I got to learn about how scary lawn darts are, so it was worth it.

 

[Checkmite]

JREF forum is anti-gun to the core and moderated as such. This should be obvious to the most casual observer.

The more careful observer, on the other hand, will note that the real situation is not quite so black-and-white as this.

 

[Checkmite]

This is interesting.



http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/05/25/elliot-rodger-roommates-names-police-identify/

I wonder what the specific criteria were that he had to meet to obtain residency in such a facility. And also interesting that he chose to murder his 3 roommates who, residing in such a facility themselves, may not have been particularly representative of the men he claimed to be jealous of.

I don't think he put that much thought into his murder plans. They weren't him, therefore they were probably having lots of sex in his mind.

In his screed he even lays out his intention to travel to his home and kill his mother and little brother because the latter might grow up and "surpass" the author by getting a girlfriend at some point evidently.

 

[a_unique_person]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27556097

"A series of drive-by shootings in the Californian city of Santa Barbara has left seven people dead, US police say.

The shootings took place near a student campus belonging to the University of California-Santa Barbara.

The suspected gunman is among the dead. University officials and the police issued alerts calling on people in the area to stay indoors."

Something for everyone. Misogyny, social isolation, guns, murder, Aspergers.

 

[Puppycow]

Heirloom ivory.

A grade from a professor.

Cribs made before June 28th, 2011.

Lawn Darts.

Oscars (the statue)

ETA: Cross posted. I was busy compiling a definitive list

A senate appointment.

Timely processing of paperwork at a government office.

A vote for (or against) legislation by a legislator.

. . .

 

[Baylor]

It's even more hilarious considering how he was so utterly depressed at not winning the lottery. He describes this event as so profoundly shocking... and I didn't see a "in hindsight that was stupid" or "of course it was foolish and silly of me". Nope. Just another devastating event in his poor, wretched spoiled brat life.

He was also upset his mom was paying for his nice apartment in an upscale neighborhood. He saw this as another rejection. Most college-aged men would see this as a free opporunity to go on mad vagina-tear.

 

[Baylor]

Halfway through, I think that a lot of the manifesto is drenched in hindsight, rationalizations and bias. He seems to ascribe a lot of elaborate motivations, make tenuous connections and wonky reasons for why he is the way he is ("I was so bored I had to be weird" is a classic). I have trouble taking much of what he writes about his teens, at least, without a big pinch of salt. Stripping away the melodrama and presumed exaggerations, it sounds like he had a pretty ordinary, if somewhat troubled and frustrated, lonely teen life. His supposed radicalizations later aren't that unusual either.

Narcissistic tendencies seem pretty obviously present, although I'm not really seeing him being divorced from reality yet. Having delusions of grandeur and being self-obsessed, though? Yes.

In the world of interpersonal relations, I'd say he was divorced from reality. He might've been coherent and "with it" in day-to-day activities, but perhaps the parts of his brain responsible for social skills was shot for some reason.

 

[marplots]

Yes, but it's something you have control over.

I'm undesirable because my feet stink and I have a bad attitude. But I don't see how killing anyone is an appropriate response. I wonder what he thought he might accomplish - how his circumstances would be at all different post rampage.

I remembered who this Roberts kid reminded me of: the actor, Cillan Murphy

Only with Rowan Atkinson's nose.

 

[Dissolution]

What really weirded me out, besides the fact that he liked The Phantom Menace, was the strange lottery fixation he went through. What was that all about? Sounded like he got plenty of cash from relatives; he obviously wasn't hurting for money if he could buy Armani gear and drop almost two grand on guns on a whim.

His father gave him a copy of The Secret , a self-help book which claims that you can basically do anything and influence the universe by thinking positively and wishing hard enough.
He felt that all of his problems would be solved if he won hundreds of millions of dollars, as he believed that women would've flocked to him as a result.
He also mentioned another one of these dubious woo books, but I forget which one.

 

[MaxHardcore]

Does anyone know what his father's documentary was about?
I read the cast list, a lot of famous Australian, British, Irish actors, some religious figures of every kind.

The secret is probably the worst thing you could give to a mentally ill person.

 

[William Parcher]

It was a 2009 film called "Oh My God" which asked people of different backgrounds what God meant to them.

 

[William Parcher]

Not diagnosed with Asperger.
Not obsessed with war games.
Has no friends and is super shy and withdrawn.
Totally unlike himself in the video.

Says a family friend.

Family lawyer says he was diagnosed with highly functional Asperger Syndrome as a child.

 

[William Parcher]

The incident where Elliot called the police because one of his roommates had "stolen" two candles from him probably shows the mental illness of both him and the roommate.

 

[Darth Rotor]

No, gun nuts, I'm not joyful about this. It's a tragedy, a horrible tragedy and I wish it would never have happened. But as long as you guys want to shoot guns, this will continue. I'm sure you'll all sleep well tonight.

Slept like a baby. Sorry if you were unable to.

The citizens of California have adopted some of the strictest gun control measures in the nation. I'm not sure an affluent coastal college town in this state is a plausible hotbed of the kind of gun nuttery you seem to be blaming in your screed.

Please, don't mess with the stereotypes people are married to.

I was wondering if I would be able to re-kindle my interest in US gun control by posting for the first time in a while. But no. I can't be bothered, it is the same old, same old and so I will return to Holocaust denial debates. At least there headway is being made against the deniers and their idiotic arguments.

I will thank you, on behalf of us all, for you post and run trolling.

There are news reports saying he was the son of a Hollywood filmmaker and he had Asperger Syndrome.

Someone with enough dough to afford treatment. Parents must be in a living hell about now.

Good lord can't you Americans keep yourself from running amok all the time?

I have not run amok lately, what are you talking about?

His parents had already reported his videos to police and he was in treatment for mental issues, including Asperger's.

Gee, that went well.

How's this for a compromise?

No. You don't get to make the rules.

 

[Autolite]

The more careful observer, on the other hand, will note that the real situation is not quite so black-and-white as this.

The JREF forum is overtly and rabidly anti-gun. To pretend differently seems rather dishonest.

In any case I think it might be fair to say that if this crime was committed using only a firearm as a murder weapon then this thread would most likely be dedicated to the unjustified, emotionally driven and irrational vilification of firearm owners.

However, because the alleged perp supposedly knifed three people to death (and IIRC also used his car as a weapon) then it would be foolish to use this incident to stage an 'anti-gun' rant.

The focus of this discussion is evidently on the mental state of the killer rather than the weapons used. Although this is a sensible, rational and welcomed approach in trying to determine the true reason for the commission of this crime it only further underscores the hypocrisy of the anti-gun crowd...

(BTW, what difference does it make reference your claim that a gun was the killer's "weapon of choice"? Here in Canada, the police are claiming that knives are the murderer's 'weapon of choice' yet there doesn't seem to be any major push on knife control).

 

[newyorkguy]

The JREF forum is overtly and rabidly anti-gun. To pretend differently seems rather dishonest...

Is your position pro-gun rights by any chance?

I belong to many message boards and IMO I have never been on one that has as many pro-gun rights advocates as does this one. There presence probably drives the discussion. Many of the gun rights issues hotly debated here are barely discussed on other boards for the precise reason there are few gun rights advocates among the posters.

Btw that's a typical pro-gun rights advocate position, to label in advance as dishonest anyone who disagrees. That's standard tactics right out of the NRA/opencarry.org playbook. To pretend differently seems rather...silly.

 

[Morrigan]

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifesty...-killings-what-they-were-misogynist-extremism

 

[Autolite]

Btw that's a typical pro-gun rights advocate position, to label in advance as dishonest anyone who disagrees. That's standard tactics right out of the NRA/opencarry.org playbook.

Actually, I honestly didn't know that. Then again, I've never read the 'NRA/opencarry.org playbook'. Have you got a copy that you can spare???

 

[quadraginta]

Is your position pro-gun rights by any chance?

I belong to many message boards and IMO I have never been on one that has as many pro-gun rights advocates as does this one. There presence probably drives the discussion. Many of the gun rights issues hotly debated here are barely discussed on other boards for the precise reason there are few gun rights advocates among the posters.

Btw that's a typical pro-gun rights advocate position, to label in advance as dishonest anyone who disagrees. That's standard tactics right out of the NRA/opencarry.org playbook. To pretend differently seems rather...silly.

I have to concur.

Any topic that is even remotely tangential to anything vaguely related to gun rights is immediately deluged with rabid gun rights supporters.

Yes, this propensity is gleefully taken advantage of by trollish anti-gun advocates to stir the pot (so to speak), but it wouldn't be possible if the population of knee-jerk gun rights advocates wasn't pretty high.

As a gun owner myself I am generally sympathetic to the overall premise of TRTBA, but having said that I still find myself much more irritated by the antics of our high density of pro bono NRA flacks. They seem to be much more populous here than their opposite counterparts.

Maybe they're just louder, or more energetic,

... or something.