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Seven dead in drive by California shootings

Kahalachan said:
People seem to misunderstand psychology as if it were a hard science where you can find out whatever disorder they have based on testing. You can't hide high blood pressure from your doctor, but you can hide tons of disorders by simply not being truthful.
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Oh yeah.

Watching the news, I see people talking about "red flags that were missed", but I don't see any. He was found to have this Asperger Syndrome, but he was being treated for it and taking his medicine. He was lucid, high-functioning, well-spoken, and in his own words perfectly capable of lying to defer suspicion. There was no obvious reason to think anyone should've "picked up" that this guy was a homicidal misogynist. A lot of people are saying that he "obviously had a serious mental illness", but the only things that apparently make that "obvious" are his killing spree and the manifesto which he didn't release until moments before his killing spree.

I think we might have to face the fact that sometimes there are no "red flags"; sometimes there's just absolutely no way to tell and nothing that can be done to find these folks out before they detonate.
 
Scopedog said:
So lets say it had happened. A beautiful, blonde, white girl has fallen in love with the supreme gentlemen. What next? It seems like his fixation on virginity and women was peripheral to the larger problem of his feelings of isolation and disconnection. He appeared to have no concept of other people. He talks a lot about hating certain types of people but he also wanted to be like them. He seemed to think a beautiful, blonde, white girlfriend was the remedy for his anguish.
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He wanted somebody to replace his mother's early attempts to make him happy by giving him everything and anything that he might ever need, but with added sex.
He thought that he was destined for greatness and was supremely intelligent, yet he also noted that he was a failure at everything and had no redeeming qualities.

He seems to have been the living embodiment of Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments
Expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement from others
Envies others and believes others envy him/her
Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence
Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others
Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior
Has expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic
 
Seriously, he kept demanding to his mother that she marry a rich man, for *his* benefit. Claiming he should be able to come and go as he pleased and ignore the rules of his father's wife because rightfully the house should be his, not hers?

How can that not be seen as serious narcissism?
 
Sounds like AS where the person has no clue that the things they say and demand are completely socially inappropriate.
 
Maybe this wouldn't have happened if he actually was gay because then maybe he could have put himself in situations where he would get all the sex he would want from ultra-promiscuous partners that sort of don't exist in the hetero realm. If sex is really the only goal I think a gay man might have an easier score than a hetero man.

Not sure if I made a point or if what I said is inappropriate.
 
applecorped said:
How so?
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Remember that I said that sex is the goal/object of desire for this instance.

If you simply think of a comparison of "gay bar" vs. hetero "pick-up bar" you find disparities. Gay men may have more representation of promiscuity in these situations than do hetero women. That is not to say in general but in the context of a gay bar. Further, in a hetero pick-up bar only a certain percentage of the crowd is a potential partner (because the others are men). In a gay bar nearly the entire crowd are potential partners outside of the few hetero males in there.

I'm not gay but I understand that there are some gay bars where you get naked and have sex in the bar and that just how it goes in that place. Not much like that in hetero bars.
 
schplurg said:
Masturbation is not sex. If a Dr. asks you if you are sexually active they are not referring to masturbation.


If a guy or gal is asked by some friends if they had sex last night after their date, they will not say yes if they merely masturbated after their date went home.


I'm sure you can go to some websites and find many definitions for sex, but commonly I think we all know that the term you used above - "having sex" - especially within the context of this case, means sexual intercourse.


If masturbation is sex then I'm Casanova.
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William Parcher said:
Maybe this wouldn't have happened if he actually was gay because then maybe he could have put himself in situations where he would get all the sex he would want from ultra-promiscuous partners that sort of don't exist in the hetero realm. If sex is really the only goal I think a gay man might have an easier score than a hetero man.
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That's a sick, ugly, erroneous statement. Says much about its author.
 
William Parcher said:
Aspergers may be sufficient to prevent deter the formation of any platonic or romantic relationships for some. That alone might cause a cascade of subsequent manifestations of antisocial thoughts and behaviors for some. I'm saying it might be the root of all his evils.
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More accurate.
 
I went into a gay bar and was totally ignored.
The gals there had no interest in men.
 
William Parcher said:
Remember that I said that sex is the goal/object of desire for this instance.

If you simply think of a comparison of "gay bar" vs. hetero "pick-up bar" you find disparities. Gay men may have more representation of promiscuity in these situations than do hetero women. That is not to say in general but in the context of a gay bar. Further, in a hetero pick-up bar only a certain percentage of the crowd is a potential partner (because the others are men). In a gay bar nearly the entire crowd are potential partners outside of the few hetero males in there.

I'm not gay but I understand that there are some gay bars where you get naked and have sex in the bar and that just how it goes in that place. Not much like that in hetero bars.
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Wow. Okay, you're not gay. Just some insightful personal anecdotes. ;)

I think that some of the problem with this character may have something to do with the medicine he was taking for his AS. Ritalin is one such medicine given to some AS patients and it can cause a feeling of 'smartness'. Does it also cause a loss of empathy? College kids take Ritalin to study better and get better grades. Ritalin has been used by quite a few mass killers to date.

That coupled with his incredible narcissism.
 
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But (Simon) Astaire said the family never suspected Elliot would have guns. “He had no affinity, it seemed, to guns whatsoever,” said Astaire.

Astaire said Elliot played the video game "World of Warcraft," but wasn’t “obsessed with guns or war games.”

Astaire said Elliot had not been diagnosed with Asperger’s but the family suspected he was on the spectrum, and had been in therapy for years. He said he knew of no other mental illnesses, but Elliot truly had no friends, as he said in his videos and writings.

Astaire said Elliot was incredibly shy, spoke haltingly and rarely looked people in the eye. “He was fundamentally withdrawn,” he said. “The guy on the video was much more confident. That is a guy I never met.”
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Not diagnosed with Asperger.
Not obsessed with war games.
Has no friends and is super shy and withdrawn.
Totally unlike himself in the video.

Says a family friend.
 
He had to have been diagnosed with something; IIRC he mentions his specific medicines in his opus.
 
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