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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Scorpion said:
It is my experience that the spirit world exists, therefore there must be undetectable, higher particles.
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It is my experience that someone can be sawn in half then restored, that a man can make live doves appear out of nowhere, and that a man can read minds at a distance. Fortunately, I've been told that these experiences were the result of deliberate deception for entertainment, so I know they were not what they appeared to be, although I still don't know what actually happened.

Your experience must also be mistaken, since we know for certain there are no undetectable, higher particles that could influence your life - if they could influence your life, they would be detectable; we know this as surely as we know that electricity will not run out of the socket and pool on the floor when we unplug a device, even if the socket is still switched on. The spirit world exists only in your imagination, and in the imagination of others who believe in it. Empirical evidence shows how easily we construct misleading models of the world unless we base them on solid foundations.

The late Richard Feynman, a great scientist, said "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool". Since he said that, we've discovered that it is easier to fool yourself than we ever suspected. We unknowingly twist and distort our perceptions, experiences, memories, and thought processes to fit our preconceptions and expectations. An awareness of these fallibilities, coupled with skepticism and vigilant critical thinking, can help mitigate the number of errors we make, and when personal experience and reliable empirical data conflict, personal experience should yield.
 
mstricky said:
... the brain does so when the brain dies its the soul that lives on with all the info accumulated
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You can believe all that, but you can not show this soul or it's 'accumulated info' exists.
Your belief is not good enough as evidence.
 
mstricky said:
The evidence I have is good enough for me.
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Then why are you here, in all sincerity? It isn't to convince others, since you don't have the evidence for that. It isn't to critically or objectively your beliefs.

You and Scorpion, I think, and others like you use critical forums like this to reassert your illusions/delusions to keep yourselves convinced of them. It's pretty desperate.

"If I say it enough times, it will be true"...and if the whole world claps their hands, Tinkerbell will live. Your delusions are just as fictional as Barrie's story.
 
desertgal said:
Then why are you here, in all sincerity? It isn't to convince others, since you don't have the evidence for that. It isn't to critically or objectively your beliefs.

You and Scorpion, I think, and others like you use critical forums like this to reassert your illusions/delusions to keep yourselves convinced of them. It's pretty desperate.

"If I say it enough times, it will be true"...and if the whole world claps their hands, Tinkerbell will live. Your delusions are just as fictional as Barrie's story.
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In all sincerity I joined the forum about twelve years ago searching for answers I perhaps didn't fully understand what the forum was for. But I know there is an afterlife but others on here don't and don't believe, so who is right and who is wrong?
 
mstricky said:
In all sincerity I joined the forum about twelve years ago searching for answers I perhaps didn't fully understand what the forum was for. But I know there is an afterlife but others on here don't and don't believe, so who is right and who is wrong?
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You can show that you believe that there is an afterlife, but you cannot show that you know that there is an afterlife.
 
mstricky said:
In all sincerity I joined the forum about twelve years ago searching for answers I perhaps didn't fully understand what the forum was for. But I know there is an afterlife but others on here don't and don't believe, so who is right and who is wrong?
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No, you believe there is an afterlife. There's a difference between knowing and believing...and without proof, no one can know.

If that's what you CHOOSE to believe, fine. But why try to force it on other people who don't share the choice, which is essentially what you are doing here. It's to reaffirm your delusions to yourself. You certainly don't seem to come here to apply objectivity or critical analysis, or accept that from others...since you haven't.

If you have another reason for being here, please feel free to share what it is.
 
And you believe that there isn't an afterlife. Where is your proof/evidence of that?
 
mstricky said:
In all sincerity I joined the forum about twelve years ago searching for answers I perhaps didn't fully understand what the forum was for. But I know there is an afterlife but others on here don't and don't believe, so who is right and who is wrong?
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mstricky, have you found nothing in these forums over the last twelve years that would make you question your beliefs. Surely their must have been something somewhere that made you ask yourself: maybe they have a point.
 
Doubt said:
I think you and Scorpion are not discussing the same things. Yes, a disk can be wiped by a magnetic field. But "overwriting" could just be a reference to quick formatting, which does not remove much data from a disk other than the index.

Also claiming to have a background in electronics and microprocessors is not the same as being an IT professional. More likely and electronics tech or possibly an EE. Maybe just a hobbyist playing with Arduino.
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Maybe. I hired a company more than once who specialised in retrieving erased data from magnetic media. They were pretty slick in what they could recover from apparently destroyed media.

As for Arduino, I give you the Imperial March as performed by eight floppy drives and Arduino.. I LOLled. ymmv.
 
George said:
mstricky, have you found nothing in these forums over the last twelve years that would make you question your beliefs. Surely their must have been something somewhere that made you ask yourself: maybe they have a point.
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I haven't only discussed the afterlife I have joined in other subjects and enjoyed my time on here especially when Debunk used to come on and Tricky
 
mstricky said:
And you believe that there isn't an afterlife. Where is your proof/evidence of that?
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I don't disbelieve in the afterlife, I simply haven't seen conclusive and objective evidence that there is one.

YOU believe in the afterlife based on subjective evidence: subjective and fallible human memory, subjective dream interpretations, subjective anecdotal evidence, etc. Yet you classify critical thinkers as "wrong" because their beliefs are based on logic.

You asked who is right and who is wrong? You tell me. You came here trying to impose your beliefs on others here, and dismissing other opinions and beliefs. We didn't bring it to you or Scorpion...did we? Yet we are wrong because we rely on objectivity instead of subjectivity?

If you choose to believe in the afterlife, again, that's fine. But what is it that you expect from people who don't? Are we supposed to convert instantly? Argue in circles? What?
 
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