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Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

As for the mind-body debate: Science and materialism won the debate long ago, switched off the lights, and went home to have dinner. The only people still arguing the point are doing so in an empty, darkened hall.
 
Scorpion said:
Everyone here is trying to put down religious beliefs (almost everyone).
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So? This is a forum for critical thinking, not sycophantic religious agreement. Critically examining religious theories is not "putting down" religion, it is recognizing the fallacies inherent in the theories. If you want sycophantic and mindless religious agreement, you've come to the wrong place.

The name "James Randi" at the top of the page should have tipped you off. Surely you didn't think you were going to effect a forum wide conversion?

I cited the religious repression in Russia as evidence it does not work.
Even in that extreme circumstance where little old ladys were put in mental hospitals for twenty years and given all kinds of aversion therapy using drugs, they went back to church when they were released.
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So? Noone here is "repressing" your beliefs. You are free to share them. You simply can't expect critical thinkers to agree with them because we are capable of examining the fallacies.

Quit with the "religious repression" angle here. It doesn't apply.
 
desertgal said:
So? This is a forum for critical thinking, not sycophantic religious agreement. Critically examining religious theories is not "putting down" religion, it is recognizing the fallacies inherent in the theories. If you want sycophantic and mindless religious agreement, you've come to the wrong place.
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Exactly. And it doesn't matter if it's religion; any false or unsupported belief is fair game.
 
PixyMisa said:
As for the mind-body debate: Science and materialism won the debate long ago, switched off the lights, and went home to have dinner. The only people still arguing the point are doing so in an empty, darkened hall.
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Hmm! let me see, the mind body problem as posited by Descartes goes....

The body is an extended unthinking thing, but the mind is an unextended thinking thing.

The solution by Daniell Dennet in his book "consciousness explained" is....

Mind is brain.

It has been said that Dennet has explained consciousness away without explaining it.
 
Resume said:
Do you have any examples of a mind without a brain we could examine?
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If there is a spirit world, clearly consciousness is not from the brain, because the brain is a part of the body, and dies with it. I subscribe to the conclusion of Descartes which is, we are the ghost in the machine.
 
Scorpion said:
I support her beliefs, I advise against suicide, I recommend getting healing in A church, I suggest she could get medical advice.

Where exactly am I trying to take advantage?
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You're displaying predatory behavior common to woo purveyors, like psychics.
 
Scorpion said:
Everyone here is trying to put down religious beliefs (almost everyone).
I cited the religious repression in Russia as evidence it does not work.
Even in that extreme circumstance where little old ladys were put in mental hospitals for twenty years and given all kinds of aversion therapy using drugs, they went back to church when they were released.
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Such an anecdote could be evidence for the persistence of irrational belief.
Not for the validity of that belief.
 
Scorpion said:
If there is a spirit world, clearly consciousness is not from the brain, because the brain is a part of the body, and dies with it. I subscribe to the conclusion of Descartes which is, we are the ghost in the machine.
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Go ahead and show that this spirit world exists.

You can't. No one can.
 
Daylightstar said:
Go ahead and use:

to show that the spirit world you believe in exists.
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Like I said, the formula can be transposed to show that matter does not exist.

ALL matter can be converted back into energy. In any case we are nothing but atomic particles, bound together by the laws of physics. Like gravity and the nuclear forces. If those forces were a little weaker we would be able to walk through walls.
 
Scorpion said:
Like I said, the formula can be transposed to show that matter does not exist.
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No, you didn't say that. Nor does it answer my request to you to show that the spirit world you believe in exists.

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ALL matter can be converted back into energy. In any case we are nothing but atomic particles, bound together by the laws of physics. Like gravity and the nuclear forces. If those forces were a little weaker we would be able to walk through walls.
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Well then, please demonstrate the existence of your spirit world!
 
Daylightstar said:
No, you didn't say that. Nor does it answer my request to you to show that the spirit world you believe in exists.



Well then, please demonstrate the existence of your spirit world!
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I am still trying to get my third eye to work, but without success. I was thinking to myself last night that as I have never ever had a psychic vision in all my years, I will have to try something different that I have not done before. So I cannot give evidence, and probably never will be able to. But if you go to a spiritualist church you may find some medium who can.

In any case I might as well say,prove it does not exist.
 
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Scorpion said:
Hmm! let me see, the mind body problem as posited by Descartes goes....

The body is an extended unthinking thing, but the mind is an unextended thinking thing.
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Descartes was a dualist. Fine mathematician, but believed in complete nonsense with regards to the mind.

The solution by Daniell Dennet in his book "consciousness explained" is....

Mind is brain.
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Almost. Mind is what brain does.

It has been said that Dennet has explained consciousness away without explaining it.
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And yet, no-one is pointing to what exactly is missing from Dennett's explanation.
 
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