Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[acbytesla]

SEIU ran the initiative campaign down there using the airport workers as a level but as soon as it passed the courts ruled forthwith that city doesn't control the port and like Sound Transit there is no provision for initiatives in the port. I'm not 100% sure of that but if there was an initiative in the Port it would include all of King County not just the 25,000 people of SeaTac.

I doubt that any minimum wage can be required of the Feds that they don't pass themselves.

I think most Port workers outside the airport make much more than minimum wage. But the airport is a very different animal. The have lots of restaurants and lots of people that work for the airlines there. The airport is a huge employer if you look at all the businesses that operate out of it. I think the Port could have agreed to raising the minimum wage, just within the city limits of SeaTac and got away with it. But they are kowtowing to the big companies that it does business there and I'm in agreement with you that they probably couldn't have forced wage increases on the Federal workers there.

 

[Dan O.]

Before RW produced the Spanish account I was pretty convinced Rudi had done the job at the lawyers' office but always was skeptical of him being able to disarm the alarm. Dan O disagrees. I always thought he was with someone on that caper. I've never believed that Koko was just hanging eating olives.

My disagreement was based on the simplicity of finding and disconnecting the phone line in a U.S.residential area. After seeing the wiring along the facade of the law offices I may need to reassess that position.

 

[AmyStrange]

Last comment from me on this minimum wage issue....

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The airport isn't in the city of SeaTac even though it is entirely within the city limits because it is a separate polity owned by the Port of Seattle . The SeaTac city minimum wage does not apply to airport workers. No need to skirt whatever that means.

SeaTac has a fair number of hotels and restaurants

ETA - the proposed min wage raise to $15 will be over a few years and there will be credits for tips and commissions. Once the bill is passed by the SCC there most likely will be a referendum. The restaurant and night life industries are very wary. I'm lobbying that all people on fixed incomes get city subsidies

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I think it was more because many of the airport employees were under union contracts and this trumped the minimum wage initiative, but I could be wrong,

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[Grinder]

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I think it was more because many of the airport employees were under union contracts and this trumped the minimum wage initiative, but I could be wrong,

d

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Here's the story:

Less than a week before a $15 minimum wage was to take effect for about 6,300 workers in SeaTac, a King County judge has ruled it can’t be enforced at the airport, but is legally binding at nearby hotels and parking lots.

The upshot is that only about 1,600 hospitality and transportation workers in SeaTac now stand to receive a $15 minimum wage on Wednesday, the start date for Proposition 1.

The estimated 4,700 people who work at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport for contractors, concessionaires and car-rental agencies are not covered by the ballot measure, King County Superior Court Judge Andrea Darvis ruled Friday.

Darvas’ 33-page ruling says a decades-old state law gives the Port of Seattle exclusive jurisdiction over “all operations and activities occurring at the airport, its buildings, roads and facilities,” so the municipal ordinance cannot be enforced there.​

 

[Samson]

Since you lazy sods can't be bothered to research anything I have found out how much a stolen laptop will go for. $250. Or £148 in real money or €181. Not too bad. Of course that's 2014 prices but maybe laptops were actually more desirable in 2007 than now. I dunno.



As Oscar Wild once said - you'd need a heart of stone not to laugh.

The last brand new laptop I bought, this one was $499 or 274.55 pound sterling in real money at date of purchase. Fortunately it's worth a lot more now with the links to this case saved.

 

[acbytesla]

The last brand new laptop I bought, this one was $499 or 274.55 pound sterling in real money at date of purchase. Fortunately it's worth a lot more now with the links to this case saved.

Only to you and geeks like us...

 

[Samson]

Grinder,

What was the evidence behind his assertion? The Duke lacrosse case (more specifically, Tara Levicy's report) is instructive on why one should not take these things at face value. If the links have that sort of information, they would be very interesting. A visual exam may not pick up everything. That is why I provided another citation for a colposcope yesterday. IIUC there is a recording of Dr. Lalli correctly tying off the duodenum; therefore, we have independent evidence on that front. And I don't have any reason to believe that he did anything incorrectly in his determination of alcohol levels.

What I find interesting is that the first report was time of death was 9pm with an hour each side possible. This must have been Lalli before Introna did his Italian job and screwed it for his client by putting it all later.

 

[Strozzi]

It is clear he was a fence and knew he could only be charged with possession of stolen property.

The question is for whom was he fencing. Did he work this business with Koko or another Albanian?

Anglo the research on the value of the computers is proof that he had plenty of resources to pay his rent.

I don't see any evidence that Rudy worked for anyone else but Rudy. Why would anyone else want to work with him on burglaries, anyway? He kind of sticks out in Perugia, don't you think?

Rudy had a rational reason to stop by the cottage on the night of the murder. He either stopped by to see if any of the guys were there to hang out and it subsequently developed into an opportune time for a break-in upstairs, or he stopped by with burglar motives knowing that he had a rational reason to be there if he was seen or questioned later - the reason being he stopped by to see if the guys were there.

Why would Rudy need an accomplice (spotter) - someone he would have to share the loot with? He didn't need a spotter. Breaking the window with the rock accomplished much of what a spotter could do for him. He approached Filomena's window on the downhill side of the property - not in view of the apartment building windows overlooking the other side of he cottage. He was on terra firma from which he could flee in a flash, not exposed as Michiavelli wishes him to be on the upstairs terrace where escape could be more difficult. He knows the neighborhood including the basketball court, steps, parking garage, several streets, and the rough terrain downhill which skirts the edge of town.

He throws a rock and waits for a reaction - a minute to see if a light goes on or it someone yells, or 30 minutes to see if someone calls the cops and a police car responds. By standing back and watching the cottage, he is his own spotter - and he doesn't have to split half the loot. If he did in fact wait 20 or 30 minutes, he knows no police were called and none of the cottage inhabitants happened to show up. Either way, whether he waits 1 or 2 minutes or 20 or 30, he feels he is in the clear. Rudy is capable of getting in. It's not like he needs a manly boost up the lower window grate or a spotter when nobody has turned on a light, yelled, or summoned a police car after the rock crashed through the window.

As for Kokoman, maybe he went to that location to meet someone in the vicinity (Toto?, or someone at the basketball court?). Maybe he was driving by, saw Rudy walking along the road near the cottage, and stopped to chat. Or maybe Koko went there specifically to meet Rudy, prearranged, for a drug deal or discussion. Whatever the reason, what does that have to do with what Rudy did after Kokoman left?

 

[Grinder]

What I find interesting is that the first report was time of death was 9pm with an hour each side possible. This must have been Lalli before Introna did his Italian job and screwed it for his client by putting it all later.

where did you get that? they knew almost immediately that she was with the girls until 9pm.

 

[carbonjam72]

Rudy Waits after throwing rock

I don't see any evidence that Rudy worked for anyone else but Rudy. Why would anyone else want to work with him on burglaries, anyway? He kind of sticks out in Perugia, don't you think?

Rudy had a rational reason to stop by the cottage on the night of the murder. He either stopped by to see if any of the guys were there to hang out and it subsequently developed into an opportune time for a break-in upstairs, or he stopped by with burglar motives knowing that he had a rational reason to be there if he was seen or questioned later - the reason being he stopped by to see if the guys were there.

Why would Rudy need an accomplice (spotter) - someone he would have to share the loot with? He didn't need a spotter. Breaking the window with the rock accomplished much of what a spotter could do for him. He approached Filomena's window on the downhill side of the property - not in view of the apartment building windows overlooking the other side of he cottage. He was on terra firma from which he could flee in a flash, not exposed as Michiavelli wishes him to be on the upstairs terrace where escape could be more difficult. He knows the neighborhood including the basketball court, steps, parking garage, several streets, and the rough terrain downhill which skirts the edge of town.

He throws a rock and waits for a reaction - a minute to see if a light goes on or it someone yells, or 30 minutes to see if someone calls the cops and a police car responds. By standing back and watching the cottage, he is his own spotter - and he doesn't have to split half the loot. If he did in fact wait 20 or 30 minutes, he knows no police were called and none of the cottage inhabitants happened to show up. Either way, whether he waits 1 or 2 minutes or 20 or 30, he feels he is in the clear. Rudy is capable of getting in. It's not like he needs a manly boost up the lower window grate or a spotter when nobody has turned on a light, yelled, or summoned a police car after the rock crashed through the window.

As for Kokoman, maybe he went to that location to meet someone in the vicinity (Toto?, or someone at the basketball court?). Maybe he was driving by, saw Rudy walking along the road near the cottage, and stopped to chat. Or maybe Koko went there specifically to meet Rudy, prearranged, for a drug deal or discussion. Whatever the reason, what does that have to do with what Rudy did after Kokoman left?

I'm pretty sure Rudy is spotted on the Garage video cam walking to and from the cottage, before going back again, before Meredith arrives. Think I saw it mentioned in Raf's book. The implication is he tossed the rock and waited to make sure there was no commotion. So, I think you're spot on here, at least with respect to Rudy tossing the rock and waiting 20-30 mins, or so.

No reason I can see to involve anyone else in Rudy's activities, as he appears to be a loner, and no trace of anyone else in the murder room.

 

[Grinder]

I don't see any evidence that Rudy worked for anyone else but Rudy. Why would anyone else want to work with him on burglaries, anyway? He kind of sticks out in Perugia, don't you think?

I don't think Mach was being serious about how few blacks lived there. Patrick wasn't the only other black you know. How do imagine his business worked?

Rudy had a rational reason to stop by the cottage on the night of the murder. He either stopped by to see if any of the guys were there to hang out and it subsequently developed into an opportune time for a break-in upstairs, or he stopped by with burglar motives knowing that he had a rational reason to be there if he was seen or questioned later - the reason being he stopped by to see if the guys were there.

Okay. No one is saying he wasn't there. The same rational works if Koko drove him or if he was with an accomplice. They would just send him first.

Why would Rudy need an accomplice (spotter) - someone he would have to share the loot with? He didn't need a spotter. Breaking the window with the rock accomplished much of what a spotter could do for him. He approached Filomena's window on the downhill side of the property - not in view of the apartment building windows overlooking the other side of he cottage. He was on terra firma from which he could flee in a flash, not exposed as Michiavelli wishes him to be on the upstairs terrace where escape could be more difficult. He knows the neighborhood including the basketball court, steps, parking garage, several streets, and the rough terrain downhill which skirts the edge of town.

Lookout, driver. Many burglars works with accomplice - that why they have the word accomplice. Maybe he wanted a car to carry off the loot.

He throws a rock and waits for a reaction - a minute to see if a light goes on or it someone yells, or 30 minutes to see if someone calls the cops and a police car responds. By standing back and watching the cottage, he is his own spotter - and he doesn't have to split half the loot. If he did in fact wait 20 or 30 minutes, he knows no police were called and none of the cottage inhabitants happened to show up. Either way, whether he waits 1 or 2 minutes or 20 or 30, he feels he is in the clear. Rudy is capable of getting in. It's not like he needs a manly boost up the lower window grate or a spotter when nobody has turned on a light, yelled, or summoned a police car after the rock crashed through the window.

Yes this theory is well known. It certainly is very possible.

As for Kokoman, maybe he went to that location to meet someone in the vicinity (Toto?, or someone at the basketball court?). Maybe he was driving by, saw Rudy walking along the road near the cottage, and stopped to chat. Or maybe Koko went there specifically to meet Rudy, prearranged, for a drug deal or discussion. Whatever the reason, what does that have to do with what Rudy did after Kokoman left?

Koko was associated with the Albanian gang and was later busted for dealing. But he could have been visiting his sick grandma or painting a still life. I suppose we should believe Koko's story cause he is a pillar of the community.

I would say that Kokomani being there by coincidence is a long shot. An acquaintance of Rudi who is a drug dealer just happens to be there when Meredith is murdered and comes up with a story putting the kids there. What luck for the PLE.

 

[Samson]

where did you get that? they knew almost immediately that she was with the girls until 9pm.

News report shortly after the murder. I wish I saved it. Maybe from IIP, but indicative of the early accuracy of the pathologist before the other evidence was reported. I know I read it in the last week.

 

[Grinder]

I'm pretty sure Rudy is spotted on the Garage video cam walking to and from the cottage, before going back again, before Meredith arrives. Think I saw it mentioned in Raf's book. The implication is he tossed the rock and waited to make sure there was no commotion. So, I think you're spot on here, at least with respect to Rudy tossing the rock and waiting 20-30 mins, or so.

No reason I can see to involve anyone else in Rudy's activities, as he appears to be a loner, and no trace of anyone else in the murder room.

Why do you think he was a loner? He hung out with the guys in the cottage. He went out the two nights before with the Spanish girls. His "friend" called him by Skype and offered to send money, which Rudi didn't find odd. He played on a semi-pro basketball team. He had had a girl friend in Milan.

Did the video catch Koko? Do you think it was Koko's car that fired off the CCTV?

 

[Strozzi]

I'm pretty sure Rudy is spotted on the Garage video cam walking to and from the cottage, before going back again, before Meredith arrives. Think I saw it mentioned in Raf's book. The implication is he tossed the rock and waited to make sure there was no commotion. So, I think you're spot on here, at least with respect to Rudy tossing the rock and waiting 20-30 mins, or so.

No reason I can see to involve anyone else in Rudy's activities, as he appears to be a loner, and no trace of anyone else in the murder room.

Exactly! Why would he want to share the money? Why involve an accomplice? Especially if this is a spur of the moment, unplanned break-in.

He throws the rock through the window, walks away, watches the house from a distance for 20 or so minutes, and sees that nobody approaches or comes home to the dark cottage.

It's now 8:50 pm or so. He thinks the occupants are out of town or out until late, and he climbs up the lower grate and in the window. He steps through Filomena's dark room without turning on the light or searching for vlauables because he can do that later and he wants first to see the layout of the place, including the location of the front door. While checking out the kitchen in the dark, he bumps into a chair, opens the refrigerator and grabs the juice container, drinks some, and soon goes to the toilet. He's in no hurry because it's only 9 pm and he figures he has plenty if time.

He's sitting on the toilet listening to his ipod, just as he did leisurely did when visiting the guys diwnstairs a few weeks earlier. Then he hears the door open. He becomes quiet and scared. He can hear himself breath and his heart pound. He doesn't know who just came in, how many people are there, and if there is a man with them. He immediately pulls out his knife and holds it in front of himself, ready to stab it forwards if anyone walks in on him. He listens, and thinks he only hears the noise of one person. There is no sound of people talking.

 

[Strozzi]

. . . Kokoman's was associated with the Albanian gang and was later busted for dealing. But he could have been visiting his sick grandma or painting a still life. I suppose we should believe Koko's story cause he is a pillar of the community.

I would say that Kokomani being there by coincidence is a long shot. An acquaintance of Rudi who is a drug dealer just happens to be there when Meredith is murdered and comes up with a story putting the kids there. What luck for the PLE.

Kokoman parked his car in front of the cottage for some reason. Either an innocent reason, or because he stopped there to see or talk with somebody about business. If I remember correctly, after fleeing to Albania, Kokoman voluntarily returned to Perugia and spoke with the police and Mignini. Koko would not have dared return to Perugia if he had been involved in what Rudy was doing that evening. He had already seen Mignini cast a wide net in a high profile murder and Kokoman would have hidden low in Albania if he had served Rudy some way that evening in what became a murder.

 

[carbonjam72]

Picturing things in the dark

Exactly! Why would he want to share the money? Why involve an accomplice? Especially if this is a spur of the moment, unplanned break-in.

He throws the rock through the window, walks away, watches the house from a distance for 20 or so minutes, and sees that nobody approaches or comes home to the dark cottage.

It's now 8:50 pm or so. He thinks the occupants are out of town or out until late, and he climbs up the lower grate and in the window. He steps through Filomena's dark room without turning on the light or searching for vlauables because he can do that later and he wants first to see the layout of the place, including the location of the front door. While checking out the kitchen in the dark, he bumps into a chair, opens the refrigerator and grabs the juice container, drinks some, and soon goes to the toilet. He's in no hurry because it's only 9 pm and he figures he has plenty if time.

He's sitting on the toilet listening to his ipod, just as he did leisurely did when visiting the guys diwnstairs a few weeks earlier. Then he hears the door open. He becomes quiet and scared. He can hear himself breath and his heart pound. He doesn't know who just came in, how many people are there, and if there is a man with them. He immediately pulls out his knife and holds it in front of himself, ready to stab it forwards if anyone walks in on him. He listens, and thinks he only hears the noise of one person. There is no sound of people talking.

Now hold on a minute!!! The car park video spottings of Rudy are well worth running down, and I think I've seen them listed with times of sightings. But that's stuff that's documented on camera. And it's super tight chronologically with the theory of Rudy going there, tossing the rock and leaving, and then returning back to check on it and commit the crime. Super, super tight.

BUT - The tale you've spun, Rudy on the toilet, heart pounding knife at the ready, wow! That's exciting stuff, but its also 100% speculation. It's narrative, as opposed to factual. Not saying it's not close, but there's nothing, nothing, nothing, that we have that I'm aware of that supports that minute a narrative.

Just put Rudy at the crime scene, in the murder room, inside the victim, with no plausible explanation other than burglar/rapist/murderer, and its a conviction anyone can be comfortable with.

That having been said, I think you have a wonderful flair for narrative, and I hope you write stories.

 

[acbytesla]

Now hold on a minute!!! The car park video spottings of Rudy are well worth running down, and I think I've seen them listed with times of sightings. But that's stuff that's documented on camera. And it's super tight chronologically with the theory of Rudy going there, tossing the rock and leaving, and then returning back to check on it and commit the crime. Super, super tight.

BUT - The tale you've spun, Rudy on the toilet, heart pounding knife at the ready, wow! That's exciting stuff, but its also 100% speculation. It's narrative, as opposed to factual. Not saying it's not close, but there's nothing, nothing, nothing, that we have that I'm aware of that supports that minute a narrative.

Just put Rudy at the crime scene, in the murder room, inside the victim, with no plausible explanation other than burglar/rapist/murderer, and its a conviction anyone can be comfortable with.

That having been said, I think you have a wonderful flair for narrative, and I hope you write stories.

That nails a lot of this on the head. Nencini writes a motivation that is a narration that virtually none of the evidence actually supports in any way. I think it is impossible to actually write a moment by moment narrative based on the evidence. I think we can say that Rudy was in that bedroom and that he sexually assaulted Meredith Kercher definitely, that he was involved and probably did kill Meredith probably alone but that isn't definitive. We can say that the murder probably took place before 10 PM.

I think we can say that Rudy probably either threw the rock through the window and then he saw Meredith coming up and knocked on the door and she let him in or at least opened the door or more likely he climbed the wall and was in the cottage before Meredith came home and attacked Meredith after she shut the door behind her. Some people have done a reconstruction of the murder itself....(Ron Hendry, for example, I think John Douglass) But this is beyond my scope. I don't think there was anyone else in that bedroom other than Meredith because there are no obvious other shoe/foot prints but that of Meredith and Rudy

Everything else is a good story that may or not be right...by a lot .

Am I in the ball park??

 

[Desert Fox]

I just assumed we were talking laptops. Why would he acquire a bunch of desktops? What is Spanish for laptop? Maybe it's los computos . Screw this! We've already spent years learning google Italian. Damned if I'm doing the same with Spanish

Don't worry, all you have to be is locked up in Spanish prison and I am sure you will learn it pretty quick.

 

[RandyN]

Now hold on a minute!!! The car park video spottings of Rudy are well worth running down, and I think I've seen them listed with times of sightings. But that's stuff that's documented on camera. And it's super tight chronologically with the theory of Rudy going there, tossing the rock and leaving, and then returning back to check on it and commit the crime. Super, super tight.
BUT - The tale you've spun, Rudy on the toilet, heart pounding knife at the ready, wow! That's exciting stuff, but its also 100% speculation. It's narrative, as opposed to factual. Not saying it's not close, but there's nothing, nothing, nothing, that we have that I'm aware of that supports that minute a narrative.

Just put Rudy at the crime scene, in the murder room, inside the victim, with no plausible explanation other than burglar/rapist/murderer, and its a conviction anyone can be comfortable with.

That having been said, I think you have a wonderful flair for narrative, and I hope you write stories.

Yes I think this is correct.

OTOH I like RG with Kokomaniac since a car to haul off the lode would be extremely valuable. In 2007 I feel quite certain that a laptop would have a far bigger street value since prices have come down now on even the super models...(except for Apple)...

Koko fled the country and only returned after the case was well settled in Migninis messed up mind. Also he didn't just return but he was a "super-witness" right up there in the quality level of a Toto, Nara, or a Quintinvale.

Guede was not sitting on the toilet listening to music....Id bet dollars to donuts on that. He may have been fairly casual but I bet he was listening for someone to approach at least...even if in no apparent hurry. By 9 PM and inside the empty cottage he likely felt confident that everyone was gone for the night.

I agree with Grinder that the law office break-in is troubling because of the deactivated alarm. This seems above Guedes skill level although he got into the Milan school somehow without breaking anything...which is actually often quite easy for even an amateur...I would like to know more about style and type of locks and why was the director bringing repairmen to fix those locks??? Lots of places are easily accessed even today with a simple credit card. And picking a lock is a rather simple task with common and easily procured tools.

I would say that RG made his living as a burglar. That he was caught up or at least described in three...no four highly likely burglaries indicates that he was also as likely involved in at least ten times that many in which no clues indicated Guede at all.

Why does no judge in Italy even question the relevance or questionable nature of these flaky witnesses Mignini drags in off the streets? Kokomaniac was particularly squirrely...with his olive tossing defense story against a knife attack. Even crazier than Toto or Nara...and as for Quintinvale...he should have been arrested...either for lying in court during the trial or for lying to police in the days following the murder. He contradicts himself and the police confirm his lies and yet...nothing bad happens to him. Mignini?

This case is bad and absurd and yet they are getting away with most of this corruption. even this latest re-run at the CCTV and its Knox story reeks of Perugia police and prosecutor misdeeds. This is exactly the MO they used for years...also the Kercher well timed statements (this time at the motivation release) is something they have done at every juncture...I think it is all Maresca but still...they are speaking the words...and they have never had a public doubt. That I find as odd and disingenuous.

So anyone come up with RG phone log data yet? Computer activity data? Number of computers?

What does Nencini say about the additional time he added to the defendants jail sentence? How about his reasoning for listing Knox as the most likely thief of the money in light of the facts about RG DNA evidence on the purse zipper...not inside BTW...just on the zipper.

A fence in Milan...huh? And yet caught in a burglary in progress while armed with a deadly weapon and in possession of tools of the crime and several stolen items from his home town.

But released on his own recognizance... where are these details? There was apparently a trial...how did no one know of this "secret trial"? Once again the smell of corruption is reeking up into all my senses. Or am I just some sort of savant crime solver and everyone else is logical but yet fooled by these apparent obvious logical pieces of the puzzle that takes a genius to comprehend maybe? Or no?

The Italians are very bad liars. But no one calls them out for these grossly simple minded lies...why is that?

 

[RWVBWL]

Research..

Allright!
How are ya' all?!?
Good, I hope!!!

I'm a bit perplexed after reading here,
and watching the CCTV footage last night thru PMF.nutz,
that Amanda still does not know that the CCTV camera time is wrong!

Anyways,
as you and I have spent many hours readin' up and debatin' this brutal murder case,
let's keep trying to help her and Raff!!

So check this out,
from Rudy Guede's 2nd Interrogation with PM Mignini,
http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/RG-Transcript.pdf
Rudy basically confirms what I posted the other from finding and translating that article by NACHO AZPARREN,
1 of The Spanish Eramus students.

Link again, for anyone curious:
http://www.lne.es/sucesos/2011/10/05/copas-asesino-perugia/1138272.html

The translated post here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10009313&postcount=6032

Nacho Azparren,
nowadays a journalist, reports in a newspaper article that he wrote,
that he met Rudy Guede 10 days earlier and with other Spanish Eramus students
had drinks with him on the Halloween night before Meredith Kercher was raped and murdered.

Nacho Azparren reports that he did not have Rudy's phone #,
but a fellow Spanish guy did, a guy named Carlos.

Check this out!
Rudy himself states that he did indeed meet up with Carlos that Halloween Day,
and that he even says that he called Carlos,
(Per Rudy: via 1 of the Spanish girls above - (Carolina?)
for directions that day!

Somehow PM Mignini overlooked this!

Have a read, pages 23-24:
Pros. Mignini - And then did you have plans for that evening
Guede - So for that evening I had had plans for some time, yes… there was a
plan already organized for some time and not decided there in that
moment
Pros. Mignini - Right, with who?
Guede - Basically that evening I was to go to the house of the two Spanish
guys, of two Spanish guys that have the names Carlos and Thomas
Pros. Mignini - Where do they live?
Guede - The street, this is another thing I have difficulty in remembering the
exact name.. the area basically is where there are those steps that
lead to, where the Greek Consulate is, I don’t know if you know the
area… in via Oberdan, you go down the steps and as soon as you
start going down you take a turn before getting to the bottom that
leads to Corso Cavour you take a turn and they live in that street.
Pros. Mignini - Via Campo di Battaglia
Guede - However this… and I was to go and be with these guys Carlos and Thomas
this because the days before I got to know them and when I say I got to know them I mean in a very real way because I’ve met a lots of people in a superficial way however.
Pros. Mignini - Were there Spanish girls
Guede - Yes, when I arrived in that house I then came to know that they lived
with others, with other Spanish guys and other Spanish girls, with some Spanish girls who were friends,
the friends of the two Spanish girls that lived above me in Via del Canerino…
Pros. Mignini - So then that evening where were you?
Guede - That evening after leaving my house around eight thirty, around eight thirty after leaving my house I called Carlos and Thomas to find out exactly the area where they lived
via one of the girls that lives above me and after that I went to their house and it was in the plan
Pros. Mignini - Via Campo di Battaglia
Guede - Via Campo di Battaglia and it was in the plan that we would watch
the football match, we were to celebrate Halloween… ah before all
that we were to watch the football match Real Madrid Valencia that
was played that evening, together with the guys. I arrived at their
house, we ate, pizza and various things, we watched the match and
when the match finished we were there…
Pros. Mignini - Were all these guys Spanish?

Guede - All Spanish… and in the meantime other people arrived, other
Spanish guys, when the match finished we spoke, chatted and while
the girls prepared their outfits and I remember the outfits they
prepared were all a bit like cats…
Pros. Mignini - The Spanish girls
Guede - The Spanish girls yes…
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What?!?
Rudy tells PM Mignini he does not have a cell phone,
it was taken from him just days prior when he was busted after payin' 20 Euro to sleep in a youth hostel, err, nursery school and the school owner,principal did not like the idea and called the cops Rudy asked her to call the cops?

But a few days later,
he calls Carlos to meet up with him and the chicks on Halloween?!?

And then this call was used by ILE to call Carlos and Carolina,
(after Meredith Kercher was murdered),
who now in Switzeralnd, to have them return to Perugia for interrogation!
Hmmmm....

Me thinks that the article that Nacho Azparren wrote is totally legit!
Do you agree?



But check this out also:
Rudy also knows of The New Zealand guys,
Read pages 9-10 of the Rudy's 2nd Interrogation linked above:

Guede - Yes because he was, he was part of a group of boys that had come
through a football school there were those who were from the United
States and those who were from New Zealand and I got to know
them and I also spent time at their house however the address I
wouldn’t be able to tell you
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I bet 1 of those New Zealand boyz was the 1 who was probably Oceania's son
that I'd read of years ago on Perugia Shock.
Samson, start diggin'' around for info!
RW