Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[carbonjam72]

Not similar at all. It appears he was let in after paying a guy and knowing the guy could return he found a knife in the kitchen. The fact that he hadn't filled his backpack makes the story about being let in more credible. Upthread we had a certain someone saying that Rudi was known to carry a knife but the nursery story doesn't back that POV at all



They found fingerprints that they couldn't match to any known person. I'm not sure about DNA. While I agree that it is a major factor in the kids being not guilty a professional crook would have a better chance of not doing the Locard.



Pffft. You're the one that thinks Napoleoni recognized Rudi's MO from the first minute and moved to frame the kids. No giggles just howls.

That's as much as the rules here allow.

RW will confirm that others have wondered if someone else was there besides Rudi.

You're saying there's unknown finger prints in the room where MK was killed? If not, then how is it relevant? (By the way, unmatched prints can also be referring to prints that aren't clean enough to match to anyone, doesn't necessarily mean outsiders. Another mistake of Nencini, incidentally). Unless you think Guede had people watching from outside in the hall as he committed his crime?

Sorry, it makes no sense that others were there, unless you're saying they weren't in the room where MK was killed.

As for Napoleoni spotting Guede's MO, I'm sticking with it, either her and/or Zugarini.

 

[Dan O.]

Dan,
If I were in your shoes I would be suspicious of a first time poster. That being said, I personally have seen the time stamp on the CCTV images and it is 20:53. If will attempt to get the link.

Thanks. I have a frame of the image crossing the street currently presumed to be Meredith with a timestamp of 2007-11-01 20:51:36.17. If the others image is indeed 20:53 it would explain part of the confusion of the times.

ETA: I see Sonia has provided the confirmation. I will add this to my documentation when I get the chance.

 

[anglolawyer]

I see your point, anglolawyer, about Rudy being a burglar but I wonder if he regularly went to peddle items in Milan. Did he go there that often that it was a regular way for him to convert items into cash?

As for the computers in his room, they are desktops aren't they? If they were laptops, I would have expected them to be described as laptops/notebooks. Desktops are not very portable. Kinda bulky to take with you to Milan. Which may be why they were piling up in his room.

I think he was a burglar who sold small items for cash, but was likely stuck with bigger computers that he couldn't easily unload. And that is an issue the police should have looked into. Turn on those computers and see to whom they belonged. And don't fry them in the process.

Is there any information on whether or not the police investigated the computers? The defense should know this, just as they should know all about Rudy's cell phone call history. Unless the police and prosecution keep this relevant and crucial information from the defense.

I just assumed we were talking laptops. Why would he acquire a bunch of desktops? What is Spanish for laptop? Maybe it's los computos . Screw this! We've already spent years learning google Italian. Damned if I'm doing the same with Spanish

 

[Supercalifragilistic]

Oh you would huh? Good luck to you. Stipulated by Nencini, actually. Got a problem with that, take it up with him.

You might want to read my post again, one syllable at a time. I said "if I were Rudy" . As I'm not, he's the one that should sue you.

You also might give me the exact citation (in Italian) in Nencini's report that leads you to believe it's a "stipulated fact" that Rudy was a professional burglar.

Incidentally, regardless of the accuracy of your assertion, it's very weird that Nencini is apparently a hopeless judge when it suits you, lacking in your brilliant legal qualifications (cough) "Anglolawyer", yet becomes magically transformed into someone totally wise and reliable when it comes to characterising Guede in a way fits your supremely daft theory that he was the lone killer.

Anyway, citation please. In your own time.

 

[carbonjam72]

CCTV, look for earlier frames -

Originally Posted by Sonia
I just posted a link with a time and date stamp:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...3#post10013913
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Nice. Thanks Sonia,
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If you follow the link, and look at the footage, when the figure enters the top of the frame, you can see him/her more from the front, and this is definitely a much wider body than Amanda, IMO.

The still picture that he TV show has focused on, shows a view from the side that creates the appearance of a much thinner person. But look to the earlier frames, and I think its pretty apparent its not Amanda.

 

[Grinder]

Man, I like you Grinder. You may just be the most argumentative person on the planet. Are you sure you weren't the lawyer? How may computers did he have? Three? Four? Five??

I could show you a pile of computer equipment and unless you know what is inside them, you wouldn't be able to assess whether it had real value or if it was worthless. So the Spanish girls saying there was a bunch of computers in his apartment doesn't really tell us all that much

Tesla you make up stuff or pass on unsubstantiated items all the time. when asked for proof to move on to create a straw man.

How much rent did Rudi owe? You say his rent was due, right? How do you know that?

You speak of a burglary wave near Rudi's but you have no idea what the average number of these type of crimes occur there.

You talk about a break-in, fire and gold watch as if it is a proven fact because a true crime writer emailed you and said Diaz had a police report, but ole Nina didn't get a copy. I can't find another account of this that doesn't stem from Nina. You even cite the kids' books as if they did special research. I've looked for any mention in the trial but can't find it. Don't you think the defense would bring it forward?

The people Rudi was selling to most likely weren't that particular about the quality of the laptops. If they worked for what they needed they bought.

Anglo is going to let you have it for that lawyer remark

 

[Dan O.]

I think you're right but at cursory glance with it on, it would look like Rudy's for the buyer.

Here's a great trick to play on your friends out there. I used to go on newbies laptops and add a screensaver that would say derogatory things about the newbies. Or change the default text on Word/Excel etc to be white text on the white background, that way, the user wouldn't be able to see what they were typing and freak out, thinking something was wrong with their laptops.. (The help desk wasn't too happy with me a few times).

Years ago while setting up the computers at our monthly users group meeting I took a screen capture of the presidents current desktop , installed it as the current desktop image and then hid most of the icons off the screen. A couple of the icons were replaced with empty folders with the same icon and name. The setup was then presented to the room on the overhead projector as the president of the club sat down to give a presentation. April is a fun month.

(now back to our regular discussion)

 

[Diocletus]

Incidentally, regardless of the accuracy of your assertion, it's very weird that Nencini is apparently a hopeless judge when it suits you, lacking in your brilliant legal qualifications (cough) "Anglolawyer", yet becomes magically transformed into someone totally wise and reliable when it comes to characterising Guede in a way fits your supremely daft theory that he was the lone killer.

Yeah, Anglo. No one could kill Meredith Kercher alone. She was like superwoman. If it had just been Rudy and his little knife, he probably would be dead now.

 

[acbytesla]

Tesla you make up stuff or pass on unsubstantiated items all the time. when asked for proof to move on to create a straw man.

How much rent did Rudi owe? You say his rent was due, right? How do you know that?

You speak of a burglary wave near Rudi's but you have no idea what the average number of these type of crimes occur there.

You talk about a break-in, fire and gold watch as if it is a proven fact because a true crime writer emailed you and said Diaz had a police report, but ole Nina didn't get a copy. I can't find another account of this that doesn't stem from Nina. You even cite the kids' books as if they did special research. I've looked for any mention in the trial but can't find it. Don't you think the defense would bring it forward?

The people Rudi was selling to most likely weren't that particular about the quality of the laptops. If they worked for what they needed they bought.

Anglo is going to let you have it for that lawyer remark

I have NO idea if Rudy was broke or if he was independently wealthy. Actually that isn't true. I have no idea how much money Rudy had or if he was late on his rent or if he had money to pay his rent or didn't have money to pay his rent and I don't think I have ever claimed anything of the sort... If I did, it was a long time ago and a mistake. I also don't know if what RW's source is saying is factual either. I do know about computers, routers, switches, phones and IT equipment. I understand the technology very well and I understand the marketing and selling of it.

What makes me doubt that Rudy was a fence was his overall lack of communication devices. Somebody who buys and sells...as "a fence" would be always on the phone or emailing or texting to his customers and suppliers. He's in constant contact with everyone. So either Rudy is a fence and he is communicating with the whole world..including his friends...or he is a small time burglar with limited buyers and sellers and isn't marketing his equipment very well....which means he isn't getting top dollar for his equipment.

You are dismissing two burglaries outright and diminishing the other two. You are saying that Cristian didn't happen and Ms. Diaz didn't happen. Not that you have a shred of proof that these things didn't happen..it's just that they don't support your claim. Prove that Nina Burleigh is not telling the truth. I can't prove her statements either, but it is my understanding that they weren't allowed into court because it was heresay and conjecture and they only allow the prosecutor to do that.

You are also buying into Rudy's stories. Which to me is the biggest offense.

 

[acbytesla]

Years ago while setting up the computers at our monthly users group meeting I took a screen capture of the presidents current desktop , installed it as the current desktop image and then hid most of the icons off the screen. A couple of the icons were replaced with empty folders with the same icon and name. The setup was then presented to the room on the overhead projector as the president of the club sat down to give a presentation. April is a fun month.

(now back to our regular discussion)

I love it. I'll have to remember that one. I can just see the president going crazy clicking on the icons and nothing happening. Good job Dan.

 

[anglolawyer]

You might want to read my post again, one syllable at a time. I said "if I were Rudy" . As I'm not, he's the one that should sue you.

You also might give me the exact citation (in Italian) in Nencini's report that leads you to believe it's a "stipulated fact" that Rudy was a professional burglar.

Incidentally, regardless of the accuracy of your assertion, it's very weird that Nencini is apparently a hopeless judge when it suits you, lacking in your brilliant legal qualifications (cough) "Anglolawyer", yet becomes magically transformed into someone totally wise and reliable when it comes to characterising Guede in a way fits your supremely daft theory that he was the lone killer.

Anyway, citation please. In your own time.

OK where do you get the idea I have legal qualifications? Citation please. I am not digging up quotes from Nencini for you. Go look them up yourself. He said Rudy was a pro burglar. Fact. Look it up.

 

[Samson]

Um, what? I'm in Seattle. Big news here is: $15 minimum wage, stuck Bertha, NFL draft, Sounders winning, Mariners, rain, Boeing moving a bunch of engineer jobs to SC, Amazon building spree in South Lake Union, rising housing costs, etc.

There is no focus whatsoever on this case, and certainly none on a phony old screen shot from a video.

These PGP people are seriously in need of therapy.

Google alerts alters perception. What? $15 when I thought $8 was standard minimum in US.

 

[acbytesla]

Google alerts alters perception. What? $15 when I thought $8 was standard minimum in US.

There are Federal minimums, State minimum and in some case "city minimums"

The State of Washington is $9:32 per hour. The Federal or US minimum is $7.25 per hour. The city of Seattle is suggesting increasing the city minimum to $15 per hour over the next 3 years. I doubt it will happen though. Obama and the Democrats are suggesting increasing the Federal minimum to $10 per hour and of course the Republicans are fighting any increase.

 

[AmyStrange]

OT, but still...

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Google alerts alters perception. What? $15 when I thought $8 was standard minimum in US.

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Washington State has the highest minimum wage in the US at 9.32 an hour, with SeaTac (a city near Seattle where the major international airport is located) just voted for a minimum wage of 15$ an hour.

The city of Seattle is looking into raising the minimum wage there (over several years) to 15$ an hour also.

The US minimum wage is currently at $7.25 an hour, and there is talk of raising that to $10.10,

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ETA damn, beat by that Tesla guy again
EATA They're serious about raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour in Seattle and I think IT WILL HAPPEN
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[Grinder]

What makes me doubt that Rudy was a fence was his overall lack of communication devices. Somebody who buys and sells...as "a fence" would be always on the phone or emailing or texting to his customers and suppliers. He's in constant contact with everyone. So either Rudy is a fence and he is communicating with the whole world..including his friends...or he is a small time burglar with limited buyers and sellers and isn't marketing his equipment very well....which means he isn't getting top dollar for his equipment.

He had a computer and phone in Milan. RW's Spanish story had him with a phone. Somewhere he claimed (oop only can believe the time of the scream) that he used his own SIM in different phones. I believe it was LJ that said Italians use prepaid burner phones. Raf had a prepaid phone maybe Rudi used them as well. Koko had two throwing phones.

Fences are used to not getting top dollar.

You are dismissing two burglaries outright and diminishing the other two. You are saying that Cristian didn't happen and Ms. Diaz didn't happen. Not that you have a shred of proof that these things didn't happen..it's just that they don't support your claim. Prove that Nina Burleigh is not telling the truth. I can't prove her statements either, but it is my understanding that they weren't allowed into court because it was heresay and conjecture and they only allow the prosecutor to do that.

CT's statement was allowed into court and Diaz didn't testify AFAIK. Why would her report be hearsay? It's not just that it didn't make it to court, the story appears nowhere independent of Nina. How in the world would I be able to prove they didn't happen. It is your contention that Rudi was breaking in all around his neighborhood based on having computers from a law office and being caught in the nursery. Everything about the nursery we know points to him just sleeping there as he said. I do believe the account RW produced about the Milan caper.

You are also buying into Rudy's stories. Which to me is the biggest offense.

I believe that he paid for his stay in Milan and was let in. I don't believe that he heard Meredith scream at 9:20-30, partially because I don't she screamed at least not loud enough to be heard.

Before RW produced the Spanish account I was pretty convinced Rudi had done the job at the lawyers' office but always was skeptical of him being able to disarm the alarm. Dan O disagrees. I always thought he was with someone on that caper. I've never believed that Koko was just hanging eating olives.

 

[acbytesla]

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Washington State has the highest minimum wage in the US at 9.32 an hour, with SeaTac (a city near Seattle where the major international airport is located) just voted for a minimum wage of 15$ an hour.

The city of Seattle is looking into raising the minimum wage there (over several years) to 15$ an hour also.

The US minimum wage is currently at $7.25 an hour, and there is talk of raising that to $10.10,

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ETA damn, beat by that Tesla guy again
EATA They're serious about raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour in Seattle and I think IT WILL HAPPEN
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You may be right Amy. That's a huge raise which usually in effect raises other wages. But that it a big raise. The problem with the raise in Sea Tac is that there isn't much business other than the airport itself and it can skirt the wage increase.

 

[Grinder]

You may be right Amy. That's a huge raise which usually in effect raises other wages. But that it a big raise. The problem with the raise in Sea Tac is that there isn't much business other than the airport itself and it can skirt the wage increase.

The airport isn't in the city of SeaTac even though it is entirely within the city limits because it is a separate polity owned by the Port of Seattle . The SeaTac city minimum wage does not apply to airport workers. No need to skirt whatever that means.

SeaTac has a fair number of hotels and restaurants

ETA - the proposed min wage raise to $15 will be over a few years and there will be credits for tips and commissions. Once the bill is passed by the SCC there most likely will be a referendum. The restaurant and night life industries are very wary. I'm lobbying that all people on fixed incomes get city subsidies

 

[acbytesla]

The airport isn't in the city of SeaTac even though it is entirely within the city limits because it is a separate polity owned by the Port of Seattle . The SeaTac city minimum wage does not apply to airport workers. No need to skirt whatever that means.

SeaTac has a fair number of hotels and restaurants

You're right Grinder, but there was a lot of pressure on the Port to mandate the minimum wage increase as well..but even if they did, I think they wouldn't have been able to give the TSA people raises..Feds probably wouldn't have allowed it.

 

[Grinder]

You're right Grinder, but there was a lot of pressure on the Port to mandate the minimum wage increase as well..but even if they did, I think they wouldn't have been able to give the TSA people raises..Feds probably wouldn't have allowed it.

SEIU ran the initiative campaign down there using the airport workers as a level but as soon as it passed the courts ruled forthwith that city doesn't control the port and like Sound Transit there is no provision for initiatives in the port. I'm not 100% sure of that but if there was an initiative in the Port it would include all of King County not just the 25,000 people of SeaTac.

I doubt that any minimum wage can be required of the Feds that they don't pass themselves.

 

[Samson]

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Washington State has the highest minimum wage in the US at 9.32 an hour, with SeaTac (a city near Seattle where the major international airport is located) just voted for a minimum wage of 15$ an hour.

The city of Seattle is looking into raising the minimum wage there (over several years) to 15$ an hour also.

The US minimum wage is currently at $7.25 an hour, and there is talk of raising that to $10.10,

d

ETA damn, beat by that Tesla guy again
EATA They're serious about raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour in Seattle and I think IT WILL HAPPEN
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Same in NZ, and dollar nearing parity. This subject maybe topical if minimum wages and endless holidays contribute to dysfunctional governments and lethargy etc. I always look to the US for science and innovation, and wonder whether the flexibility of labour helps.