Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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anglolawyer said:
What is the opinion of the forums' professional burglars (we must have a few)? Is Nonsencini's deduction correct - that a pro-burglar would always have gone right in through the door?
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I'm not a professional, and unless you know how to pick a lock really fast (there are professional locksmith tools to do this, by the way) or the door itself (or any other entryway that) has a window you can break to unlock the door, or is already unlocked, going through a glass window is almost always easier then trying to go through a locked door, especially if it has a deadbolt.

But as always, this is just my opinion,

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anglolawyer said:
Does anyone think maybe Rudy put that picture of himself and Armani on the desktop of the laptop he stole in order to be able to show it to the cops should he be stopped and searched?
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Police tend to look at serial numbers.

More likely to show to the buyer.
 
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Grinder said:
Nencini spells it Rudi.
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Personally I believe you can spell Rudy's name any way you damn please, but using Nencini to bolster your claim is kind of weird since much of his motivational report is pure fantasy, in my opinion,

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acbytesla said:
How can you make that argument anglo? Simply not possible unless you know how old the laptop is, what processor it has, how much RAM, hard drive size and the market specifically in the area.

I'll defer to Chris and Planigale and Diocletus on the DNA. But this is in my wheelhouse. This is 20 years as an IT broker selling both NEW and used IT equipment and used personal computers sucks. Nothing in the IT world depreciates faster than it does. I sold legitimate used IT equipment and the price would vary on everything from 5 cents on the dollar to actually more than the items were new depending on it what it was. But personal computers..not servers, or routers or switches might sell for at most 50 cents on the dollar and it would depreciate to nothing very fast. To get any kind of realistic estimate on the value of that laptop, you would need to know how much it was selling for new, how old and the condition of the laptop and the market around you. $200-$300 is probably a good wag...but it still would be nothing better than a guess. Since Perugia is college town, my guess is that it would be pretty easy to find a buyer if the price was right...but it would all be about selling for the right price.
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Well, I just wanted to provoke somebody more knowledgeable to get stuck in. I hadn't heard the wheelhouse expression before. TAKE NOTICE I have purloined it :D

I still think Perugia is too small to conduct a laptop recycling business.
 
Dan O. said:
Jovana's time is approximate but fairley well confined because she is on the way to her class which has a known start time. Amanda is answering the door presumably because Raffaele is busy at the time. We know Raffaele is busy very near that time because he is on the landline phone with his father at 8:42 pm.


Untill I see the the full frame of the image showing a person entering the car park, I will not even accept that it is valid evidence. The time is too coincidentally the same as the time claimed for the figure crossing the street. I want to see the exact timestamp on that video frame. And for the earlier figure crossing the street, we have learned that the clock on the CCTV camera was off and the prosecutions correction was based on hearsay evidence and their assumption that the clock was fast was demonstrated to be incorrect by Raffaele's defense. There is zero evidence of any CCTV image at 8:43 pm.
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Dan,
If I were in your shoes I would be suspicious of a first time poster. That being said, I personally have seen the time stamp on the CCTV images and it is 20:53. If will attempt to get the link.
 
Dan O. said:
Police tend to look at serial numbers.

More likely to show to the buyer.
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I think you're right but at cursory glance with it on, it would look like Rudy's for the buyer.

Here's a great trick to play on your friends out there. I used to go on newbies laptops and add a screensaver that would say derogatory things about the newbies. Or change the default text on Word/Excel etc to be white text on the white background, that way, the user wouldn't be able to see what they were typing and freak out, thinking something was wrong with their laptops.. (The help desk wasn't too happy with me a few times).
 
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anglolawyer said:
Fun indeed! Jurisdiction? Maybe Amanda should bring a private prosecution on the 9th circuit or whatever.
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Yup, jurisdiction would be a problem, but didn't Italy charge Amanda's parents with calúnia (spelling?) on something that happened outside their jurisdiction?

But anyway, it would still be an interesting situation to watch play out,

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ETA: Didn't the US also request extradition from Afghanistan for Osama bin Laden for masterminding 9/11 (or for conspiracy to commit or something like that) when he wasn't even in the country when he did what he did?
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anglolawyer said:
Well, I just wanted to provoke somebody more knowledgeable to get stuck in. I hadn't heard the wheelhouse expression before. TAKE NOTICE I have purloined it :D

I still think Perugia is too small to conduct a laptop recycling business.
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A small business might actually do ok. You would be surprised at where some of these companies are. And since there would almost always be buyers and sellers, given the transient nature of students. but you're not going to get rich trading in used laptops and pcs...those prices would change almost hourly. I worked for a company that focused almost always on high end servers, routers and switches. There are actually some good margins in selling that. (You can also lose your shorts if your not careful)

We use to track market and wholesale prices like a stockbroker. Asking prices mean nothing..it is what something actually "sells" at that counts.
 
anglolawyer said:
I have posted this before but as we are talking about how Rudy got in … Remember he says Meredith unlocked the door with her keys. Like, he actually says that. That's like saying she used her right arm or that she had her right foot slightly ahead of her left when opening the door. Nobody says that. Even if they notice. It's among all the thousands of things happening every minute that we just pay no heed to. So, it seems reasonable to me to think he heard her keys when she came in, when he was already taking a crap. Now that would make the sound of the keys an enormously significant event - to him and, to me, explains why the keys got into his story.

Another thing, since I am on about this, is his taking a drink straight from a bottle in the fridge. What revolting pig does that as a first-time guest in somebody else's place? I know Grinder will now pop up and say that is how everybody behaves in Seattle and that he washes his walls every other week too but I do not buy it. Guilty. String him up.

ETA and before I forget, Grinder will also tell us he takes his favourite fish knife everywhere when visiting friends for dinner, just in case they don't have one. Puh-leeeezzze!
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I certainly wouldn't drink straight from the bottle in someone else's home and I'd be very hesitant to drop a deuce there the first time..but on the latter...sometimes of course you don't have a choice.
 
carbonjam72 said:
I guess more than anything I'm perplexed by this stream of points. Just taking two that jumped out at me;

First off - "He didn't have her computer or anything significant stolen from the nursery."

The point is, he was in a private place he wasn't supposed to be, and took a knife for protection. The parallel to the Kercher killing is too obvious to write.
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Not similar at all. It appears he was let in after paying a guy and knowing the guy could return he found a knife in the kitchen. The fact that he hadn't filled his backpack makes the story about being let in more credible. Upthread we had a certain someone saying that Rudi was known to carry a knife but the nursery story doesn't back that POV at all

Second point - "Maybe it was the scary guy that killed Meredith and Rudi has no interest in doing anything to piss him off."

The lack of any trace of anyone but Guede in the room where Meredith was killed, establishes only Guede killed Meredith, and only in that room.
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They found fingerprints that they couldn't match to any known person. I'm not sure about DNA. While I agree that it is a major factor in the kids being not guilty a professional crook would have a better chance of not doing the Locard.

At some point this type of speculation becomes so fevered its hard to believe you're serious, and not deriving some mischievous giggles from watching people agog at the absurdity of what your'e suggesting is "possible". I don't get it, I can't grasp where you're coming from with this stuff. Though I'm on board with other stuff you've posted, this one comes across like a 'hot flash'.
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Pffft. You're the one that thinks Napoleoni recognized Rudi's MO from the first minute and moved to frame the kids. No giggles just howls.

That's as much as the rules here allow.

RW will confirm that others have wondered if someone else was there besides Rudi.
 
acbytesla said:
A small business might actually do ok. You would be surprised at where some of these companies are. And since there would almost always be buyers and sellers, given the transient nature of students. but you're not going to get rich trading in used laptops and pcs...those prices would change almost hourly. I worked for a company that focused almost always on high end servers, routers and switches. There are actually some good margins in selling that. (You can also lose your shorts if your not careful)

We use to track market and wholesale prices like a stockbroker. Asking prices mean nothing..it is what something actually "sells" at that counts.
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To you and a Desert Fox, I was using 'laptop recycling' as a euphemism for stealing and selling laptops, not a genuine bona fide business. I think Perugia would be too small to flog half-inched laptops for very long before somebody got wind. People were already starting to home in on Rudy for the burglaries. So I figure maybe as he had some contacts or friends in Milan he would take a laptop or two with him and net a few hundred euros on each trip. Not a bad business.
 
From Goalkeeper - showing the time stamp in the left lower corner.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5273555.html

I can't read it clearly - exactly what does it read? It looks like 0:53:50:21

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And I don't see a date.
 
anglolawyer said:
To you and a Desert Fox, I was using 'laptop recycling' as a euphemism for stealing and selling laptops, not a genuine bona fide business. I think Perugia would be too small to flog half-inched laptops for very long before somebody got wind. People were already starting to home in on Rudy for the burglaries. So I figure maybe as he had some contacts or friends in Milan he would take a laptop or two with him and net a few hundred euros on each trip. Not a bad business.
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I get it....but I think it sucks as a business. High risk and a lot of work for just a few dollars. Rudy would have to be pretty busing stealing laptops to make any real money. Might be enough to scrape by, but he's bound to get caught sooner or later. I wonder more about the jewelry given the price of gold and just how much harder that is for the cops to track. But students aren't likely to have much in the way of premium jewelry.
 
anglolawyer said:
Does anyone think maybe Rudy put that picture of himself and Armani on the desktop of the laptop he stole in order to be able to show it to the cops should he be stopped and searched?

Also, how much would you get for a stolen laptop in Milan? Where do I google that? I'll try google ...
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I think that's a great point. When he took laptops or phones he would put his picture on both to fool the cops and the buyers. He obviously had accessed the computer and therefore even had he not stolen it himself would have known where it came from.
 
Grinder said:
Not similar at all. It appears he was let in after paying a guy and knowing the guy could return he found a knife in the kitchen. The fact that he hadn't filled his backpack makes the story about being let in more credible. Upthread we had a certain someone saying that Rudi was known to carry a knife but the nursery story doesn't back that POV at all
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No, that is Rudy's story...not likely to be the truth. And the fact that the knife is found in his backpack makes his story less likely. Why is he taking the knife. If he was just using it?
 
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Grinder said:
From Goalkeeper - showing the time stamp in the left lower corner.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5273555.html

I can't read it clearly - exactly what does it read? It looks like 0:53:50:21

[qimg]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1778904/original.jpg[/qimg]

And I don't see a date.
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To me it looks like the photo is cut off on the left (look at the word on the top left, it looks like a letter is cut off), which means the time could possibly read 20:53:21 which is military time for 8:53 pm, but you're right, there is no date stamp.

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acbytesla said:
I get it....but I think it sucks as a business. High risk and a lot of work for just a few dollars. Rudy would have to be pretty busing stealing laptops to make any real money. Might be enough to scrape by, but he's bound to get caught sooner or later. I wonder more about the jewelry given the price of gold and just how much harder that is for the cops to track. But students aren't likely to have much in the way of premium jewelry.
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But tesla, he did get caught sooner or later (in Milan with a stolen laptop - duh). That doesn't prove he wasn't a dumb schmuck using a bad business model, but the opposite.
 
acbytesla said:
Now, I'm confused... The whole argument about when Raffaele called the Postal police revolved around the car park CCTV camera. OK I got it, the CCTV image stamp is 10 minutes after the actual time. So it is ten minutes behind..(is that slow or fast?) the actual time. It is 21:03 not 20:43.

This is the camera that the prosecution argued was 10 minutes after the actual time which showed the Postal police arriving before Raffaele called the police...when in fact the actual time was ten minutes before the actual time making that call about 18 minutes before his call to the police.

Hopefully, this explanation clears it up.

Sorry.
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Now? :D

For the defense argument to work the time on the CCTV needed to show a time before the actually PP arrived. The clock had to be slow.
 
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