Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Grinder]

So you think this was as an inside job?? Are you making this up? And why would Rudy pay someone to get into the nursery instead of paying to sleep at a hostel? How far out on a limb do you plan on going with this?

Do you have any information that the nursery suffered a forced break in?

You're right, I did. I think Rudy is ugly and that pretty of a girl is not likely to have anything to do with the bum. That said...it is possible....but not very likely. Especially when you take into account that he doesn't have a phone, a job, not a student, hardly can communicate with. yea sure, it's possible.

Aren't you keeping up or can't you read? RW's new info has him owning a phone. He was a fine looking twenty year old athlete that was far better looking than the downstairs thug looking of a boyfriend. She probably didn't do a credit check and I doubt he announced employment. You're thinking of the babes you meet in Bellevue at the Holiday Inn.

The police also thought that Amanda and Raffaele killed Meredith. The police also insist their were multiple assailants. The police also thought the shoes belonged to Raffaele. You will excuse me if I don't have a lot of faith in the Peurgian police force.

The early days when they leaked the pen knife and the consensual sexual information BEFORE they arrest the kids.

They also have money. They also have phones, they also have ways to reach them. A lot of burglars "fence" their own goods. So he could be both.

Not so much. They trade for drugs or get it to someone that can move it. I know you've repeated it many times and you think that proves it but how do you know he didn't have money? Did he steal the kabob? As I've pointed out numerous times RW's new info says he had a phone. Had a phone.

The fact that you keep dancing around is that Rudy was CAUGHT inside the Nursery. That he was CAUGHT with a laptop STOLEN from 3 blocks from his home that he SAYS was bought in Milan 282 miles from there. This is BS story Grinder. Wouldn't your BS flashing light go off on this story?

Read slowly Tesla. He was caught in the nursery. He had stolen items that he said he bought at the train station in Milan. I never believed he bought them in Milan and BEFORE RW's new info was pretty sure he had been at least part of the lawyers' office break-in but now think it just as likely he was a fence that sold stolen Perugian goods in Milan.

Again, this is the guy that everyone says doesn't have a phone, the most basic of communication devices. I'm sure as a burglar, he sold stolen items, probably much of what he stole. Does that make him a fence? I don't think so. A fence is someone who buys stolen goods as a profession. Think of a pawn shop as opposed to an unemployed gardener.

informal
deal in (stolen goods).
"after stealing your ring, he didn't even know how to fence it"​

Are you saying he worked in a pawn shop?

He had many computers according to RW's source. He might have stolen them all and of course more because some were sold making him money. Do you have any source for him being in need of money for rent? I've seen that said for years but I don't recall it ever being back up. Maybe his nieghbor told that to Nina as well.

No, but I'll sell you one. All you have to do is dig it up. I'll even tell you where it is. And given these stories that you are buying from Rudi, you would be writing the check.

What?

Hey RW - where did you get that info on Rudy (just to be nice while asking for something) saying he paid less than the 50 Euros and that he was let in the nursery for the payment?

 

[Grinder]

Maybe you missed this or didn't understand it. Post by RW

Seriously though,
I'm takin' a break right now from reading the English translation of Rudy Guede's 2nd interrogation with PM Mignini, the one from March 2008.

Anyways, up to page 52, here's just a few of Guede's statements:
He says he met Amanda Knox on the opening of Le Chic, back on Sept. 4, 2007, but Amanda didn't even move in with Filomena, Laura and Meredith until Sept. 20th, much less start working at Le Chic yet.

He mentions that the guy who let him sleep at the nursery school let him stay there overnight for 20 Euros, (not the 50 Euros that I'd read of before) and the guy let him inside by opening the place with his keys.

Guede mentions that he was using the lawyers stolen phone, but with his own SIM, # 329.1819627.

In this 2nd interrogation, Rudy Guede corrects a statement from his 1st interrogation, the 1 we still don't have access to, and states that on Halloween night, he did not meet Meredith at the party he 1st went to with the Spanish gals, but that he met her at The Domus nightclub around 2 am. He also states the he was there until closing, leaving around 5:00-5:30am.

Guede also mentions that, (supposedly on his 1st date with Meredith) he wore a Eco United t-shirt, a thin Adidas sweater with a gold logo and gold stripes on it, and also a yellow hooded sweater -(a hoodie?) with red and blue writing on it.

He states that Meredith anhe fooled around, not in her bedroom, but in the kitchen/lounge, of all places. And that they both removed their trousers, his words, and he fingered her there.

He had to use the restroom, and so Meredith told him to use Filomena's bathroom...

There's some gems in here, have a read if you want more on Rudy Guede's interrogations with PM Mignini.

ETA - while his lying about the date makes perfect sense why would he lie about the amount he paid and the fact that he was let in? I'm sure he wasn't worried about being charged for that and they could check with the Milan police. It also makes more sense why they didn't hold him in the first place if the nursery wasn't broken into.

I definitely believe the 20 Euros as 50 never made sense and that he was let in as no one has said differently and while convicted in Milan of possessing stolen goods he wasn't charged with B&E. IIRC.

Del Prado says she opened the door and walked into her nursery and found a man walking out of her office. It would appear that the door was smashed or jimmied (correct usage). Here watch her account

I wonder how they knew he had stolen keys and what they were for.

 

[acbytesla]

Do you have any information that the nursery suffered a forced break in?

Weather it was forced or not is irrelevant. The front door could be unlocked, that still constitutes B&E.

Aren't you keeping up or can't you read? RW's new info has him owning a phone. He was a fine looking twenty year old athlete that was far better looking than the downstairs thug looking of a boyfriend. She probably didn't do a credit check and I doubt he announced employment. You're thinking of the babes you meet in Bellevue at the Holiday Inn.

There is NOTHING to suggest that Meredith had a date with Rudy other than Rudy..just like there is NOTHING to suggest that Amanda stole Meredith's rent money but Rudy.

The early days when they leaked the pen knife and the consensual sexual information BEFORE they arrest the kids....

Again, the police in Perugia haven't shown that they have even the minimum of investigative skills...why would you, or anyone believe that they have a clue?

Not so much. They trade for drugs or get it to someone that can move it. I know you've repeated it many times and you think that proves it but how do you know he didn't have money? Did he steal the kabob? As I've pointed out numerous times RW's new info says he had a phone. Had a phone.

Great!!! Rudy had a phone...even more evidence that he didn't have a date with Meredith or any kind of relationship with either Meredith or Amanda. I mean Grinder, if Rudy had a phone, why is there no electronic communication between him and either Meredith or Amanda? If I'm having my first date with a girl, I'm calling or texting to confirm the date.

Read slowly Tesla. He was caught in the nursery. He had stolen items that he said he bought at the train station in Milan. I never believed he bought them in Milan and BEFORE RW's new info was pretty sure he had been at least part of the lawyers' office break-in but now think it just as likely he was a fence that sold stolen Perugian goods in Milan.

Rudy was caught in the Nursery and he told the police that he just slept there....although they found a large knife in his napsack that was TAKEN from the kitchen of the nursery. Rudy was also caught with common burglar's tools a small hammer. But perhaps a window was left unlatched. and he didn't have to "break in". Interesting that the nursery owner Maria Del Prato had arrived with a locksmith to "change the locks" in the nursery because it had been broken into a couple of weeks before and cash was stolen then.

I have little doubt that Rudy might try and sell stuff that he stole in Perugia to people in Milan. In fact, my bet is that he sold Maria Mandu Diaz's mothers gold watch there. That probably fetched a pretty penny. As opposed to maybe at most 200 dollars for the laptop.

informal
deal in (stolen goods).
"after stealing your ring, he didn't even know how to fence it"​

Are you saying he worked in a pawn shop?

????????

Hey RW - where did you get that info on Rudy (just to be nice while asking for something) saying he paid less than the 50 Euros and that he was let in the nursery for the payment?

I really don't know where you are going with all this Grinder. The evidence is pretty damn clear that Rudy..no Rudi was VERY PROBABLY a burglar. Did he sell his stolen items? Probably. If that is what you call a fence, then so be it. I'll accede that we don't know how much money Rudy had. But YOU STILL HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE MAIN QUESTION. Is with this evidence, the computers, the stolen laptop, the breaking and entering at the Nursery. Is Rudy breaking into the cottage MORE PROBABLE than the "staged burglary"?

 

[RWVBWL]

RW, you always write great, provocative posts which I enjoy reading. The main problem I have with this particular theory of yours is that it unnecessarily complicates what otherwise is a very straightforward scenario: by piecing together Guede's MO, the evidence left at the scene, and the tragic fate of Meredith Kercher, the most straightforward conclusion is that Meredith Kercher walked in on Guede's burglary in progress, and he murdered and then sexually violated her.

I guess my main question to you regarding your Kokomani theory is the following: where does it get you that the simpler explanation fails to do? Based on what we know about Guede's history, we do not know him to have worked with a partner. For example, surely Kokomani was not lingering in the shadows somewhere up at the nursery in Milan.

I'm genuinely curious about your hunch on this one; because, although I don't follow you down this particular path, most of the time I think you have very sharp and incisive takes. Do you feel that Kokomani's involvement would explain the scenario's escalating into Meredith's brutal death, for example? But, then, how do you account for his nonexistent profile in the murder room?

Hi JS202,
Thanks for reading my posts,
I try to ad my 2 cents to the discussion, coming from a different point of view.
Back when I 1st started really digging into trying to understand this brutal murder, I read a lot of Perugia Shocks early posts, and the comments too.

As we just learned a few different bits of new info from an overlooked source, The Spanish Erasmus students, I also recall reading in PS comments from a gal from New Zealand, her moniker was Oceania or something like this.

Like the Spanish,
her son was in Perugia studying when Meredith was murdered. She made mention a few times, IIRC, that there was 1 particular dude that her son mentioned Rudy hanging out with, a very scary, mean type of guy.

I've always wondered of this guy.
Who was he, did he play any part whatsoever in Meredith's murder, which the Italian legal system believes was caused by more than 1 individual.

Rudy makes mention off seeing a drug dealer in Meredith's driveway when he went there. Why? What purpose does it serve?

What if Meredith had to walk by a car parked in her driveway entrance?
Rudy was already in her house, and this person ran up and attacked her in the dark as she entered or re-entered her home? Not stabbed her, but grabbed her and took her inside?

There was an old post on LMT's website, with a linked YouTube video, of a foreign gal in Perugia that was followed and then mugged and stabbed with a knife as she entered her flat, in daylight, I seem to remember. I posted a link to it here years ago, I think Mary H. and some other long time posters might remember this. I've been looking for it on YouTube, no luck so far, but it did help me to further understand the drug problems in Perugia.

I'd like to read more about Rudy from the students who interacted with him. The person Oceana's son mentioned has always remained an unknown entity. Rudy must have had a best friend. Was it this guy? Alex, Giacomo, Hekuran? Didn't Kokomani say that Rudy offered him 300E to borrow, err rent his car?

It would be interesting if some more info from Perugia's students came up.
They might know more about Guede than the police did...
RW

 

[Strozzi]

Maybe you missed this or didn't understand it. Post by RW

Seriously though,
I'm takin' a break right now from reading the English translation of Rudy Guede's 2nd interrogation with PM Mignini, the one from March 2008.

Anyways, up to page 52, here's just a few of Guede's statements:
He says he met Amanda Knox on the opening of Le Chic, back on Sept. 4, 2007, but Amanda didn't even move in with Filomena, Laura and Meredith until Sept. 20th, much less start working at Le Chic yet.

He mentions that the guy who let him sleep at the nursery school let him stay there overnight for 20 Euros, (not the 50 Euros that I'd read of before) and the guy let him inside by opening the place with his keys.

Guede mentions that he was using the lawyers stolen phone, but with his own SIM, # 329.1819627.

In this 2nd interrogation, Rudy Guede corrects a statement from his 1st interrogation, the 1 we still don't have access to, and states that on Halloween night, he did not meet Meredith at the party he 1st went to with the Spanish gals, but that he met her at The Domus nightclub around 2 am. He also states the he was there until closing, leaving around 5:00-5:30am.

Guede also mentions that, (supposedly on his 1st date with Meredith) he wore a Eco United t-shirt, a thin Adidas sweater with a gold logo and gold stripes on it, and also a yellow hooded sweater -(a hoodie?) with red and blue writing on it.

He states that Meredith anhe fooled around, not in her bedroom, but in the kitchen/lounge, of all places. And that they both removed their trousers, his words, and he fingered her there. He had to use the restroom, and so Meredith told him to use Filomena's bathroom...
There's some gems in here, have a read if you want more on Rudy Guede's interrogations with PM Mignini.

ETA - while his lying about the date makes perfect sense why would he lie about the amount he paid and the fact that he was let in? I'm sure he wasn't worried about being charged for that and they could check with the Milan police. It also makes more sense why they didn't hold him in the first place if the nursery wasn't broken into.

I definitely believe the 20 Euros as 50 never made sense and that he was let in as no one has said differently and while convicted in Milan of possessing stolen goods he wasn't charged with B&E. IIRC.

Del Prado says she opened the door and walked into her nursery and found a man walking out of her office. It would appear that the door was smashed or jimmied (correct usage). Here watch her account

I wonder how they knew he had stolen keys and what they were for.

Rudy can lie all he wants; it doesn't make it true. Look at what I highlighted above: Rudy's claim that he and Meredith were in the kitchen, had both taken off their trousers, and that she permitted him to engage in a most intimate act with her, when Rudy (of course, sexually aroused) needs to urgently use the toilet - and he then sits there with his headphones on, grooving to the music for so long ??? that two strangers have a window of time to enter the flat and murder Meredith. If Rudy had been engaged in finger arousal/foreplay with Meredith, Rudy would have been in and out of the toilet as fast as he could and would not have delayed or diverted himself by putting on his headphones and cranking up his tunes. He would have rushed back to Meredith as fast as his sphincter would shut tight. (And in his rush to get back to Meredith, Rudy, being the gentleman that he is, would have paused a moment to wash his hands. And, being a local, would have paused another moment to use the scrub brush to scrub the toilet the way they teach you at Erasmus orientation. Right, Sophie?)

 

[RWVBWL]

Excellent points Strozzi!
Guede's a lying liar...

 

[Strozzi]

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[RWVBWL]

Hey RW - where did you get that info on Rudy (just to be nice while asking for something) saying he paid less than the 50 Euros and that he was let in the nursery for the payment?

What?!?
Grinder using a y instead of an i?
Classic!

I posted a bit more on the nursery and the link to Rudy's 2nd Interrogation down below in another post.
See ya, RW

 

[RWVBWL]

Hi all,
Here's a couple of interesting photo's.
The 1st shows Rudy lookin' good, a photo taken in better days,
but I wonder, was he arrested when this mug shot was taken?

If so, for what?

This mug shot below perplexes me a little.

It is the mug shot that Milan police took of him when he was arrested at the nursery.

If you watch the video, Rudy apparently doesn't seem to care about being busted inside the nursery, that's 1 calm, cool dude.
In a nursery school, with stolen goods on him and a big knife...

Rudy said in his 2nd Interrogation with PM Mignini that he was in Milan to go dancing,
and he had stayed with a friend there over the previous days.
But why does he look so disheveled?

From page 35-36
http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/RG-Transcript.pdf

Guede - Yes I can recount it without problems.
Seeing as, and this is something that happened before these days,
that I found myself in a nursery school in Milan
and here I should… basically I had gone to Milan
Pros. Mignini - When was this?
Guede -On the 24th if I’m not wrong
Pros. Mignini Of October
Guede - Of October, I had gone to Milan because it was a friend’s birthday
that I had got to know in Milan, anyway of a guy that I knew and I
went to… because there was this party and we were to go dancing
together and I was to spend a few days in Milan. Then it happened
that the last day which would be between the night of 26 and 27, I
found myself basically, well I couldn’t stay at this friend’s house and
also because we had gone to the discotheque and there I lost sight
of him… what did I think? I said to myself I’ll go to Milan Central
Station and wait for the train. However it must have been about
two… And so stupidly what did I do? I met… I was there and naively I
spoke with anybody and I met this South American person and I
explained my problem that here in Milan even the one star hotels
cost so much and this person said to me “it’s dangerous to say here
the night at the Central Station, I work in a place and you can stay
there until the morning that way you are safe” however you have to
give me 20 Euros. I gave him this money. He took me to this, in this
that turned out to be a nursery school… when I saw it… I naively said
“ok I’ll stay here” and I stayed there until the next morning and this
person had said to me “in the morning I’ll come don’t worry and then
you can leave.” However then in the morning I saw this lady and a
child and some men, I explained everything to the lady, how things
had happened, and I said to the lady to call the Police. Then the
Police came who then seized my cell phone and computer."


Compare the Milan mug shots above to the photo below when he was arrested in Germany and then returned to Italy after being on the run .Disheveled, right?


For some reason I don't think that Rudy Guede was dancing while in Milan.

 

[Samson]

More celebrating by PGP that the busted alibi is big news in Seattle, but...

Amanda Knox always hangs her bag from the right shoulder.
The person in the picture uses the left shoulder. It ain't Amanda. I bet my spot in heaven.

 

[acbytesla]

Rudy can lie all he wants; it doesn't make it true. Look at what I highlighted above: Rudy's claim that he and Meredith were in the kitchen, had both taken off their trousers, and that she permitted him to engage in a most intimate act with her, when Rudy (of course, sexually aroused) needs to urgently use the toilet - and he then sits there with his headphones on, grooving to the music for so long ??? that two strangers have a window of time to enter the flat and murder Meredith. If Rudy had been engaged in finger arousal/foreplay with Meredith, Rudy would have been in and out of the toilet as fast as he could and would not have delayed or diverted himself by putting on his headphones and cranking up his tunes. He would have rushed back to Meredith as fast as his sphincter would shut tight.

Excellent point. Rudy is not going to spend all that time in the john while he's trying to close the deal. No way in hell.

I don't understand Grinder. I really don't. He's a very smart guy, but he seems determined to suggest that the "remotely possible" is some sort of real argument and alternative to the very probable.

The police have argued that the cottage break in was "staged". Yet the evidence that they presented that it was staged, was pretty much non-existent and contradicts the physical evidence. In contrast, the evidence that Rudy Guede was practicing the art of burglary is pretty compelling, while not rising to the level of being able to convict him of the crime with the exception of the nursery.

I don't believe that Rudy had a date with Meredith. I strongly believe that Rudy said this to explain the physical evidence that placed him at the crime scene. There is NOT one person who can verify that Meredith had a date that night. Not Amanda, not Sophie, not Robyn. Also, no one saw Rudy with Meredith together for even a minute the night before on Halloween as Rudy has said.

So why consider any of Rudy's statements to be truthful? Seriously?

 

[acbytesla]

More celebrating by PGP that the busted alibi is big news in Seattle, but...

Amanda Knox always hangs her bag from the right shoulder.
The person in the picture uses the left shoulder. It ain't Amanda. I bet my spot in heaven.

I'd bet that image is not even of a woman. People are really desperate if they cling to that as proof that Amanda's alibi is false.

 

[Strozzi]

After police learned that Rudy's prints were on file in Milan and that he had been detained with items stolen from the Perugia lawyer's office, I believe the police and Dr. Stefanoni could have gone to the lawyer's office and dusted for Rudy's fingerprints on the inside window sill, table, etc. - even though several weeks had lapsed. But they didn't, of course.

Had they done so and come up with a print match, that would be proof that Rudy was inside the room whose window was broken by a rock. Then Mignini would have sworn that Amanda was with Rudy when Rudy broke into the lawyer's office, but that clever Amanda wiped the place clean of her prints and DNA.

 

[Strozzi]

I'd bet that image is not even of a woman. People are really desperate if they cling to that as proof of that Amanda's alibi is false.

Seriously, I wonder if the image might be Toto. His scruffy appearance and dress might produce that kind of blob image.

Were any cars photographed entering or leaving the garage within a few minutes of the image?

 

[Annella]

Excellent points Strozzi!
Guede's a lying liar...

Worth remembering Guede's adoptive mother Signora Caporali saying " Rudy ALWAYS lies to protect himself" No kidding!

Also, Thoughtful/Leila Schneps son knew Guede in Perugia also. I dont have access to anything she may have mentioned elsewhere about the relationship.

 

[RandyN]

Hi all,
Here's a couple of interesting photo's.
The 1st shows Rudy lookin' good, a photo taken in better days,
but I wonder, was he arrested when this mug shot was taken?
[qimg]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/842/r58e5.jpg[/qimg]
If so, for what?

This mug shot below perplexes me a little.
[qimg]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/838/upyz.jpg[/qimg]
It is the mug shot that Milan police took of him when he was arrested at the nursery.

If you watch the video, Rudy apparently doesn't seem to care about being busted inside the nursery, that's 1 calm, cool dude.
In a nursery school, with stolen goods on him and a big knife...

Rudy said in his 2nd Interrogation with PM Mignini that he was in Milan to go dancing,
and he had stayed with a friend there over the previous days.
But why does he look so disheveled?

From page 35-36
http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/RG-Transcript.pdf

Guede - Yes I can recount it without problems.
Seeing as, and this is something that happened before these days,
that I found myself in a nursery school in Milan
and here I should… basically I had gone to Milan
Pros. Mignini - When was this?
Guede -On the 24th if I’m not wrong
Pros. Mignini Of October
Guede - Of October, I had gone to Milan because it was a friend’s birthday
that I had got to know in Milan, anyway of a guy that I knew and I
went to… because there was this party and we were to go dancing
together and I was to spend a few days in Milan. Then it happened
that the last day which would be between the night of 26 and 27, I
found myself basically, well I couldn’t stay at this friend’s house and
also because we had gone to the discotheque and there I lost sight
of him… what did I think? I said to myself I’ll go to Milan Central
Station and wait for the train. However it must have been about
two… And so stupidly what did I do? I met… I was there and naively I
spoke with anybody and I met this South American person and I
explained my problem that here in Milan even the one star hotels
cost so much and this person said to me “it’s dangerous to say here
the night at the Central Station, I work in a place and you can stay there until the morning that way you are safe” however you have to give me 20 Euros. I gave him this money. He took me to this, in this
that turned out to be a nursery school… when I saw it… I naively said
“ok I’ll stay here” and I stayed there until the next morning and this
person had said to me “in the morning I’ll come don’t worry and then
you can leave.” However then in the morning I saw this lady and a
child and some men, I explained everything to the lady, how things
had happened, and I said to the lady to call the Police. Then the
Police came who then seized my cell phone and computer."


Compare the Milan mug shots above to the photo below when he was arrested in Germany and then returned to Italy after being on the run .Disheveled, right?
[qimg]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/842/ejzc.jpg[/qimg]

For some reason I don't think that Rudy Guede was dancing while in Milan.

Well there should be a person who worked at the nursery then who would have been questioned and could verify if he let Guede in or not.

The "place to stay" story still seems bogus since I am quite certain that Guede has an aunt who lives in Milan and this is why he would go there and that he would stay with her.

Did he go to Milan to fence items? Who knows...could very well be.

I don't think the two closely occurring visits to the nursery are unrelated. The first time he made a haul. Several thousand Euros stolen. There should be more about that somewhere if it is true...again a halfway competent reporter could get this info easily...just go and ask the owner. These are simple facts that we just don't have and it seems curious that we don't.

The watch sold for $200? Who knows? The police in Milan had the watch....that much we know. Did they give it back to him? Once again a half azzed reporter should be able to get this info...which would help put together a idea of what really happened with Guede. Its seems that Frank could do this easily if he was so inclined.

The lack of curiosity among the Italians seems remarkable to me.

Today Mario Spezi posted that he released his book about this case and written with D. Preston in Germany. He went on to lament that no Italian publisher would buy the book...and he also noted that no Italian publisher would buy RS book either...and he finished up his commentary with the speculation that if he wrote a "guilt perspective" book that it would be an easy task in Italy to be published.

How is that even possible to control? Why not self publish? Jail? I cant imagine that the Italians would be dumb enough to place RS in jail for selling his book in Italy. How would it be possible?

If Italy is this corrupt then that seems all the more reason to do just that right now. Publish your book and let them arrest you for that. The world is watching right now...next year maybe not. OTOH does GB still have a ban on publishing AK book? That of all things seems the most remarkable of all! Any Brits have a handle on the precedent of that little impediment to speech? Did the Queen order it? ;-)

Where is the list of RG phone contacts and messages? Also something a half baked reporter should be able to get...or if not then to write about the effort and failure and why and who refused to release that.

I would think a defense lawyer in the AK, RS trial should and would have obtained this RG phone data long ago...why not? Because nothing to indicate any contact between RG and AK and RS perhaps is on there? All the more reason to have it then right?

No reason for this missing data in any case. It should be in RG trial and in AK,RS trial. It is critical evidence and if there is no contact that is also evidence of sorts.

There was a story of a guy...a mean guy ....a friend of RG who escaped to GB. Was this Kokomaniac? I dont think so....Kokomaniac escaped to his own country for a while IIRC.

To let the case cool off and or to resupply his drug business? I doubt the timing meant a visit to momma on mothers day.

Someone beside RG mentioned a dark older car in the driveway...the tow truck guy perhaps? Was Kokomaniac the lookout? Could be...no way to know.
I bet it is more likely that Koko was a lookout than for MK to be taking her pants off for RG in the kitchen...did he put his back on to go poo? Did she take hers back into her room? NO!

People just speculating about the words of a known pathological liar. What remains odd is the "soft glove treatment" by Perugia police and prosecutor. That is remarkably strange! All these missing and yet easily obtained details.

Yea sure fast track trial ....I know.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

which would constitute the more objective information?

The early days when they leaked the pen knife and the consensual sexual information...

We have been through this before. What evidence did the authorities have on whether or not the sex were consensual? I am not saying that a colposcope is perfect, but I would trust information gleaned from this sort of exam over someone from ILE giving his or her opinions, for obvious reasons.

 

[Poppy1016]

I'd bet that image is not even of a woman. People are really desperate if they cling to that as proof of that Amanda's alibi is false.

That image has already accomplished what it was meant to accomplish.

 

[anglolawyer]

I'd bet that image is not even of a woman. People are really desperate if they cling to that as proof of that Amanda's alibi is false.

As I recently said, the PGP are bears of little brain. Why are they so excited about this ridiculous shot of 'Amanda' when the case against her is supposedly so overwhelming and it doesn't actually fit anyway? (she is heading away from the apartment) not that they worry much about stuff not fitting. If I were as convinced of her guilt as they are I would be dismissing this picture as an irrelevant side-show. The fact they have latched onto it suggests surprising desperation right after Nonsencini gave them what they want. Or did he?

 

[Desert Fox]

Rudy can lie all he wants; it doesn't make it true. Look at what I highlighted above: Rudy's claim that he and Meredith were in the kitchen, had both taken off their trousers, and that she permitted him to engage in a most intimate act with her, when Rudy (of course, sexually aroused) needs to urgently use the toilet - and he then sits there with his headphones on, grooving to the music for so long ??? that two strangers have a window of time to enter the flat and murder Meredith. If Rudy had been engaged in finger arousal/foreplay with Meredith, Rudy would have been in and out of the toilet as fast as he could and would not have delayed or diverted himself by putting on his headphones and cranking up his tunes. He would have rushed back to Meredith as fast as his sphincter would shut tight. (And in his rush to get back to Meredith, Rudy, being the gentleman that he is, would have paused a moment to wash his hands. And, being a local, would have paused another moment to use the scrub brush to scrub the toilet the way they teach you at Erasmus orientation. Right, Sophie?)

I need to throw in my support of this statement as well.