Continuation Part Eight: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[anglolawyer]

Such a joke, never mind that no one else is apparent in the room aside from Rudy. But seriously, why would Rudy go along with Amanda in killing Meredith. She met both only two weeks before? Why would he do do this. Why would Raffaeal after just one week? Because Raffaele would do anything for sex from Amanda?

Do these people actually think about how bizarre this is before they write it?

Here you are stuck in the continuous loop of the case. Your questions are irrelevant because motive need not be proven. Meanwhile, it is OK to make up anything (sex game, satanic ritual, theft, row about crap) and expect everyone to nod sagely and say aaahhh so! Then you butt in and say 'why would Rudy do X? Why would they do Y?' and they say motive need not be proven .....

 

[Rolfe]

Are the judges allowed just to make up anything they like? Did the prosecution propose any of this? How is the defence supposed to know what they're defending against?

Rolfe.

 

[Bill Williams]

What's happened is Nencini has published. Those who predicted his 377 page motivation would be bull **** were wrong. It's much worse. It is littered with crazy factual errors, for one thing. Examples:

1. He thinks the knife blade is 31cm long
2. He thinks they found Raffaele's DNA mixed with Meredith's on the blade (a real show-stopper that one)
3. but maybe topped by the finding of extra female profiles on the bra clasp!

Also, he has gone through a worm hole back to 2008 and found

1. Raf called the cops after the posties arrived
2. A female shoe print was found in the murder room

Some interesting time line points are that Naruto gives an alibi up to 'about' 9.20. They got to the apartment between 9.30 and 10.00. She was killed before 10 I think. They let Rudy in. Amanda wielded the machete while Raffaele employed a smaller knife. Rudy used no knife at all. He got his finger cuts some time later. Meredith screamed (I.e. an hour and a half before Nara heard it but that was because it had to travel into the valley and bounce back as an echo - er, I made that bit up I realise it's hard to tell) There was a clean up. The murder was over money. It must have been Amanda who stole the rent money because how else could Rudy know the amount boggled: I didn't make that up). Stefanoni is vindicated. The negative controls no one has ever seen were filed in 2008 and it was rotten to suggest otherwise therefore she is a good scientist while Conti and Vechiotti are bad ones . There was an all night clean up in which Amanda's fingerprints were selectively removed from the whole house. It is irrelevant that Rudy did not know Raf because they both knew Amanda.

And so on. Some here think it might all be a very deep joke but I believe he is actually serious. I may be out on a limb there.

One Italian-speaker has said that Nencini calls those female profiles on the clasp Y-Haplotypes.

Nencini also believes that Amanda herself wielded the knife against Meredith. Yet he also says there is no clean-up in that room, either. He leaves it unexplained how Amanda could have done what he alleges without leaving a forensic profile there.

The Italian reader also says that Nencini believes the reason the door was locked was because the room inside could not be cleaned.

Lessee.... what else.

One of the reasons why Nencini says that Raffaele called 112 AFTER the arrival of the postal police is because when the door was kicked in, no one really could account for Raffaele's presence anywhere.

Nencini takes Rudy Guede's word for it that there was a dispute, and it was over rent money. Yes - the only person that guilters and innocenters alike agree is a liar, is used as a sole source for the motive to this crime.

So to summarize, Nencini believes Rudy Guede about the argument over money, but Nencini thinks Rudy is lying about stressing that it was Meredith who let him in. Nencini says Amanda let him in. Nencini also seems to hint that Meredith and Rudy had had conversations about how Meredith was irked by Amanda.... but if their conversations were this intimate, why does Nencini still need Amanda letting him in? Wouldn't Meredith have let her confidante in?

Nencini also argues that the reason why Rudy would not have broken in through Filomena's window, was that he was a professional burglar, and a locked front door would not have been an obstacle for him. Guede would also never have defecated during a burglary, says Nencini, because he was too much of a professional to take his eye of the ball on business. So he must have been there at someone's invitation - meaning, Amanda et him in.

The Italian reader says that often in the report at one place a point is developed, and then not used later on when relevant, leading the reader to belief that the report had multiple authors and was clumsily stitched together.

 

[anglolawyer]

Are the judges allowed just to make up anything they like? Did the prosecution propose any of this? How is the defence supposed to know what they're defending against?

Rolfe.

Are you nuts?


Anglolawyer

ETA note to mods - this is a friendly jibe at the naïvety of the question. Rolfe will understand.

 

[Rolfe]

Indeed. Fair comment!

Rolfe.

 

[JREF2010]

Are the judges allowed just to make up anything they like? Did the prosecution propose any of this? How is the defence supposed to know what they're defending against?

Rolfe.

This is how it works in Italy, here's a few pointers:

1) DNA is not needed because a lot of cases are solved without DNA.

2) Motivations arent needed because motivations arent required.

3) Cell phone logs are subjective and so those are meaningless too.

3) ToD isnt really important. The forensic data wasnt gathered anyway.

4)Screams heard are important for ToD. ToD is very important.

5) Heroin Bums are Super-Witnesses.

6) College kids with clean records are not believable, they are Liars.

7) Any object is not incompatible for the murder weapon.




and don't forget cartwheels and interrogations without defence lawyers present, and no recordings because of budget cuts from 10pm to 630am.

I think I'll puke on Nencini's picture.

 

[Dan O.]

I mapped them out cody,,but not one online that I know of. The farthest away from Rudy's apartment outside the nursery in Milan was the law office which is about 3 blocks from the cottage. I'd guess that they are all within 4 football pitches of his apartment.

If you provide those addresses and the sources that validate them I'll add them to my google map that is online here: http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/merediths-cell-phone-helps-pinpoint-time-of-death/

 

[Strozzi]

Andrea Vogt discusses the Nencini motivation document:

http://thefreelancedesk.com/amanda-knox-trials-meredith-kercher-case/



As I recall, Vecchiotti and Continue were asked by the court to review the evidence showing Raffaele's DNA on the bra clasp and Meredith's DNA on the kitchen knife. They did not review all of the DNA evidence used in this case, just these two that are critical to the prosecution case.

How does evidence that negative controls were done when processing other samples preclude contamination on these specific samples?

Why does the court care that a sample showing Amanda's DNA is on the handle of a kitchen knife found where she helped her boyfriend cook was not tested by V&C?

Is a kit to collect low template DNA relavent when you don't have a lab certified to process low template DNA?

Andrea Vogt's statements notwithstanding, I cannot trust Stefanoni's word because she testified falsely in several hearings before different judges about the quantity and quality of scientific (DNA) evidence she collected, possessed, and examined; she failed to document her sample and equipment controls (if any) and has concealed the documentation; she tests LCN DNA without the requisite lab equipment and controls necessary to process and analyze it; she claims absurdly that she has never had contamination in her lab, which tells me that she does not test and treat for contamination or else lies about its non-occurrence; she produces analyses (pulls rabbits out of the hat) at crucial times when the prosecution is desperate for condemnatory evidence against the accused; and she falsifies interpretation of evidence.

Other than that, she is a fine scientist - one that many heavy-handed police systems would love to have running their crime labs.

 

[acbytesla]

If you provide those addresses and the sources that validate them I'll add them to my google map that is online here: http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/merediths-cell-phone-helps-pinpoint-time-of-death/

The law office Dan of Paolo Brocchi and Matteo Palazzoli is at Via Del Rosetto 3
Ms. Maria Mandu Diaz is actually right next door to Rudy's apartment less than 30 feet from his front door.Christian was a bartender at the Domus Disco and I can't find his address at this time. I know it was close to his work at Merlin.

 

[acbytesla]

Here you are stuck in the continuous loop of the case. Your questions are irrelevant because motive need not be proven. Meanwhile, it is OK to make up anything (sex game, satanic ritual, theft, row about crap) and expect everyone to nod sagely and say aaahhh so! Then you butt in and say 'why would Rudy do X? Why would they do Y?' and they say motive need not be proven .....

Apparently Grinder is in full agreement with you. Contrary to the assertions, most crimes have some rationale for happening. There have been crimes where multiple people have been involved that are horrible, but they don't really happen when the people don't really know each other. Some level of trust and bond has to be made before people will commit crimes with each other. Particularly violent crimes. Nencini's decision and motivation is downright nuts.

 

[JREF2010]

Apparently Grinder is in full agreement with you. Contrary to the assertions, most crimes have some rationale for happening. There have been crimes where multiple people have been involved that are horrible, but they don't really happen when the people don't really know each other. Some level of trust and bond has to be made before people will commit crimes with each other. Particularly violent crimes. Nencini's decision and motivation is downright nuts.

Well you recall one of Massei's juror/pretend judges said "we can all drink too much then drive." So that pretty much explains it all for them.

With this kind of ignorant trial syndrome happening in front of our eyes, its normal illogically that the PGP are salivating on the slander and vindictive words of Nencini. He after all is blaming Amanda as the main perp, which is the Holy Bible to the PGP. very strange indeed...

 

[RWVBWL]

Hi Grinder,
It is Rudy, not Rudi.

Once again, by his own hand, written on the last page of his German Prison Diary:


What more proof do you need???

If Rudi is how the vast majority of Italian documents spell it, they are wrong.
Please stop repeating the mistake.
Have a good one!
RW

Hi Grinder,
Here's a link with a photograph Guede's REPUBBLICA ITALIANA photo ID.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2009/09/12/amanda-knox-murder-trial-taking-aim-at-rudy-guede/

His name is Rudy Hermann Guede.
His birthdate is 26.12.1986

What more proof do you need?


Guede, using probably the same hand that held the knife that murdered Meredith, that left his DNA inside her lifeless body,
signs his name Rudy, not Rudi.

Why are you so hardheaded about this simple fact?
Because some court papers spelled it wrong?
Come on...
RW


PS-For fun, years ago me and the boyz, drinkin' and partyin', Googled our names.
Mine, Randy Wright has some football quarterback, some reptile dude, and me, surfin+sharks.
And some chick, who spells her name with an i instead of a y, Randi, who does porno...

 

[Strozzi]

Rudy had sufficient physical superiority over Meredith, along with a knife, to overpower her in the manner of his choosing, thus a range of forensic configurations of the room become plausible. It makes more sense to take the one that exists, and the fact only one footprint set is found, to let Rudy own the whole crime, and make the best attempt at a theory of exactly what happened, as has been done exhaustively here and elsewhere. This would be the case in 99.9% of homicides with this evidence set. Mignini created the fiction of more than one assailant.

The physical evidence in Merdedith's bedroom is consistent with a quick assault. This was not a lengthy back-and-forth, give-and-take, punch and kick and karate-chop struggle. Meredith was cornered at her bed by Guede who had his knife to her throat. Whether intentional or by accident as she tried to maneuver away, Guede's knife sliced her - the blood spray up the wall shows it happened.

Within a few seconds of charging through her door, Guede was upon her with his knife at her throat. She had no time to react, except to stand up at the head of her bed. She was attacked by one aggressive/trapped burglar with his knife at her throat, NOT Mignini's fantasy group of 3 people (2 of whom never met) cooperating to restrain Meredith.

Meredith's father buys into Mignini's story that Meredith's lack of aggressive defensive wounds must be because she was restrained by multiple attackers. That is a false theory that does not match other evidence or non-evidence in the room. Meredith's lack of aggressive defensive wounds is explained by Guede's knife to her neck. The blood spray on her wall shows this. She went down quick - possibly force to the floor by Guede. She was contained and overpowered quickly - as evidenced by the blood spray from head/neck wounds on the wall at the head of her bed which occurred probably within moments of standing up from her bed as her attacker rushed in the room.

I will point out again that Guede, an experienced basketball player, must have been very practiced (as basketball players are) in surging forwards 5 or 10 feet with arms outstretched to contain and corner an opponent. He charged in and was upon her in a few seconds.

 

[RWVBWL]

The law office Dan of Paolo Brocchi and Matteo Palazzoli is at Via Del Rosetto 3
Ms. Maria Mandu Diaz is actually right next door to Rudy's apartment less than 30 feet from his front door.Christian was a bartender at the Domus Disco and I can't find his address at this time. I know it was close to his work at Merlin.

Hi ACbyTesla,
In a 5th of May, 2008 posting,
Frank Sfarzo talked with Christian, he writes that CT recognized Guede as a neighbor, and that Guede was packin' a knife...

Here's a snip:
Meet the "monster"
I just finished speaking in some way with Christian T., who I reached in his hometown. It was a difficult way to speak, with someone in the middle. But that's what Christian said. It was a warm night in September, he was sleeping with his Polish girlfriend Monika in his elevated loft bed. Some noise woke him up. He looked down and he saw a black boy searching in their drawers. The guest had entered through a window they had left open and he wasn't aware that someone was sleeping in the room, since the bed was elevated.

Christian realized it was his neighbor, Rudy, who he knew only by sight. He told him to go away. Rudy thought it would be better to leave the house like a gentleman, through the door and not through the window. But the door was defective and he had trouble opening it.
Christian wasn't very hospitable. He even didn't ask him if he needed to use the toilet. He rushed Rudy and yelled at him to go, which was exactly what Rudy was trying to do. At this point, since Christian was insisting, Rudy pulled out a knife and showed it to him.Christian just told him not to be stupid because he knew who he was and he could tell the police. Rudy said, "But if the door is blocked, how can I go away?"

So, Christian helped him open the door and Rudy went away. Like this. Without raping his girlfriend, without even killing the both of them, even though he was recognized.

Link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20101015182701/http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2008_05_01_archive.html


Christian awoke to a black boy searchin' in his drawers?!?
I wonder if Guede left his DNA there, like he did inside Meredith's bedroom.
Wasn't Meredith's $$$ missing?

 

[acbytesla]

Well you recall one of Massei's juror/pretend judges said "we can all drink too much then drive." So that pretty much explains it all for them.

With this kind of ignorant trial syndrome happening in front of our eyes, its normal illogically that the PGP are salivating on the slander and vindictive words of Nencini. He after all is blaming Amanda as the main perp, which is the Holy Bible to the PGP. very strange indeed...

I know, Rudy leaves at least a half a dozen of his shoeprints in Meredith's blood, his palm print in Meredith's blood, his DNA in 5 locations in that bedroom. Meredith leaves nothing...but I guess Nencini is now saying that a previous print linked to Rudy is now a woman's size 35 shoe and is compatible with Amanda and that means that Amanda delivered the fatal blow. Made up totally from whole cloth.

 

[RandyN]

Andrea Vogt discusses the Nencini motivation document:

http://thefreelancedesk.com/amanda-knox-trials-meredith-kercher-case/



As I recall, Vecchiotti and Continue were asked by the court to review the evidence showing Raffaele's DNA on the bra clasp and Meredith's DNA on the kitchen knife. They did not review all of the DNA evidence used in this case, just these two that are critical to the prosecution case.

How does evidence that negative controls were done when processing other samples preclude contamination on these specific samples?

Why does the court care that a sample showing Amanda's DNA is on the handle of a kitchen knife found where she helped her boyfriend cook was not tested by V&C?

Is a kit to collect low template DNA relavent when you don't have a lab certified to process low template DNA?

A kit that according to Vogts story about Nencinis motivation was available in 2011 ....notice how she neglects to mention that no such kit was available to Stefanoni in 2007 ?

I find the Vogt story and Nencinis points strangely Yummiesque. Anyone else notice that?

 

[RWVBWL]

If you provide those addresses and the sources that validate them I'll add them to my google map that is online here: http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/merediths-cell-phone-helps-pinpoint-time-of-death/

Nice map, Dan O.
Can you also do another map, 1 from Rudy Guede's 2nd interrogation with PM Mignini,
an alternate Guede path than what yours shows?

Using Rudy's own words, let's see where he walked when he went to meet Meredith on their 1st "date".

Also, can you put in the location of Tana dell’Orso too?

Is it here(?)
http://www.tavernadellorso.it/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=54
Località S.Egidio, 1km dopo il paese direzione Ripa Strada s.Egidio-Civitella 7, 06134 Perugia

The photo's of the place look like a nice place to kick back with friends...
This is a place where Amanda, Raff, Meredith, and English gal friends had drank some wine just a coupla days before her murder.

Keep in mind that near Tana dell'Orso was the kebab takeaway,
from where Rudy Guede had a kebab sandwich, as mentioned in page 34 of his 2nd interrogation with Mignini.

Guede's interrogation has him, after leaving Meredith's flat that night, walking by the basketball court where he sees some guys, whom he believes are The Chinese, playin' ball. Guede seems to know the streets and steps of Perugia fairly well, he mentions alotta detail in this interrogation when describing his travels to visit friends and Meredith, have a read from page 60:

Pros. Mignini - Yes, then you left
Guede - Well indeed I left the house and anyway I headed towards my house.
Pros. Mignini What route did you take?
Guede - I did, I left Meredith’s house and I took the steps, I mean, there are
these steps
Pros. Mignini - I understand, those alongside the court
Guede - The basketball court
Pros. Mignini - Understood. Did you come across anybody?
Guede - Well I can tell you that I went along the… there’s the basketball
court, the road parallel to it and at that time there were some guys,
now I wouldn’t be able to say if they were Chinese, however
because usually at that time the Chinese play, even though it’s dark
they are there and I saw these people with a basketball.
Pros. Mignini - But anybody coming down the steps, did you…
Napoleoni - Did you meet anybody?
Guede - No, no
Pros. Mignini - You don’t remember, and so you then went towards …
Guede - Then what I did, well why did I do this? For fear, because I was all…
the hands covered in blood, I would have preferred to go along
Corso Garibaldi however seeing as there were so many people
about at that time, because there are the bars, Pizza restaurants, the
University, I don’t know if you know of the steps that descend to the
side of the University that then go back up to the top.
Pros. Mignini - Yes
Guede - I took that route and I came out a bit further ahead of [illegible] after
via Tedesca now I don’t remember exactly which road and then I
headed to my house. On via del Canerino.
Pros. Mignini - Where did you wash yourself?
Guede - Eh I went into my house and I headed, there’s a launderette where I
live and there were some rags and I think, I don’t think I touched any
of these rags and then after I’d washed my hands in the basin
however…

http://murderofmeredithkercher.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/RG-Transcript.pdf

A map of this, from Guede's own words, would be nice to see.
RW

 

[Sonia]

CCTV footage

Why are all the recent stories written as if the CCTV footage is new? I remember reading about the same CCTV clip in the first half of November 2007. In fact, I double-checked my memory by looking up one of the stories from Nov. 2007, in which

[a] police source in Perugia, said: “It will be interesting to see what she has to say when we show her the footage.”

Have they waited 6.5 years to show it to her, then? What is the meaning of rehashing the old carpark video now? They are ridiculous.

 

[Samson]

Are the judges allowed just to make up anything they like? Did the prosecution propose any of this? How is the defence supposed to know what they're defending against?

Rolfe.

It seems that a huge amount is anchored to the knife still. The Machine for example has just said

Meredith was sexually assaulted and slaughtered like an animal. Judge Massei and Judge Nencini both accept that Sollecito's kitchen knife was the murder weapon.

Because their holy grail is Amanda does the killing, the knife matters. Legal fact now sustains these miserable creatures.

 

[RandyN]

The physical evidence in Merdedith's bedroom is consistent with a quick assault. This was not a lengthy back-and-forth, give-and-take, punch and kick and karate-chop struggle. Meredith was cornered at her bed by Guede who had his knife to her throat. Whether intentional or by accident as she tried to maneuver away, Guede's knife sliced her - the blood spray up the wall shows it happened.

Within a few seconds of charging through her door, Guede was upon her with his knife at her throat. She had no time to react, except to stand up at the head of her bed. She was attacked by one aggressive/trapped burglar with his knife at her throat, NOT Mignini's fantasy group of 3 people (2 of whom never met) cooperating to restrain Meredith.

Meredith's father buys into Mignini's story that Meredith's lack of aggressive defensive wounds must be because she was restrained by multiple attackers. That is a false theory that does not match other evidence or non-evidence in the room. Meredith's lack of aggressive defensive wounds is explained by Guede's knife to her neck. The blood spray on her wall shows this. She went down quick - possibly force to the floor by Guede. She was contained and overpowered quickly - as evidenced by the blood spray from head/neck wounds on the wall at the head of her bed which occurred probably within moments of standing up from her bed as her attacker rushed in the room.

I will point out again that Guede, an experienced basketball player, must have been very practiced (as basketball players are) in surging forwards 5 or 10 feet with arms outstretched to contain and corner an opponent. He charged in and was upon her in a few seconds.

I concur...and in addition... the clumps of ripped out hair indicate the force being used against Miss Kercher.

If someone is yanking you around by your hair strongly enough to rip large clumps of that hair out then you are not likely going to be able to put on much of a defense.

The excuses presented by the prosecution about defensive wounds or lack thereof are nothing but meaningless speculation not backed by anything.

Jodi Arias attacked and killed a much larger man. He had hundreds of wounds and yet no one held him or assisted her in any way that we know of. Maybe she shot him first in the face...but that is not what the prosecution claimed. But the point is that it was a simple matter for Guede to quickly overpower MK. She was trapped. Either in her room already or else she ran into there...and the attack was swift or else she may have tried to get out a window or whatever...

He simply and easily and quickly overwhelmed her. This is not even hard to imagine...in fact it is common. Smaller girl surprised and overcome by a killer.

I cant understand how the judicial system accepts multiple attackers with no proof of that at all. Nothing! Not prints, not DNA, not even a logical motivation. But somehow these stupid ridiculous speculations go on in Italian court without resistance. No one laughing in the face of such stupidity. No objections, no demands for proof.

And so we get a 3rd major trial judge claiming the most bizarre and already disproved conclusions as facts. RS is now on the knife? Girls Y haplotype? I guess the Italians are teaching us all about DNA. RS call to police?

I agree with your source Bill...this stuff seems pieced together by a couple of idiot clowns...a few we may know...not from here of course...but Yummi comes instantly to mind. Mignini seems to be screaming out from this report. But how would that be possible?

At least the report seems nutty enough to finally gain the attention as to the corrupt and or incompetence level of this whole case.

It looks ominous! ;-)