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Zener card telepathy test.

I see the "Wavy Lines" card but you have changed the card three times since you opened this thread. Circle, Square, Wavy Lines.
 
Nolan Coppenger said:
I see the "Wavy Lines" card but you have changed the card three times since you opened this thread. Circle, Square, Wavy Lines.
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Are you saying he's cheating?!?!?

Ian you devil :D

Ian, I voted on the poll but felt no particular urge to pick anyone. I hope you don't consider this cheating but it was a random guess.

I picked one of the 2 in the middle. I'm going to make a prediction, I predict that a vast majority of the people pick the options in the middle. I think that when there is no difference between A,B,C, or D most people will choose either B or C.

Though it's not a fair prediction because I've already voted and seen the results, I bet you would see the same results if you mixed up the order of the cards and posted them on a different site.
 
Interesting Ian said:
What's the point in lying? Why do you deliberately want to mess the poll up??
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Because it's a pointless exercise. Even Rupert Sheldrake designs better experiments than this.
 
I meditated few a for few minutes and I managed to link my mind with Ian's (by the way, Ian, I like the new vase in the living room), and I could see Ian had pulled the SQUARE.
 
Last month I did as a subject a Remote Viewing experiment on internet for a french Believer website.

The task was to guess what was in two mailboxs. You could read after the experiment (if you didn't cheat) the answers from the others. Most of them tought they were true psychic or medium.

None of them was even close to the objects who were in the mailboxs.

So I ask the parapsychologist what was is interpretation of this results and he says:

"Well, the litterature in parapsychology have established that internet experiment don't work that well. It seems that internet is not a good media for Psi..."

So, even if Ian test does'nt have anything paranormal results at the end, he won't change anything in the discussion... :D
 
Yahweh said:
I meditated few a for few minutes and I managed to link my mind with Ian's (by the way, Ian, I like the new vase in the living room), and I could see Ian had pulled the SQUARE.
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It's not a vase, it's a urinal. Why it is in his living room, I have no idea.
 
The card is near water, but I can't identify it precisely. It could be water in a tank or bowl or even pipes.

There is something angular near the card. I see corners....right angles. Perhaps wood or wood veneer.

Also, there are books in the room.
 
Ladewig said:
Also, there are books in the room.
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But not the kind of books you see in most people's homes... books on more esoteric things... philosophy, unexplained phenomena, that sort of thing. I'm seeing a name like... it looks almost like Grenade... Steve Grenade, or something close to that? Does this mean something to you?
 
Interesting Ian said:
What's the point in lying? Why do you deliberately want to mess the poll up??
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(groan...)

Ian, that you can even ask that question is testament to your incredible gullibility.

You have to count on people cheating on tests like these. Or any kind of test.

The question is not whether or not people will cheat, but what you will do to prevent it. That's why skeptics ask all these darned questions, that's why skeptics question questionable experiments.

Trust a participant in a test, and you are bound to be fooled. Just like you just were.
 
I guess that the problem is that there will be results of some sort or other. Say differences between hits between believers and sceptics or just preferences between believers and sceptics. Where there are data there are differences. But beyond any "significance" that might arise one must recognize the there is nothing really there. This type of casual inquiry cannot be "suggestive" or "support" any other work or even "demonstrate" anything whatsoever.

The difficulty with dealing with people who abandon reason and sober inquiry for belief is that they loose track of the fact that bad research indicates nothing one way or the other.

Shoddy research supports no position whatsoever.

(ahem)
SHODDY RESEARCH
(Barret Strong, Norman Whitfield/Edwin Star and Ed)

Shoddy Research
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Shoddy Research
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Shoddy Research is something that I despise
For it means destruction of innocent lives
For it means tears in thousands of mothers' eyes
When their sons go out to spead those lies

Shoddy Research
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again
Shoddy Research
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing

Shoddy Research
It's nothing but a heartbreaker
Shoddy Research
Friend only to the non-thinker
Shoddy Research is the enemy of all mankind
The thought of Shoddy Research blows my mind
Handed down from generation to generation
Induction destruction
Who wants to be stupid

Shoddy Research
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again
Shoddy Research
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing

Shoddy Research has shattered many young men's dreams
Made them disabled bitter and mean
Life is too precious to be doingg Shoddy Research
each day
Shoddy Research can't give smarts it can only take it away

Shoddy Research
It's nothing but a heartbreaker
Shoddy Research
Friend only to the non-thinker
Peace love and understanding
There must be some place for these things today
They say we must be stupid to be happy
But Lord there's gotta be a better way
That's better than
Shoddy Research

Shoddy Research
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again
Shoddy Research
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
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Diamond said:
Originally posted by Interesting Ian
I'll conduct a post-hoc analysis afterwards.


Dia
No, do your post hoc analysis before. That would really be paranormal! [/B]
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Still no-ones picked up on my post-hoc analysis :rolleyes:
 
Dr Adequate said:
Isn't it time for Darat to Reveal All? Or Interesting Ian, of course.
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It was the square. I'm delighted that one believer managed to telepathically receive this knowledge.

On a more serious note, it is quite clear that any anomalous cognition effects are being swamped by the order that I put the symbols.
 
Interesting Ian said:
On a more serious note, it is quite clear that any anomalous cognition effects are being swamped by the order that I put the symbols.
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Or there aren't any anomalous cognition effects.
 
Interesting Ian said:
It was the square. I'm delighted that one believer managed to telepathically receive this knowledge.

On a more serious note, it is quite clear that any anomalous cognition effects are being swamped by the order that I put the symbols.
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It is quite clear that the only thing this "test" measured was the willingness of people to respond.
 
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