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Zener card telepathy test.

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OK, I randomly selected a zener card. A cut out of the symbol is in front of me now, and will remain next to my keyboard for the next 3 days which is the time period when the poll will be open.

Here are what the 5 symbols look like. The 5 symbols are called Square, Star, Cross, Waves, and Circle (they were mentioned in a random order here, and also they are in a random order in the actual poll).

I will reveal the symbol on Tuesday the 2nd of November. I have pm'd Darat the identity of the symbol in front of me.
 
Ian,

You recognize that there is an order effect in responding? That is to say that one position will get a larger response than others regardless of whether or not you are "transmitting". Typically the possible responses would be randomized.

Not a biggie for a casual experiment like this but it does make your results uninterpretable and not discriminably different from an anecdote.
 
Umm, Ian, why do you ask whether or not people are believers or sceptics? I lied and said I am a believer. What are you trying to prove here?
 
asthmatic camel said:
Umm, Ian, why do you ask whether or not people are believers or sceptics? I lied and said I am a believer. What are you trying to prove here?


The silly contention that "believers" are more sensitive.
 
Not to mention we can view the other votes before we vote outselves, and deliberately skew the results.
 
Ed said:
Ian,

You recognize that there is an order effect in responding? That is to say that one position will get a larger response than others regardless of whether or not you are "transmitting". Typically the possible responses would be randomized.

Not a biggie for a casual experiment like this but it does make your results uninterpretable and not discriminably different from an anecdote.

Yes. Hopeless as a proper test. Just a bit of funny basically.
 
He might be trying to find out who does better on average at the tests out of sceptics and believers or if there is any significant difference.

I remember reading a report on similar experiments, saying the following groups of people done much better on average :
Artists
Open minded / believers
Creative people
Eccentrics
Children

It also said that women, on average, do far better than men in the tests and that mental illnesses can have an impact as well.
 
asthmatic camel said:
Umm, Ian, why do you ask whether or not people are believers or sceptics? I lied and said I am a believer. What are you trying to prove here?

What's the point in lying? Why do you deliberately want to mess the poll up??
 
jambo372 said:
He might be trying to find out who does better on average at the tests out of sceptics and believers or if there is any significant difference.

I remember reading a report on similar experiments, saying the following groups of people done much better on average :
Artists
Open minded / believers
Creative people
Eccentrics
Children

It also said that women, on average, do far better than men in the tests and that mental illnesses can have an impact as well.

I'll conduct a post-hoc analysis afterwards.
 
I rolled a dice because I had no feelings towards any particular card.
 
Interesting Ian said:
Very clever I'm sure. Another person trying to mess my poll up :rolleyes:
But maybe the idea of rolling a dice and the exact movement of my hands while doing it were somehow telepathically transmitted?
 
Joyrex said:
But maybe the idea of rolling a dice and the exact movement of my hands while doing it were somehow telepathically transmitted?
To deny this possibility would be at least as absurd as everything else connected with this experiment.

I was quite taken with the wavy lines, so had to force myself not to succumb to its appeal.

Say, Ian, is this a test of telepathy, remote viewing, precognition, micro-PK, or back-travel micro-PK?

~~ Paul
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
Excellent. Often people seem to think that they can distinguish the sub-genres of anomalous cognition.

~~ Paul

Well, suppose that there is a trait that is linked to some effect or the other and suppose the trait occurs very infrequently. That trait would then occur in the experimental pool randomly thus giving small and unpredictable positive results. The issue with "random" drawing of a test population has to do with the question "random with respect to what?". Same thingie with political polling or any other sampling application. The example that is used in classrooms is the black and white ping pong balls in a jar analogy. What is left unsaid is that the purple balls refuse to be choosen.

Not that this makes a jot of difference to the lack of experimental evidence however. It has gone on far too long with bupkus to show for it to make any appeal to this notion plausable in the slightest. I mention it to show how dangerous I would be if I went to the "Dark Side(tm)".

Bwaaahahahaahahaahaahaahahaha
 
Interesting Ian said:
Let's just say anomalous cognition.
A phrase which often comes to mind when I read your posts. [/kidding]

Seriously, folks, don't mess with Ian's statistics.

Ian: was the card chosen at random?

jambo: This report --- you couldn't give us a reference, could you?
 
I notice that, at the time of my posting this, no one has opted for the square. If it turns out to be the square, will Ian claim some sort of inverse intuition?
 

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