ZEITGEIST, The Movie

Can you give me some examples of my failures? I'm happy to learn more.
No, I'm afraid that's already been done for you enough in this thread. There comes a point when something has been pointed out to you so many times and you still don't get it, you just have to look inwardly and figure it out for yourself.
 
No, I'm afraid that's already been done for you enough in this thread. There comes a point when something has been pointed out to you so many times and you still don't get it, you just have to look inwardly and figure it out for yourself.

Not the old "figure it out yourself"-routine, please, Cisco. Personally, if I give negative feedback I do try and make it specific. I think this is only fair, really.

Nick
 
Thanks for sending that link. I was kind of thinking that was the case, but didn't feel like I was in a position to make personal assumptions about either of the two because there was already so much speculation.

It sounds like, according to Price, that Dorothy is starting to feel the pressure of making too lofty of claims and is starting to pull back on her arguments to authority and focus on the subject from a more classical comparative standpoint. If so, then bravo and good for her (and Price). I guess I find it odd that there's no mention of going back and revising her prior poor scholarship, but then again there might be more going on than we're hearing about (and, frankly, I don't much care for the personal stuff).

Thing is, it doesn't much change a few things: 1) arguments of Horus influencing the Jesus story are baseless; 2) almost all of the correlative observations between religions-- including the popular "Jesus and everyone else" theories-- are not indicative of causation or inter-relation; 3) the Zeiteist film tells about as much "truth" as a politician testifying in front of a grand jury, and often far less than that.

You are certainly not going to get an argument from me here.
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/transcript.htm#S33
[S33] - Churchward, Albert: The Origin & Evolution of Religion, Page 135
 

Oh my goodness, I forgot about those citations! Yeah, when in doubt, use the nineteenth-century anti-mason writings who blamed everything bad that ever happened, in some form or manner, on a fraternity of men who like to play dress-up and drink beer together (and nowadays have conventions close to red-light districts).

Damn, that's another thing I should include.

Senor Lobo Quixote: Should I format this in a Word doc or a PDF?
 
Ahh, yes. You're right of course. The Bush administration, along with jref poster regan69 are omniscient. The rest of us poor saps are fallible humans non-party to visions of the future.

Thanks for pointing that out to us, sir.


Do you honestly, honestly, honestly believe that the Bush Administration did all they have done in the name of spreading terror and the war on democracy? Sorry, I meant spreading democracy and the war on terror! Always get those two mixed up! :) Seriously though, with all that has played out and all they have achieved since 9/11 (in the field of resource security and the extension of US military bases to every corner of the globe) do you really belive it is bacause of a war on terror? Cos if you do then fair enough, but if you don't I'd be interested in hearing your reasons...
 
Do you honestly, honestly, honestly believe that the Bush Administration did all they have done in the name of spreading terror and the war on democracy? Sorry, I meant spreading democracy and the war on terror! Always get those two mixed up! :) Seriously though, with all that has played out and all they have achieved since 9/11 (in the field of resource security and the extension of US military bases to every corner of the globe) do you really belive it is bacause of a war on terror? Cos if you do then fair enough, but if you don't I'd be interested in hearing your reasons...

But what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
 
Do you honestly, honestly, honestly believe that the Bush Administration did all they have done in the name of spreading terror and the war on democracy? Sorry, I meant spreading democracy and the war on terror! Always get those two mixed up! :) Seriously though, with all that has played out and all they have achieved since 9/11 (in the field of resource security and the extension of US military bases to every corner of the globe) do you really belive it is bacause of a war on terror? Cos if you do then fair enough, but if you don't I'd be interested in hearing your reasons...
What in bloody hell does this have to do with 9/11 being an inside job?

I love how, when I point out exactly how and why troothers' arguments are wrong, they fall back on calling me a Bush lover. Someone called me a "Fox News watcher" the other day while all he knew about me was that I didn't believe in 9/11 Trooth! I haven't watched a total of 1 hour of Fox News in my entire life.

I hate Bush. I just don't believe in lying to support my opinions.
 
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Jan Irvin said:
I will give $100 to the first person who actually reads and successfully debunks Acharya's Zeitgeist companion. The debunking must be based on having actually read HER Zeitgeist companion and must focus on debunking the specific citations and information that she's used in the ZGC. If you are afraid to spend $7 on this, but you are so certain that she's wrong and has already been debunked, then here is your chance to prove yourself. Here is $100. That means that even after you buy your ZGC, you'll still make $93 - if you win.

What are you guys waiting for? She's wrong, right? You can debunk her in no time flat, right? Now's the time to show your stuff or shut up.

I'm sick and tired of you cowards who comment and lie about this subject but can't bother yourselves to read the latest research.

Enough is enough. Prove yourself!

Jan Irvin said:
Oh, and BTW, this challenge is "Acharya approved" (TM)

So after the $7 'donation' to download the ebook, someone could stand to make $93. :rolleyes:

Anyone wanna take a crack at debunking the 49 pages of rolling innuendo?
 
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So after the $7 'donation' to download the ebook, someone could stand to make $93. :rolleyes:

Anyone wanna take a crack at debunking the 49 pages of rolling innuendo?

Let me guess....

Whether or not the debunker has succeeded will be judged by....Jan Irvin?
 
Let me guess....

Whether or not the debunker has succeeded will be judged by....Jan Irvin?

Most likely.
I (and a few others) was just banned from that forum for not agreeing with his or Acharya's claims of jesus mythicism and their grand unification theory of all religions having Egyptian origins.

IMO, the guy is a megalomaniac.:teacher:
 
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Zeitgeist... Worst... Movie... Ever...

It was last May that I escaped from the evil clutches of organized religion. For 3 years, I had been worrying to death about the idea that there was no sex or intimacy in heaven. But then, I saw Yahweh's true character with the passage about the midianites. It was this final straw that broke my chains. For a month, I felt wonderful... I had a few issues with the fear of mortality, but over-all, it was good. Many new prospects. I could join another religion if I wanted. I could be a pagan and worship a female deity. I could be a Buddhist... I felt like I was in heaven. I also had freedom because I now realized that marriage in heaven was no longer an issue because the deity, if it existed, didn't mind sex outside of wedlock. I was free to look at women all I want. I also finally completely dissolved my homophobia. And I watched a new anime. It was a wonderful, but sadly short, period of time.

It was Canada day. I had a wonderful night watching the fireworks, the first half of which I watched with my employers niece who was visiting from China. It was the closest thing I had ever had to a date. For the whole night, all I knew was how wonderful it was to be alive. I had hoped that I would always feel that content and happy. Little did I know, though, the happiness, and my summer would come to an abrupt and agonizing end. I checked my e-mail and I saw that I had a new PM on youtube. I checked it and it was from Underlined Society. "Here is a film I think you'll love!" read the title. In it, it said "Gypsy Witch sent it to me" I clicked the link which was Part 1 of zeitgeist. It didn't include the intro. It was the part about religion. I watched it and loved it. But I realized it was only the first part. I wanted to watch the rest. I had assumed that the rest was about religion as well. I asked the name of the movie. "Zeitgeist" I learned it was called. I eventually found part 2. It started with pictures of the 9/11 attacks. I then assumed "Oh, it must be going to talk about the damage religion causes!" But... I was soon to find out that that wasn't the case. It crept up on me incrementally, and by the end... I was shocked and outraged to see the least. I was mad. I wanted to tell everybody. I wanted to kill them for what they had done. I was fired up, full of passion! "Religion was one thing, but it is... This is unforgivable!!!" I thought it my head. I soon proceeded to watch part 3. "What else are these bastards doing behind our backs?!" thought I. The federal reserve was the next thing to be "exposed"... Or so I naively thought at the time. "Oh my God, they're ripping us off!!!" This too outraged me... And then, it slid into the REALLY scary stuff. The one world government thing... And finally, the bit with the RFID chips... Then, all the hippy stuff... Then it was over... On that day, my life was changed forever... I was scared for life... The fear I felt at that point was the most intense I had ever felt in my whole life... I was so afraid, I thought I was gonna go insane. I bought it on first sight because the part about religion drilled the notion into my head that they had some credibility and that they knew what they were talking about... Before I watched it... Life was wonderful and beautiful... I had found peace... After... It was hell... I exchanged one evil for yet another. Talk about out of the pan and into the fire...

Since then, I have debunked a lot of the claims that zeitgeist has made, but I still have issues with it. I thank whatever deity may exist for this forum, as well as for my friend, Andy, because without him, I might have gone insane. I still have times where I feel very afraid of the NWO and the chips and all these other conspiracies...

So, here is one thing I'm still having issue with... This was the guy who's voice you heard in the interview in zeitgeist.

I can't post URL's yet, so type in "Aaron Russo 9/11 fraud" on youtube and click on the first result.

What do you think of this guy?

I want to do a dissection of this movie later this year, so, if anybody is interested in helping me, please PM me and give me some useful information I can use to debunk it... I hope you will enjoy having me here on the forums...
 
It was last May that I escaped from the evil clutches of organized religion.

That phrase always ends in the figurative equivalent to a train wreck. It seems you (in part) described as much on a personal level.

If you want useful information, read the thread. Read a few other threads. Check out the links section. There's a great deal of information, so don't be too overwlemed.

And welcome. Nice to meet you. :)
 
That phrase always ends in the figurative equivalent to a train wreck. It seems you (in part) described as much on a personal level.

If you want useful information, read the thread. Read a few other threads. Check out the links section. There's a great deal of information, so don't be too overwlemed.

And welcome. Nice to meet you. :)

Likewise...
 
I can't post URL's yet, so type in "Aaron Russo 9/11 fraud" on youtube and click on the first result.

What do you think of this guy?
Paranoid/delusional. I've been hearing the chip/tattoo/rfid thing is "a couple years away" for 20 years now. Older people have probably been hearing it longer. It ain't gonna happen.

I think it's mostly based on the book of Revelation. At least where I grew up (bible belt), that seemed to be the source of most of it.

It's bunk.
 
But what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
It has nothing to do with the price of tea, try the price of oil - sitting at $100 a barrell now as we reach "peak oil" and set sky rocket in the coming years as the general public start to realise that the end of cheap oil is upon us and we have nothing better to move on to. Bearing this in mind, and bearing in mind that since 9/11 the US has successfully been able to invade Iraq and Afganistan, topple their leaders (who were admittedly not the nicest people in the world, though it didn't stop USA dealing with them, and, in the case of the Taliban, creating them), and make significant progress in securing the oil reserves and gas pipelines that are going to be paramount to any empire in the future, it makes perfect sense that a administration with an appaling moral compass would sacrafice 3,000 of it's own people to do this. It has been done before, just never on this scale. I don't know the whole story - I'm sure there are only a handful of people who do -but I believe that at the very least the US government was complicit with the events on 9/11
 
What in bloody hell does this have to do with 9/11 being an inside job?

I love how, when I point out exactly how and why troothers' arguments are wrong, they fall back on calling me a Bush lover. Someone called me a "Fox News watcher" the other day while all he knew about me was that I didn't believe in 9/11 Trooth! I haven't watched a total of 1 hour of Fox News in my entire life.

I hate Bush. I just don't believe in lying to support my opinions.
Please see my reply to GreNME. I hope you didn't think I'd called you a "Bush Lover" at some point though - I would never say such a heinous thing! :P
 

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