ZEITGEIST, The Movie

truther quotes Bacon and reveals truther mindset

CJOKUSAP said:
You don't seem to be very forthcoming with information for this query. Is my ignorance so shameful that no-one deems it worth replying to, OR is this business regarding the 'sock puppetry' merely a diversionary tactic? In my opinion, most of the sophistry employed by the "OT'ers" on this forum, smacks of Bacon's quote,"For what a man would like to be true, that he more readily believes"
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one has facts, or one is blowing smoke

"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." --Albert Einstein (after asking him about idiot truthers)

I never wanted to believe planes hit the WTC. I was unable to prove different. I never wanted steel to weaken in fires, it is just a fact. I never wanted a plane to hit the Pentagon and kill many people, but it is a fact. I never wanted what I spent years to learn and perfect to be shown too be easy that idiot terrorist could do; flying.

It seems your Bacon crap sucks for people who think for themselves and do not need other idiots to tell them what is.

Judgement and knowledge, got some?

LOL> see below >>>>
 
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CJOKUSAP said:
You don't seem to be very forthcoming with information for this query. Is my ignorance so shameful that no-one deems it worth replying to, OR is this business regarding the 'sock puppetry' merely a diversionary tactic? In my opinion, most of the sophistry employed by the "OT'ers" on this forum, smacks of Bacon's quote,"For what a man would like to be true, that he more readily believes"
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begging the Bacon fallacy
 
beachnut said:
one has facts, or one is blowing smoke

"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." --Albert Einstein (after asking him about idiot truthers)
It seems your Bacon crap sucks for people who think for themselves and do not need other idiots to tell them what is.
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That's almost funny coming from someone totally convinced by the mainstream version of events. Are you completely sure there are no idiots or mendacious people among your so-called reliable sources! And anyway I would wager Mr.Bacon would have kicked your ass in a bout of verbal fisticuffs, sonny!
beachnut said:
Judgement and knowledge, got some?
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Seems you've got enough for both of us, Mr.Wiseguy! :cool:
 
A W Smith said:
begging the Bacon fallacy
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Do you want to beg this one then? same guy - If a man will begin with certainties(i.e. The OT Advocates!), he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts(The Opposition! ), he shall end in certainties. ;)
 
CJOKUSAP said:
That's almost funny coming from someone totally convinced by the mainstream version of events. Are you completely sure there are no idiots or mendacious people among your so-called reliable sources! And anyway I would wager Mr.Bacon would have kicked your ass in a bout of verbal fisticuffs, sonny!

Seems you've got enough for both of us, Mr.Wiseguy! :cool:
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I do not need a mainstream version. You are a person (*) who has no facts and believes the lies of those who mislead in the 9/11 truth movement. Or are you just posting bs on purpose and not making any points about anything because that is the best you can do?

If you believe in 9/11 truth ideas, you lack judgment and knowledge about 9/11 and the systems involved that day.
 
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beachnut said:
I do not need a mainstream version. You are person (*) who has no facts and believes the lies of those who mislead in the 9/11 truth movement. Or are you just posting bs on purpose and not making any points about anything because that is the best you can do?

If you believe in 9/11 truth ideas, you lack judgment and knowledge about 9/11 and the systems involved that day.
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Can you provide the facts that relate to this query , or not?
The actual computer simulations that were done using undeniable variables such as structural integrity, aeroplane velocity, etc. would be interesting to view. Are they available for viewing by the public? Does anybody know the amount of repeat simulations NIST did, and what parameters were applied? If they were included in that report, I must have somehow overlooked them!
 
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CJOKUSAP said:
Can you provide the facts that relate to this query , or not?
The actual computer simulations that were done using undeniable variables such as structural integrity, aeroplane velocity, etc. would be interesting to view. Are they available for viewing by the public? Does anybody know the amount of repeat simulations NIST did, and what parameters were applied? If they were included in that report, I must have somehow overlooked them!
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Those are not facts, they are the opinions of others. That is called hearsay. What facts do you have to support those ideas? You are repeating junk about stuff you do not even understand.

Oops, those are the facts relating to your inability to think for yourself for idea on 9/11.
 
beachnut said:
Those are not facts, they are the opinions of others. That is called hearsay. What facts do you have to support those ideas? You are repeating junk about stuff you do not even understand.

Oops, those are the facts relating to your inability to think for yourself for idea on 9/11.
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What opinion of others, what hearsay? Are you reading the lines I wrote? I'll try rephrasing it , see if that helps.

Are the actual computer simulations that were done using KNOWN variables such as structural integrity, airplane velocity, fuel load etc. available for viewing by the public? Does anybody know the amount of repeat simulations NIST did, and what parameters were applied?
 
too broad in my evaluation of your post for your comprehension level

CJOKUSAP said:
What opinion of others, what hearsay? Are you reading the lines I wrote? I'll try rephrasing it , see if that helps.

Are the actual computer simulations that were done using KNOWN variables such as structural integrity, airplane velocity, fuel load etc. available for viewing by the public? Does anybody know the amount of repeat simulations NIST did, and what parameters were applied?
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I was looking for your facts? You have none. You ask silly questions about something you do not understand. The fact remains you are using others to make up you mind on 9/11 and you are unable to provide facts to support any credible ideas on 9/11. I read your stuff, you are fact less. No facts; just questions. Go find the answers yourself by reading NIST. Stop wasting your time talking and go save the world from who ever did 9/11. There is still 25 mil for you if you find UBL. Go do something besides ask questions a smart fellow like you could answer. You waste your time posting and then posting to my worthless post. The true ability to get some answers is to look it up yourself and ignore idiots like me who ask you for the facts you can never find cause you are too busy asking question you can answer yourself. Stop being lazy.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/ncstmin_jun22-23.htm It would takes years to catch up and understand just NIST. But you can figure out 9/11 without the NIST report. You can use judgment and knowledge to solve 9/11. Too bad those characteristics are not used by 9/11 truth.
 
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*hugs the JREF forums*
Oh god such a sweet relief. I've been all around the internet trying to calmly explain to folks about Zeitgeist and Loose Change and all I get in retort is comments like "UR a constitution hating n****r I bet U believe in angels and faith will heal the twoers lol 911 was an inside job u retarded ostrich".
I even directed people to these forums for some more debunking info and logic, alas, you all are "constitution hating n****rs who shop at wal mart" as well.

I like how these people who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy use the logic that if you don't believe there's a 9/11 conspiracy, you've been brainwashed by the media...Yet where did they come up with the idea that 9/11 was conspiracy? Little dramatic films made by faceless people on the internet...sigh, that's it, JREF is the only place for me.
 
ninjamessiah said:
*hugs the JREF forums*
Oh god such a sweet relief. I've been all around the internet trying to calmly explain to folks about Zeitgeist and Loose Change and all I get in retort is comments like "UR a constitution hating n****r I bet U believe in angels and faith will heal the twoers lol 911 was an inside job u retarded ostrich".
I even directed people to these forums for some more debunking info and logic, alas, you all are "constitution hating n****rs who shop at wal mart" as well.

I like how these people who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy use the logic that if you don't believe there's a 9/11 conspiracy, you've been brainwashed by the media...Yet where did they come up with the idea that 9/11 was conspiracy? Little dramatic films made by faceless people on the internet...sigh, that's it, JREF is the only place for me.
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Woah! That's some pretty vile rhetoric. What kind of sites were you hanging out at?
 
ninjamessiah said:
*hugs the JREF forums*
Oh god such a sweet relief. I've been all around the internet trying to calmly explain to folks about Zeitgeist and Loose Change and all I get in retort is comments like "UR a constitution hating n****r I bet U believe in angels and faith will heal the twoers lol 911 was an inside job u retarded ostrich".
I even directed people to these forums for some more debunking info and logic, alas, you all are "constitution hating n****rs who shop at wal mart" as well.

I like how these people who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy use the logic that if you don't believe there's a 9/11 conspiracy, you've been brainwashed by the media...Yet where did they come up with the idea that 9/11 was conspiracy? Little dramatic films made by faceless people on the internet...sigh, that's it, JREF is the only place for me.
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It's kind of like Scientology. We lul you into this sense of security then we lay the really big conspiracy theories on you.
 
OldSchool said:
Welcome to the most close minded and naive forum on the internet. Wouldn't waste time discussing anything to do with Conspiracy on this forum. Isn't really a Conspiracy Forum at all. JREF is a spawning ground for Neocon rhetoric, Illuminati disinformation, and virgins of truth. If you're looking for actual discussion of the professionals who do support the Truth Movement, I would suggest The Loose Change Forum. As they are the most moderate forum I've discovered relating to 911, you'll find the discussion there doesn't include personal attacks. The focus at the Loose Change forum is to discuss professionals who disagree with the government censored account of 911. I wish you the best if you decide to stay, however this forum tends to practice a double standard. You'll will always provide information to support any theory, while the NIST theory is supreme god and they shouldn't be expected to provide proof of its legitimacy.


"Anger is a Gift" RAM
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Yup!

I've been lurking here awhile and reading this thread especially. Wow!:confused:

It's like all these debunkers are one person with different online handles.

All these links to debunk this and debunk that, when the debunker's lies are worse then the government's.

Zeitgeist had its errors, but the overall truth of its message rings through all this tripe of these anti-"troofers".

I could post links all day that would refute what the refuters say. It comes down the fact that the Bush's and Clinton's are one and the same. I wouldn't be surprised if one day it came out that somewhere down the lineage they are the same incestuous blood.
 
HereticHulk said:
All these links to debunk this and debunk that, when the debunker's lies are worse then the government's... I could post links all day that would refute what the refuters say..
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Why don’t you give us an example of one of these supposedly abundant and easily refuted lies?
 
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