WTC7 - The fires failed Girder 44-79

[Jack by the hedge]

I also believed that WTC 7 was obviously pulled ...

I suppose the fire department can't pull a building in an emergency?

Can you hear the laughter every time you stubbornly repeat the misuse of that word?

 

[LoneRanger]

Can you hear the laughter every time you stubbornly repeat the misuse of that word?

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You like these words, don't you?

There are 828 search results for "pull down a building". It is a common phrase. Pulling a building and demolishing a building have the same meaning. Of course before you can pull a building, you have to pull the permit. New words are included in the dictionary when they are used frequently. Is this A-OK? (a term on the way out)

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Pulling a building and demolishing a building have the same meaning.

Perhaps you would like to illustrate your etymology lesson with a few examples of people using the term.

Please note the term you need to find is "pull" and not "pull down".

 

[Justin39640]

Would it have been better to wait a week and then get everybody out of NYC again?

They were opportunists. Perhaps they made the right decision.

They would evacuate Harlem cause of a skyscraper fire at the Trade Center?
Methinks you've never been to NYC.

 

[Justin39640]

Would it have been better to wait a week and then get everybody out of NYC again?

They were opportunists. Perhaps they made the right decision.

Oh, I see the problem here. Um... they didn't evacuate Manhattan cause of building fires. Rather, what caused the fires (which was, at the time, an unknown amount of hijacked airliners hell bent on ramming into buildings) was why everyone was ordered to leave. Also, it wasn't a mandatory evacuation, only down around Ground Zero. Almost every tall building closed and the streets were shut down to vehicles. At that point, all non-residents (of Manhattan) had to walk home.

Also, NYC consists of 5 boroughs. Only one of which is Manhattan. I think someone living on Rockaway Blvd in Queens might be a bit confused at being evacuated for a possible building collapse in downtown Manhattan.

 

[Justin39640]

You like these words, don't you?

There are 828 search results for "pull down a building". It is a common phrase. Pulling a building and demolishing a building have the same meaning. Of course before you can pull a building, you have to pull the permit. New words are included in the dictionary when they are used frequently. Is this A-OK? (a term on the way out)

You should go back and try to understand the context of what Larry was saying.

He could have said anything in that interview and whack job conspiracy theorists would have jumped all over it.

 

[carlitos]

I was recently in Rockaway Park for the first time. Making NYC a "ghost town" in order to "pull" a building in lower Manhattan is so insane.

Reading the muddled thoughts of the latest influx of truthy people here reminds me of the lament of Max Bialystock. Misquoting from memory "they always find us" or something like that. Couldn't some enterprising school districts somewhere include Carl Sagan's the demon haunted world as part of the core curriculum? It's just painful.

 

[triforcharity]

If the fire kept going for days, NYC would have been a ghost town for days. They would have had to keep people out of NYC.

Oh, you mean like the fire that burned for 99 days? That fire? And you mean how Lower Manhattan was evacuated for days and days?

Oh, right....How silly of me to rely on facts.....

 

[triforcharity]

I suppose the fire department can't pull a building in an emergency?

Nope. They can;t rig a 47 story building to blow when 1-the fire is still burning and 2-because evacuations are relatively easy to do, and 3-Fire departments don't carry explosives.

 

[Robrob]

You like these words, don't you?

There are 828 search results for "pull down a building". It is a common phrase.

How many for "pull the building" the not common phrase you insist means something?

Pulling a building and demolishing a building have the same meaning.

No, "pulling down" building means the same as demolishing.

Of course before you can pull a building, you have to pull the permit. New words are included in the dictionary when they are used frequently. Is this A-OK? (a term on the way out)

Yes, so please feel free to show us where the term "pull the building" has ever been used in demolitions - or anywhere else for that matter - prior to 9/11?

 

[MileHighMadness]

You're so certain! You must be a god!

I'm a licensed structural engineer, on this forum I am GOD...[dws]

Again, for the record, the theory that WTC buildings where bought down by controlled demolition is probably one the dumbest ideas in the history of mankind.

 

[332nd]

Why don't you tell me?

Because I don't know what videos you've watched. You did more research than watching videos right?

These were as noisy as any. Tell me they weren't.

Oh good! You can be the first truther to provide evidence of loud explosions just before collapse!

My argument is not that government lies more than sales people, but possibly as much.

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Well then there's only the evidence & the evidence points to fires & impact damage.

So? I am merely an inquisitive skeptic. If I knew all the answers, I wouldn't be asking questions. Yes, I know when I am ignorant, but at least I know that I know not. I don't pretend to know.

So you are ignoring the answers.

 

[332nd]

I suppose the fire department can't pull a building in an emergency?

... So they run into a building fire that's fully involved. A 47 story building... carrying high explosives. They set the charges in a few hours. They don't tell anyone. They set the explosives off at the quietest level known to man...

Wow...

 

[LoneRanger]

Trial by jury is even more frightening than ever, or this is a very unusual group.

 

[Justin39640]

Trial by jury is even more frightening than ever, or this is a very unusual group.

If the logic don't fit, you must acquit!

 

[Animal]

I'm a licensed structural engineer, on this forum I am GOD...[dws]

As a licensed architect with a NCARB certificate....I agree. I will argue with my civil, mechanical, and electrical engineers as to why things are done a certain way, but if my structural engineer says so....as Yule Brenner once said...
So let it be written, so it shall be done


I can live with myself if a building doesn't get hot enough or cold enough, or if the lights dim or the water ponds in the parking lot, but I could not if a structure fails and kills someone.

 

[LoneRanger]

I'm a licensed structural engineer, on this forum I am GOD...[dws]

Again, for the record, the theory that WTC buildings where bought down by controlled demolition is probably one the dumbest ideas in the history of mankind.

That statement isn't precise. I didn't suggest that.

Most of the buildings were badly damaged and dismantled or pulled. WTC 1 and WTC 2 fell from the damage and fires. I believe WTC 7 and another badly damaged building were brought down with some assistance from explosives for the reasons given.

So be precise, or be wrong.

 

[MileHighMadness]

That statement isn't precise. I didn't suggest that.

Most of the buildings were badly damaged and dismantled or pulled. WTC 1 and WTC 2 fell from the damage and fires. I believe WTC 7 and another badly damaged building were brought down with some assistance from explosives for the reasons given.

So be precise, or be wrong.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories fail on three primary levels…

Evidence – none – epic failure

Logistics – theories are too complex to work – epic failure

Security – you can keep a operation this large, secret – epic failure

3 x epic failure = absolute zero

I'm 100% right...vbg

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Most of the buildings were badly damaged and dismantled or pulled.

Just so you know - the old rule of thumb that the OED used, where 5 published uses of a word in a particular context qualified it for inclusion in the dictionary, no longer applies. The internet rendered it useless. You are illustrating why.

 

[000063]

True, lack of knowledge isn't skepticism. We base our skepticism on what we know.

And, as Beachnut has just shown, your knowledge is lacking.

At least I know that I know not everything.

No one claimed to.

You NEVER lied? You suggested that I was spreading lies. That's a lie because it is never a lie to describe what what you or I have seen or heard.

That would be true, if you weren't drawing incorrect conclusions based on verifiably false facts. And you don't know the difference between telling a lie and repeating one.

If I haven't heard of a steel structured building that fell only because of fire, then that's the truth. If I said I know of no steel structured building that fell only because of fire, then that's what I know and that is the truth.

Then that's your problem, not anyone else's.

Congratulations on being promoted to a LtCol.

You gave some good pictures of buildings destroyed by fire, but were they all steel framed (I see some wood) and did they fall only because of fire?

I want you to find even a single steel-framed skyscraper that had a large plane flown into it at flank speed, followed by a fire unfought by an hour, that didn't fall down, if you want to try this "first time in history" pseudo no-claimer nonsense.