WTC7 and the NIST free fall failure

[achimspok]

What is the wind direction in your demolition theory? You posted a photo showing 300 degrees with a shot from low orbit.

300 degrees true or mag?
can you explain how the smoke travels from GZ towards Sandy Hook Bay in a 300 degree angle? The low orbit shot from somewhere west of NYC might distort the smoke due to the increasing altitude.

Hence, the smoke might be west of Sandy Hook Bay makes an angle of about 0° true north. But may be you want to show any photographic evidence somehow close to 300° (true or mag).

... You have a line for wind at some altitude, and cheat the direction you want it to be.

Nonsense. But maybe you forgot to consider the perspective effect of the increasing altitude. The billowing up smoke didn't turn around over Manhatten. It simply billowed up. If you understand a little bit about perspective then notice the shadow of the smoke.

Are you working in true or mag?

Maps (even google maps) referring to true. Public services like Central Park referring to true. Why should I use mag? Little test?

Do you agree using free-fall is the sign of delusions about 911?

No, I do not agree. Using free-fall is a sign of using hard data called measurements instead of some simulation based miracle.

Where did you get your degree in Atmospheric Sciences and Meteorology?

Not needed to analyze the photographic evidence. Where did you get your degree in irrelevant questions?

Do you see it? What does it tell you about your Manhattan 300 degree banana? (line of sight about 350° true)

Btw, you can easily prove your position. You simply have to find any image that shows the smoke directly above the Brookly Bridge or even towards the Woolworth Tower. That would make a perfect 300° smoke plume.
300° view:http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8118/brooklynbridge.png
If you cannot find any image or video then you might consider perspective and altitude of the smoke while staring at the satellite image.

Where did you get your geometry skills?

At the Technische Universität Dresden. Where get you your geometry skill?

Good luck with the demolition inside job paranoid conspiracy theories thing! Some advice, stop using references to free-fall in your presentations in the future.

Thanks for the advice. What should I use instead? "floating down" "fall appart" "perfectly sim like drop" ... What?
That freakin' building fell in several parts. Each part fell in free fall. The screenwall lacks of some transition between no vertical movement and 9.81m/s² acceleration. The NIST "stange 1" doesn't happen. How should I call it in the future?

How does wind direction relate to the free-fall ploy?

Well, I have some sophisticated ploy plan to use the backdoor of "freefall" to undermine the entire nice and peaceful world of natural FEA collapses in slow motion. Watch out for the rubber boat!

 

[beachnut]

300 degrees true or mag?
... boat!

Once again, do your meteorological skills suffer from the demolition delusion?
Winds change at altitude, showing smoke seen from space is moronic, and not ground winds, which are clearly another angle from the idiotic line you drew. But go ahead, you are meteorological expert, have at it! Be all you can be, a great self-debunking 911 truth defender reaching for and for sure achieving 10 years of failure; for sure. really, drop the free-fall, you will avoid being exposed as a pCTer as quickly as you do at JREF.

Hard data, that was funny.
What does this wind tripe have to do with free-fall and your demolition theories on 911?

 

[achimspok]

Once again, do your meteorological skills suffer from the demolition delusion?
Winds change at altitude, showing smoke seen from space is moronic, and not ground winds, which are clearly another angle from the idiotic line you drew. But go ahead, you are meteorological expert, have at it! Be all you can be, a great self-debunking 911 truth defender reaching for and for sure achieving 10 years of failure; for sure. really, drop the free-fall, you will avoid being exposed as a pCTer as quickly as you do at JREF.

Hard data, that was funny.
What does this wind tripe have to do with free-fall and your demolition theories on 911?

You obviously missed that part:

[qimg]http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3699/gjswtc147.jpg[/qimg]
Do you see it? What does it tell you about your Manhattan 300 degree banana? (line of sight about 350° true)

Btw, you can easily prove your position. You simply have to find any image that shows the smoke directly above the Brookly Bridge or even towards the Woolworth Tower. That would make a perfect 300° smoke plume.
300° view:http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8118/brooklynbridge.png
If you cannot find any image or video then you might consider perspective and altitude of the smoke while staring at the satellite image.

I'm afraid that smoke draw a perfectly straight line but the increasing altitude looks like bowing towards the Brooklyn Bridge, right?
But it's false like the slow NIST drop instead of a horizontal inward bowing. You see, free fall and the direction of wind are interconnected.

 

[achimspok]

"300°" - "10 years of failure" ...
What should I say?
May be LOL?

"exposed as a pCTer"?
It's up to you to explain tha natural collapse resulting in free fall of different building parts a go go. You can't? Not my problem. May be your theory is wrong.

 

[triforcharity]

[qimg]http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4588/wind2d.png[/qimg]

[qimg]http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/8436/windu.png[/qimg]

Btw, the correct angle doesn't matter at all since the wind came from north WESTof the building.

I fixed that for you. You're welcome. I will be sending you a compass in tha mail shortly. I'll attach instructions for you too.

 

[triforcharity]

Hayden: "Well we had our special operations people set up surveying instruments to monitor and see if there was any movement of the building. We were concerned of the possibility of collapse of the building, and we had a discussion with one particular engineer and we asked him if we allowed it to burn could we anticipate a collapse and, if so, how soon. And it turned out that he was pretty much right on the money that he said in its current state you have about five hours."

and another:

"I was in a discussion with Mr. Rotanz and I believe it was a
representative from the Department of Buildings, but
I'm not sure. Some engineer type person, and several
of us were huddled talking in the lobby and it was
brought to my attention, it was believed that the
structural damage that was suffered to the towers was
quite significant and they were very confident that the
building's stability was compromised and they felt that
the north tower was in danger of a near imminent
collapse."

so, do you see a name in there somewhere? i dont. thats why i asked the fireman know it all concerning 911 (thats you). the last paragraph is interesting b/c he says that several "of us" meaning fireman folk and then this "engineer type person" meaning just one of him (engineer type).

Ok, let's discuss this.

Yes, there was an engineer there that was monitoring 7WTC. Do I know his name? No.

Is it possible that the FDNY chiefs that were there did not know his name, or couldn't recall it? Yes.

FDNY has about 11,000 employees total.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/vital_stats_2010.pdf

The NYC Department of Buildings has ~1,100 employees.

Do you think it's possible that they don't know his name? YES. Absolutely.

Hell, when I was with FDNY, I didn't know many of the guys who worked outside Manhattan.

But yet, you expect two chiefs to remember some guy's name that they obviously didn't know on a chaotic and stressful day?

FSM.

 

[ImANiceGuy]

Ok, let's discuss this.

Yes, there was an engineer there that was monitoring 7WTC. Do I know his name? No.

Is it possible that the FDNY chiefs that were there did not know his name, or couldn't recall it? Yes.

FDNY has about 11,000 employees total.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/vital_stats_2010.pdf

The NYC Department of Buildings has ~1,100 employees.

Do you think it's possible that they don't know his name? YES. Absolutely.

Hell, when I was with FDNY, I didn't know many of the guys who worked outside Manhattan.

But yet, you expect two chiefs to remember some guy's name that they obviously didn't know on a chaotic and stressful day?

FSM.

So Chewbacca can chill on asking Sennemut this guys name; we all agree he is nameless. Maybe it's the Harley guy...(joke)

Sennemut; how do you interpret Silverstein's "pull-it" comment? Do you think he was aware of the alledged WTC7 CD all along?

 

[triforcharity]

So Chewbacca can chill on asking Sennemut this guys name; we all agree he is nameless. Maybe it's the Harley guy...(joke)

No, he has a name, however, I don't know it. I may be able to find out with alot of research, but it doesn't matter what his name is IMO.

Sennemut; how do you interpret Silverstein's "pull-it" comment? Do you think he was aware of the alledged WTC7 CD all along?

Wow, not this **** again......

 

[twinstead]

Oh for Christ's sake NOT PULL IT AGAIN!!!!!111!!!

 

[Sabretooth]

Could someone actually explain the point achimspok is trying to make with his wake effect and wind direction nonsense?

Is he implying there was no fires in WTC7?

 

[triforcharity]

It SEEMS that he is implying that the fires in 7WTC were not as bad as reported.

He thinks (or so it seems, since he never really comes right out and lays out his conclusions) that most of the smoke from around 7WTC were ACTUALLY from 5&6 WTC.

Myself and others have tried to explain many times where he goes so horribly wrong, but it is like talking to my dog about time-temperature curves. He just thinks "Where is the cat?" and looks at me funny.

 

[achimspok]

I fixed that for you. You're welcome. I will be sending you a compass in tha mail shortly. I'll attach instructions for you too.

Your "fixing" by a fat underlined WEST is just the way LIES work over here.

Call it 355°-350°.

Btw, WEST = 270° and NORTH = 360° / 0°.

Buy a compass. Take a day off. Learn something.

 

[achimspok]

Ok, let's discuss this.

Yes, there was an engineer there that was monitoring 7WTC. Do I know his name? No.

Is it possible that the FDNY chiefs that were there did not know his name, or couldn't recall it? Yes.

FDNY has about 11,000 employees total.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/pdf/vital_stats_2010.pdf

The NYC Department of Buildings has ~1,100 employees.

Do you think it's possible that they don't know his name? YES. Absolutely.

Hell, when I was with FDNY, I didn't know many of the guys who worked outside Manhattan.

But yet, you expect two chiefs to remember some guy's name that they obviously didn't know on a chaotic and stressful day?

FSM.

A chaotic and stressful day? Yes.
~1,100 employees? Yes.

How many are qualified to measure building movements from a distant vantage point and to predict collapses?
Who is the one who worked for / called by / was trusted by the OEM and the fire chiefs?

Do you think it's possible that they don't know his name? NO FREAKIN' WAY!

 

[Dave Rogers]

A chaotic and stressful day? Yes.
~1,100 employees? Yes.

How many are qualified to measure building movements from a distant vantage point and to predict collapses?
Who is the one who worked for / called by / was trusted by the OEM and the fire chiefs?

Do you think it's possible that they don't know his name? NO FREAKIN' WAY!

Arguments from incredulity ROCK!


twinstead
Dave

 

[achimspok]

It SEEMS that he is implying that the fires in 7WTC were not as bad as reported.

He thinks (or so it seems, since he never really comes right out and lays out his conclusions) that most of the smoke from around 7WTC were ACTUALLY from 5&6 WTC.

Myself and others have tried to explain many times where he goes so horribly wrong, but it is like talking to my dog about time-temperature curves. He just thinks "Where is the cat?" and looks at me funny.

I said 355°. You just think "West?" and look at me funny.

You and others explained many times where I goes horribly wrong?
That's funny.
I said the fires were exactly as described in the Pitts chapter of the predecisional NIST report. You just think "Smoke everywhere?" and look at me funny.

I said Alienentitys 15-20 floors on fire are nonsense. The smoke is no argument since the origin is obvious. You just think "Cat?" and look at me funny.

 

[achimspok]

Arguments from incredulity ROCK!


twinstead
Dave

Would you said it was a responsibly and qualified job?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Would you said it was a responsibly and qualified job?

Would it be relevant either way?

Dave

 

[alienentity]

I said Alienentitys 15-20 floors on fire are nonsense. The smoke is no argument since the origin is obvious. You just think "Cat?" and look at me funny.

It would help if you didn't misquote me.... where did I say 20 floors of fire?

I said 20 floors of smoke. You still have failed to disprove that observation, but your handwaving has produced a gale of its own!

btw you still haven't got the wind direction right, based on the satellite view. Oh well, it really doesn't matter. Just like David Ray Griffin and his refusal to accept the fact of passenger phone calls, truthers just keep getting basic things so wrong it's literally a joke.

 

[Sabretooth]

I said 355°. You just think "West?" and look at me funny.

You and others explained many times where I goes horribly wrong?
That's funny.
I said the fires were exactly as described in the Pitts chapter of the predecisional NIST report. You just think "Smoke everywhere?" and look at me funny.

I said Alienentitys 15-20 floors on fire are nonsense. The smoke is no argument since the origin is obvious. You just think "Cat?" and look at me funny.

I say BFD.

It's an argument over nonsense. Wind direction is a zero causual factor here. There were fires raging through WTC7, and that is readily available via video and pictures. The people monitoring the building were concerned that the building could collapse because they had no way to stop the fires...and, OMG!, it collapsed.

You are so blinded by woo that you are willing to argue over things that don't even freakin' matter. It's stupid.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

Bolded sentences are mine:

no, i dont know what time they said that. i looked into it and it was around 430pm. 4 hrs after the "engineer" said it was going to collapse.

But you don't have a name for this "engineer"?

or maybe you dont know anything but just pretending to know something!! haha...

I've studied Truthers, I know that when questions are directed @ them they shy away. Very much like you just did & are still doing.

i asked you because you pretend to know it all. this is what we have to work with:

Hayden: "Well we had our special operations people set up surveying instruments to monitor and see if there was any movement of the building. We were concerned of the possibility of collapse of the building, and we had a discussion with one particular engineer and we asked him if we allowed it to burn could we anticipate a collapse and, if so, how soon. And it turned out that he was pretty much right on the money that he said in its current state you have about five hours."

and another:

"I was in a discussion with Mr. Rotanz and I believe it was a
representative from the Department of Buildings, but
I'm not sure. Some engineer type person, and several
of us were huddled talking in the lobby and it was
brought to my attention, it was believed that the
structural damage that was suffered to the towers was
quite significant and they were very confident that the
building's stability was compromised and they felt that
the north tower was in danger of a near imminent
collapse."

You said that I "pretend" to know it all. Let me ask you something, have you ever taken a firefighter course? No you haven't!

so, do you see a name in there somewhere? i dont. thats why i asked the fireman know it all concerning 911 (thats you). the last paragraph is interesting b/c he says that several "of us" meaning fireman folk and then this "engineer type person" meaning just one of him (engineer type).

The Fire Officers are the most talked about in firefighting. An engineer only knows what goes on with their rigs (fire trucks & gear). An ISO makes the call about unsafe buildings. You have alot to learn!