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WTC Steel

RedIbis said:
Good question since:

The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires.
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So Red, I think we all agree that if you are ever in a tall building that catches fire...you should stay in there to prove us all wrong.
 
RedIbis,

If the US government (or rogue faction thereof) was trying to get rid of evidence, why would it ship it to China?
 
RedIbis, beside no core columns that were exposed to fires over 250C, what else was not recovered from the pile?

Evidence that the WTC was destroyed by any other means than local failure of the structure, due to impact damage and fire, resulting in a progressive collapse.
 
RedIbis said:
Actually, as far as core columns go, NIST found none that reached temps above 250C. They worked off of assumption after that, which is exactly what they did for the steel they didn't have when coming up with their preposterous WTC 7 hypothesis.
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If I remember correctly, they tested steel temperatures by observing paint cracking, they couldn't test some steel since there was no paint left, the ones they did test they expected to have those low temperatures.
 
RedIbis said:
Good question since:

The collapse of WTC 7 is the first known instance of a tall building brought down primarily by uncontrolled fires.
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So what, in your opinion, was the point of previous firefighting efforts in tall buildings? Was it (a)-to save building contents, (b)-to prevent damage to the building or (c)-a combination of the two.
 
Bell said:
RedIbis, beside no core columns that were exposed to fires over 250C, what else was not recovered from the pile?
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Your point?

So what? For WTC 1/2 video shows that core beams remained standing after the exterior tube and floors fell away.

For WTC7, the concept of ""core beam" is vague. Fire and lack of firefighting caused the structure to collapse.
 
RedIbis said:
Because it was melted down and recycled for trinkets.
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I didnt realise the Chinese govt was so chummy with Bush that they would help him cover up 9/11.
What if someone had noticed all the thermite residue and bits of det cord?
 
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BigAl said:
Your point?

So what? For WTC 1/2 video shows that core beams remained standing after the exterior tube and floors fell away.

For WTC7, the concept of ""core beam" is vague. Fire and lack of firefighting caused the structure to collapse.
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I think you are misunderstanding what Bell is getting at.
 
scissorhands said:
I didnt realise the Chinese govt was so chummy with Bush that they would help him cover up 9/11.
What if someone had noticed all the thermite residue and bits of det cord?
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Are you saying that the Chinese didn't recycle WTC steel?
 
Doesn't take truthers long to pollute CNN's comments section

So, CNN has an "iReport" (reader generated stories) on the same topic that switchpoint posted ("World Trade Center "Trees" Return Home"). And whaddaya know? The "angle cut", "footprint", and "nanothermate" (sic) made an appearance in the comments section. :rolleyes:

There are maroons, and there are maroons... and then there are truthers. :nope:
 
RedIbis said:
Because it was melted down and recycled for trinkets.
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But why send it on a lengthy journey on a barge to the other side of the world, to a recycling outfit located in a geopolitical rival? Why not do this in the US, if there was incriminating evidence in the steel?
 
BTW, I don't accept the "official" version of 9/11, but I think there are a lot of things that get accepted uncritically within the "Truth Movement."
 
By "doing this in the US" I mean doing this somewhere you have control over what happens to the steel (e.g. Chinese officials don't just decide to keep some samples for themselves).
 
I wouldn't read that level into the issue being raised about steel being shipped off. Truthers really only bring it up to argue that the steel supposedly was not fully examined, and that's really their only point. That in and of itself is an argument to mislead (see here), but I don't think they really emphasize the fact it was shipped to China as much as the fact that it was recycled at all. Where it was recycled is sort of irrelevant from either their or our point of view.
 
ElMondoHummus said:
I wouldn't read that level into the issue being raised about steel being shipped off. Truthers really only bring it up to argue that the steel supposedly was not fully examined, and that's really their only point. That in and of itself is an argument to mislead (see here), but I don't think they really emphasize the fact it was shipped to China as much as the fact that it was recycled at all. Where it was recycled is sort of irrelevant from either their or our point of view.
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I don't see it as irrelevant. If the steel was the "smoking gun" of 9/11, it would seem absurd to ship it to a geopolitical rival.
 
Clippy said:
BTW, I don't accept the "official" version of 9/11, but I think there are a lot of things that get accepted uncritically within the "Truth Movement."
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As a budding truther,give us your version then,or is it the usual ''Hey,I'm only asking questions''?
 
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