WTC Dust Study Feb 29, 2012 by Dr. James Millette

[The Big Dog]

Of course I can completely see where you got that from this quote. "At the time of this progress report, the identity of the product from which the red/gray chips were generated has not been determined. The composition of the red/gray chips found in this study (epoxy resin with iron oxide and kaolin pigments) does not match the formula for the primer paint used on iron column members in the World Trade Center towers (Table 1).16" Makes perfect sense now.

"At this time, the manufacturer of the epoxy product is unknown, although another candidate that was been suggested elsewhere is LaClede Steel Company who painted the floor trusses with their own standard primer."

Embiggened for you. Thanks for agreeing with this part:

I believe that it would be more clear if you were to say that the red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin, and the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nano-thermite.

 

[DGM]

To be clear at this time the source of the chips is unknown, but it is definitely not thermite or nano-thermite? Is that a fair statement?

Let me help you:

There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nano-thermite.

Harrit also does not document any of this crucial element.

 

[tmd2_1]

"At this time, the manufacturer of the epoxy product is unknown, although another candidate that was been suggested elsewhere is LaClede Steel Company who painted the floor trusses with their own standard primer."

Embiggened for you. Thanks for agreeing with this part:

I believe that it would be more clear if you were to say that the red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin, and the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nano-thermite.

Please point out to me where that is in any of Chris' posts. Thank you.

 

[tmd2_1]

Let me help you:


Harrit also does not document any of this crucial element.

Not my question.

 

[The Big Dog]

Please point out to me where that is in any of Chris' posts. Thank you.

Hi, that is why I put elsewhere in my post. Thanks.

We'll just leave it at this:

I believe that it would be more clear if you were to say that the red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin, and the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nano-thermite.

 

[DGM]

Not my question.

So, what is your question? If it pertains to the origin of the samples it was already covered.

 

[plague311]

Nice work Chris, and please pass on my thanks to Dr. Millette when you have the opportunity. I have much respect for the work you two put in to see this testing from beginning to end. Well done.

 

[tmd2_1]

So, what is your question? If it pertains yo the origin of the samples it was already covered.

Last time I'm posting it. To be clear at this time the source of the chips is unknown, but it is definitely not thermite or nano-thermite? Is that a fair statement?

 

[DGM]

Last time I'm posting it. To be clear at this time the source of the chips is unknown, but it is definitely not thermite or nano-thermite? Is that a fair statement?

No (On the origin) Yes (on the results)

The origin is documented to be in the same area as the Harrit paper.

Fig. 1
MVA # Date Collected Sample Location Map No.
4808-L1616 28 September 2001 22 Cortlandt St. 1
4795-L1560 22 September 2001 Murray & Church St. 2
5230-M3451 15-16 September 2001 49 Ann St. 3 9119-X0135
07 October 2001 33 Maiden Lane 4

 

[NoahFence]

Last time I'm posting it. To be clear at this time the source of the chips is unknown, but it is definitely not thermite or nano-thermite? Is that a fair statement?

tl;dr?

Fig. 1
MVA # Date Collected Sample Location Map No.
4808-L1616 28 September 2001 22 Cortlandt St. 1
4795-L1560 22 September 2001 Murray & Church St. 2
5230-M3451 15-16 September 2001 49 Ann St. 3 9119-X0135
07 October 2001 33 Maiden Lane 4

And according to the wall of text you didn't read, you are correct. They are not thermite or nano-thermite.

 

[Mudcat]

To be clear at this time the source of the chips is unknown, but it is definitely not thermite or nano-thermite? Is that a fair statement?

In what context are you using the word 'source'? They know where it came from, the WTC. They don't know who made it (though how that factors in is beyond me as it does nothing to strengthen or weaken the truther movement), but they suspect that it's likely from company already named in the report.

And yes, it is 100% not thermite or nano-thermite (or any other sinister substance for that matter). What's the confusion?

 

[beachnut]

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I submit to you that Dr. Millette has kept his promise.

The next several posts contain the results of Dr. James Millette’s study. Onward!

Good job piggybacking on other studies and funding the work. Here you are doing it for free... You organized funding for a study, while, Gage took in over 300,000 dollars and he has funded zero studies to back up his delusions.

chrismohr - 1 Gage - 0

Good work

 

[moorea34]

Yes, excellent job Chris

And thanks to Jim Millette also!

 

[Edx]

Good job piggybacking on other studies and funding the work. Here you are doing it for free... You organized funding for a study, while, Gage took in over 300,000 dollars and he has funded zero studies to back up his delusions.

chrismohr - 1 Gage - 0

Good work

Thats the real kicker, isnt it?

If Gage wanted to have the scientitic community take notice he would have used some money to fund lots of studies, eventually if they all came back positive someone would have to listen. Even if each cost them 10 times as much as Chris' study, they could have still afforded many. Rather spend it on Gage's personal income.

Its almost as if they dont want to fund studies they think wont give them the results they want.......

 

[fourtoe]

Its almost as if they dont want to fund studies they think wont give them the results they want.......

That can't possibly be the reason!

I can't wait to read this article, it's such a bummer that by the time I get the chance to do so this thread will have 25 pages....I won't be able to read it until later tonight.

 

[DGM]

That can't possibly be the reason!

I can't wait to read this article, it's such a bummer that by the time I get the chance to do so this thread will have 25 pages....I won't be able to read it until later tonight.

The actually article won't be out for a while. This is a summary. Nothing really surprising. He more or less duplicated what Harrit et al did. They didn't find thermite either. So far I haven't seen anything that wouldn't have been discovered if they did a competent peer-review.

 

[cjnewson88]

Ok so, correct me if I'm wrong.. but..

In Summery;

1) Red/Gray Chips are Not Thermite

2) Red/Gray Chips are Not Primer Paint

3) However, Red/Gray Chips Could Be Laclede Primer Paint?

What other source for the chips could their be? Clarity please if anyone can provide it

edit: Oh and Thanks Chris! Very much appreciated by all! Thanks to Jim too!

 

[leftysergeant]

I am still a little troubled by the fact that no strontium chromate was found in Millette's study. This would have absolutely confirmed the La Clede theory, but then, we are looking for less than 1% of the total mass of the material.

The absolute lack of discernable elemental aluminum positively rules out the possibility that the chips are thermite of any nature.

 

[fourtoe]

The actually article won't be out for a while. This is a summary. Nothing really surprising. He more or less duplicated what Harrit et al did. They didn't find thermite either. So far I haven't seen anything that wouldn't have been discovered if they did a competent peer-review.

Yeah, summary not article, my bad. Mohr mentioned that he was gonna present his findings at a conference first, IIRC. I will totally read this summary later.

 

[chrismohr]

I am still a little troubled by the fact that no strontium chromate was found in Millette's study. This would have absolutely confirmed the La Clede theory, but then, we are looking for less than 1% of the total mass of the material.

The absolute lack of discernable elemental aluminum positively rules out the possibility that the chips are thermite of any nature.

Jim Millette told me personally, because I asked, if he found strontium chromate and he said no, none.