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WTC collapse video showing the core collapse

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Came across this video posted on the Straight Dope message boards. At 19:57 you can see the remains of the core still standing in the dust cloud, part of it falls to the left, and then the remainder collapses down, disappearing from view about 20:09.

I'm not 100% up on all the collapse videos out there so I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I found it an interesting view of the standing core, and subsequent collapse, after the supporting floors and walls were stripped away.

 
Search Google for the "WTC Spire", this video and others show up a lot along with a lot of images showing the same thing. The no planer whackjobs like to use it to show the "Dustification" of steel.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
Search Google for the "WTC Spire", this video and others show up a lot along with a lot of images showing the same thing. The no planer whackjobs like to use it to show the "Dustification" of steel.
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I think the ae911truth perspective on this is that it technically occured after the collapse. Since the collapse occured at 66% freefall speed or as we say " nearly freefall", this is simply a 600 ft post-collapse event.

Probably the explosive in these elements failed to go off. it would good to see if these are also the column elements with shape charge cuts in the base.?
 
Did they miss any theories in the first two minutes of dialogue in the video ? There was planes, no planes, missiles and an internal explosion coming out. Did I miss anything in those two minutes ?

Jeez and where they dub in the sound of the fire truck and police car at the five minute mark is a little overdone don't you think ? I mean the sound never deviates so the truck is not moving . People on the street would have killed the driver the noise level there would have been so extreme.

....It's a Military plane at 12.20-odd. Is this for real ?

Interesting video..

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6147946&postcount=1 Hyperlink to video
 
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bill smith said:
Did they miss any theories in the first two minutes of dialogue in the video ? There was planes, no planes, missiles and an internal explosion coming out. Did I miss anything in those two minutes ?

Jeez and where they dub in the sound of the fire truck and police car at the five minute mark is a little overdone don't you think ? I mean the sound never deviates so the truck is not moving . People on the street would have killed the driver the noise level there would have been so extreme.

....It's a Military plane at 12.20-odd. Is this for real ?

Interesting video..

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6147946&postcount=1 Hyperlink to video
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An important message from the video is that if you live in the middle east that this kind of thing goes on every day. I wonder which arabic country the speaker comes from ?
 
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The thread has turned into a who's the best troll contest between Tom And Bill.
 
Bill, can't you restrain your contempt and cynicism sometimes? Please...





Some things I noticed:

- Around 17:20 a fighter plane - first time that I am aware of that one of the Otis birds show in a video. Between the two collapses. Hard to put a time stamp to that (and of course that moment may well not be the arrival of the CAP)
- At 19:41, the guy yells "OMG", signalling his becoming aware that the second collapse just commenced. So start of collapse was probably 19:39, or 19:40 if he reacted very quickly
- Collapse ist still underway at 19:55. Possibly a second or two beyond that. So collapse time (disregarding the delayed falling of the core) is at least 14 seconds, more likely 16 or 17 seconds. free-fall time from 95th story (where collapse began; about 360 meters up) would have been 8.6s, from roof (415m) about 9.2 seconds. So collapse was between 50% and 95% slower than free-fall.
- Collapse initiation is not accompanied by any major sound such as the sharp and insanely loud PENG from column-cutting high-explosives.
- 11:45: The people apparently were taken by surprise by the second hit; were not rolling film when the plane approached, but she obviously was scrambling to get it started, for she was filming just when the fireball emerged. Best explanation for this is she sensed the second plane coming in. Here speculation "military plane" can be excused: It was coming from the other side of the towers, and it is very difficult to identify a plane that is approaching you overhead. At 13:03 she explains to Bob: "It was a huuuge plane" - drawing out the u in "huge". So the identification "military" may be speculative and wrong, but they did see a HUGE plane coming, which prompted her to restart the camera..
 
Oystein said:
Bill, can't you restrain your contempt and cynicism sometimes? Please...





Some things I noticed:

- Around 17:20 a fighter plane - first time that I am aware of that one of the Otis birds show in a video. Between the two collapses. Hard to put a time stamp to that (and of course that moment may well not be the arrival of the CAP)
- At 19:41, the guy yells "OMG", signalling his becoming aware that the second collapse just commenced. So start of collapse was probably 19:39, or 19:40 if he reacted very quickly
- Collapse ist still underway at 19:55. Possibly a second or two beyond that. So collapse time (disregarding the delayed falling of the core) is at least 14 seconds, more likely 16 or 17 seconds. free-fall time from 95th story (where collapse began; about 360 meters up) would have been 8.6s, from roof (415m) about 9.2 seconds. So collapse was between 50% and 95% slower than free-fall.
- Collapse initiation is not accompanied by any major sound such as the sharp and insanely loud PENG from column-cutting high-explosives.
- 11:45: The people apparently were taken by surprise by the second hit; were not rolling film when the plane approached, but she obviously was scrambling to get it started, for she was filming just when the fireball emerged. Best explanation for this is she sensed the second plane coming in. Here speculation "military plane" can be excused: It was coming from the other side of the towers, and it is very difficult to identify a plane that is approaching you overhead. At 13:03 she explains to Bob: "It was a huuuge plane" - drawing out the u in "huge". So the identification "military" may be speculative and wrong, but they did see a HUGE plane coming, which prompted her to restart the camera..
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Fascinating...
 
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