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Wtc 7

I am a citizen exploring claims contrary to the mainstream ones regarding the event of 9/11 - although most I find serious fault with. Today, a professor stated during a discussion on the matter that WTC 7 was "imploded" and that Silverstein had made a statement to the media compounding this fact. The conversation then turned: since it takes a "long time" to rig a building for demolishing, the "devices" had to be put in place in advance... perhaps during the time the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled from the WTC complex...Also, the prof. said that various media had reported the collapse of WTC 7 before the collapse occurred...

Now, those are the points the prof. raised. It is my understanding, though, that WTC 7 collapsed due to extensive damage following the collapse of the other two main towers...and that the bomb sniffing dogs had been on site earlier due to unrelated threats that had been phoned in...apparently the threats stopped and so the dogs were pulled out..but I don't remember where I read this...and I want to go back to class with facts and sources(which he did not have with him).

So, I've decided to reach out for some input, if I might.
The OP; asked for information, not more woo.

It turns out morons made up the implosion ideas based on ignorance, hearsay, lies and delusions.

Those who lack knowledge and fail to try to improve their lot make up lies, believe in delusions and can’t believe fire destroys building.
 
I just have one question.

Why is the zombie thread still going? ;) *runs away from the zombie thread*

(forgive me; I desperately need some humor in my life right now due to family issues and I'm trying to find it wherever I can; carry on.)
 
Sabrina! Nice to see you. Hope the family stuff works out OK. We'll be here, waiting for zombies to show.
 
Inneresting, alienentity. I don't have the video capability to test this.

Looks like the standard height of the upper floors was 12'9", except for the belt truss floors. I don't know about the mechanical floors at the top though. See page 21 here:
John Salvarinas: "Seven World Trade Center, New York, Fabrication and Construction Aspects" (PDF)

thx, I also had forgotten part of the calc anyway, so my timing was wrong.
My apologies.

But in any case I obviously calculated too great a distance for the drop. It was less - I will have to find more accurate info.
 
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bill, what role do you think the FDNY played in your "smoke generator" scenario?
 
I'm afraid I don't know.

I'll rephrase. There are no reports from anyone in the FDNY claiming they witnessed "smoke generators". Don't you therefore find it fatal to any theory involving "smoke generators" that hundreds of fire professionals failed to notice their use taking place right in front of them? If not, why?
 
Hi all,

I'm still doing research on the collapse for my next video. Read through the rest of the NIST report etc...

Out of curiosity I checked into the Landmark building demolition in Texas. Here's a bit of background:

At 380 feet (116 metres) tall this was the tallest building to be demolished in Texas and the 15th tallest building in the United States to be demolished at that time.
- The Landmark Tower was imploded on Saturday, March 18, 2006 at 7:42 am.

Ok, I got a copy of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ
Loaded it into Final Cut Pro, and proceeded to find the start of collapse - I chose the big explosions at the base (hey, the flashes are so easy to see, very convenient) preceding the collapse (T=0), following it as far as I could see things still dropping. There's a lot of dust obscuring the final moments. My final estimate is T=7 - 8 seconds

Freefall for 116 metres is 4.86 sec
Observed collapse was in the 7sec range.

a=4.73 m/s2 for the overall collapse. About 50% the rate of freefall.

So it isn't clear at all from this evidence that freefall collapse is proof of controlled demolition.
In fact it's exceedingly unclear to me how one could engineer 7 floors of WTC7 to simultaneously collapse without requiring large and very noticeable demolition charges. Since there is no evidence of such charges going off, logic dictates that the mechanism was something along the lines that NIST postulates.

Thermite also fails completely to explain a simultaneous global collapse, since it couldn't conceivably have acted in such an instantaneous fashion applied to PART of an already ongoing collapse.

Note: in both the WTC7 and WTC 1 and 2 cases global collapse - at whatever speed you like - was already underway without requiring explosives. As Leslie Robertson (head SE of the towers) pointed out, once the upper block of floors was falling, nothing could have stopped the towers from collapsing.
With WTC7, once column 79 failed, exposing Truss 1 to the impact of 30+ floors of collapsing debris, it would have taken a miracle to stop the rest of the E-W failure of trusses and columns. Perhaps the best-case scenario might have been the survival of Truss 3, holding up 1/4 of the building.
Is it surprising that the whole building went down given the events? No. Very, very unusual and rare, but then 9-11 was an extremely rare event, unlikely to happen again.

However, to the skeptical, non-paranoid mind, a rare occurrence is not proof of a government plot. Those who wish to blame George W. Bush ( a surprisingly incompetent leader, if you'll excuse my judgement) forget that he had been in office less than 8 months when the attacks occurred. Considering the immense effort to plan and execute an enormous conspiracy as the 'Truthers' allege, it would be equally necessary for the Clinton administration to have initiated the efforts - how else? Even the development and testing of special silent explosives, and nano-thermite horizontal cutting devices would surely have required multi-year efforts.

Why isn't Bill Clinton being vilified for this alleged war crime? He's as guilty as Bush is.

:chihuahua
 
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I'll rephrase. There are no reports from anyone in the FDNY claiming they witnessed "smoke generators". Don't you therefore find it fatal to any theory involving "smoke generators" that hundreds of fire professionals failed to notice their use taking place right in front of them? If not, why?

I can only speak to the evidence of my own eyes which tell me i am looking at a mechanical smoke generator. I can't speak for what the firefighters and others might or might not have seen Johnny.
 
come on? are we seriously, discussing "smoke generators"?

really?

on that note, I am out of this thread, until it lands somewhere near reality.

TAM
 
I can only speak to the evidence of my own eyes which tell me i am looking at a mechanical smoke generator. I can't speak for what the firefighters and others might or might not have seen Johnny.

This supposed "evidence" does not exist in a vacuum. What about the eyes of hundreds of fire professionals experienced in observing smoke dynamics who were in position to see this phenomena firsthand? None of them corroborate your theory. Why do you feel your after the fact, layperson's opinion trumps theirs?
 

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