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roundhead said:
I suggest you read up on the Gulf Of Tonkin Incident. It is remarkably similar to the Intel that lead up to the Iraq invasion. In other words fabricated, deceitful, and in some cases outright false.
The decisions made based on this bogus and fabricated information cost 58,000 American lives.

Taking poor, incomplete, or downright fabricated information, and using this to involve the US in war with no or extremely limited justification to have as its result the death of thousands of Americans didnt start on 9/11.
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Reading can be fun! You should try it as your wrong on both counts!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident


Gulf of Tonkin Incident was a pair of attacks initiated by naval forces of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (the Communist government of North Vietnam) against two American destroyers, the USS Maddox and the USS Turner Joy. The incident occurred on August 2 and 4, 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin.[1] The incident prompted the first large-scale involvement of U.S. armed forces in Vietnam.
 
Is your professor Dylan Avery? Though counterintuitive, professors can be idiots too.
 
audesapre said:
First, thanks for the replies, and links. In reply to the ad hominem comments...the guy actually is bright, in certain ways...which I understand sounds apologist-esque...but he seems kind and learned...
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No one who speaks upon such a topic with such obvious ignorance is bright or learned.
 
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Matthew Best said:
Talk about blatantly false accusations! I made no accusation and I don't know how a critical thinker can say that I did. I did not accuse you or anybody else of saying "go away, truther scum" in this thread or anywhere else. Perhaps you should read my post again?
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Oh...sorry....on second thought, I don't apologize cause here is your post.
Matthew Best said:
When they come to somewhere like this, and the first response they get is "go away, truther scum", or something similar, I don't think we'll be doing much in the way of moulding young minds or influencing people to think critically.
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So you read it and you still think I've accused you (or someone else) of having already done something that (in my hypothetical example) takes place up to ten years in the future?

Par - thanks for the information.
 
Your Prof is a smart man, you should listen to him.

Ask yourselves how you get 'cauliflower' (pyroclastic flow) type smoke clouds from a falling
building
Image of pyroclastic flow
http://www.geo.umn.edu/courses/1001/Summer_Session/img011.JPG

Image of dust flow
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/1DustCloudAP_468x312.jpg

Also think about the amount of force it took for those heavy steel beams
to shoot across 350 feet and cut through the core columns of WTC7.

Is that gravity induced?

When the Penthouse fell, why did the building pause for a few seconds
before falling?

The beams supporting the Penthouse obviously broke loose from the
remainder of the building, otherwise it all would have move at once, correct?

So how did the other columns fail simultaneously?

Stop frame analysis:
http://www.procision-auto.com/Tino/wtc7.1.jpg
http://www.procision-auto.com/Tino/wtc7.2.jpg
http://www.procision-auto.com/Tino/wtc7.3.jpg
http://www.procision-auto.com/Tino/wtc7.4.jpg
 
Hokulele said:
Originally Posted by Turbofan
Ask yourselves how you get 'cauliflower' (pyroclastic flow) type smoke clouds from a falling
building

...

Is that gravity induced?

...

Heh, considering the average pyroclastic flow is a gravity induced flow, this is funny.
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What's even funnier is you twisted my reply and misquoted the content.

The reference to gravity induced was about the steel beams :
Also think about the amount of force it took for those heavy steel beams
to shoot across 350 feet and cut through the core columns of WTC7.
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Pyroclastic flow needs what main criteria to occur? The flow may be
gravity driven, but what produces the 'cauliflower' appeal as compared to
a normal dust cloud (see photo references above)?
 
Turbofan said:
What's even funnier is you twisted my reply and misquoted the content.
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Heh. Pot, kettle, etc.

The reference to gravity induced was about the steel beams :
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Lovely. The juxtaposition was too funny to pass up, especially as it basically answered your question for you.

Pyroclastic flow needs what main criteria to occur?
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Gravity. Look it up.

The flow may be gravity driven, but what produces the 'cauliflower' appeal as compared to a normal dust cloud (see photo references above)?
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A pyroclastic flow is basically dust, ash, and super-heated gas. A "normal" dust cloud is perfectly capable of billowing in a similar manner. So the short answer is typical fluid dynamics create the appearance you note in your photo. There are videos of buildings collapsing in earthquakes that demonstrate identical dust clouds.

Those are gravity driven as well.
 
Turbofan said:
Ask yourselves how you get 'cauliflower' (pyroclastic flow) type smoke clouds from a falling
building
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And apparently either your a dumb man or a dishonest parrot of trutherisms. Do you care to tell us what the pyroclasts in the "pyroclastic" flow were?
 
Hokulele said:
A pyroclastic flow is basically dust, ash, and super-heated gas. A "normal" dust cloud is perfectly capable of billowing in a similar manner. So the short answer is typical fluid dynamics create the appearance you note in your photo. There are videos of buildings collapsing in earthquakes that demonstrate identical dust clouds.

Those are gravity driven as well.
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Typical. Nobody answered the questions, but rather asked questions...about
the questions....:boggled:

So you have proof of pyroclastic flow of buildings which fell from earthquakes?

Link them up. I 'd like to see your proof of this.

We can also watch the building(s) fall from side to side in your videos and
not straight down.
 
for those idiots who do not think you can get "Cauliflower" clouds from a falling building...

and no, before you mention it, the clouds are not the results of the explosives (for the love of god)...

go to the 52-58 second mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkiwNxfB4GM

TAM:)
 
Turbofan said:
Typical. Nobody answered the questions, but rather asked questions...about
the questions....:boggled:

So you have proof of pyroclastic flow of buildings which fell from earthquakes?

Link them up. I 'd like to see your proof of this.

We can also watch the building(s) fall from side to side in your videos and
not straight down.
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What were the pyroclasts in this alleged pyroclastic flow?
 
Turbofan said:
Answer my questions first.

Show me the video of earthquake buildings creating this pyroclastic flow.

Stop dodging. Start thinking.
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Excuse me? Did I say anything about pyroclastic flows being caused by anything? Pyroclastic flows are a volcanic phenomenon. Read the damn thread to find out who said what. Now answer my question which was asked to you well before anybody brought up earthquakes.
 
audesapre said:
But IS "pull" some sort of code in the demolishing business? I mean, you google "pull" and "demolition" and get 9/11 CT sites right back...so...
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Why not call Controlled Demolitions Inc and ask them? Not that you'd be the first. Pumpitout.com's 'Jeff' did exactly that - and here is the result of his enquiry:

Receptionist: Good afternoon, Loizeaux Company.
Jeff: Um, sorry, do I -- is this Controlled Demolitions?
Receptionist: Yes it is.
Jeff: Ok - I was wondering if there was someone I could talk to briefly -- just ask a question I had?
Receptionist: Well, what kind of question?
Jeff: Well, I just wanted to know what a term meant in demolition terms.
Receptionist: Ok - what type of term?
Jeff: Well, if you were in the demolition business and you said the, the term "pull it," I was wondering what exactly that would mean?
Receptionist: "Pull it"?
Jeff: Yeah.
Receptionist: Hmm......... Hold on a minute.
Jeff: Thank you.
(Pause while receptionist consults CDI colleagues)
Receptionist: Sir?
Jeff: Yes?
Receptionist: "Pull it" is when they actually pull it down.
Jeff: Oh. Well, thank you very much for your time.
Receptionist: Okay!
Jeff: Bye.
Receptionist: Bye.
http://www.pumpitout.com/phone_calls/controlled_demolitions.mp3

As to it referring to 'pulling' the firefighters out, we would need to examine when any such firefighting took place. According to NIST's Shyam Sunder:
"There was no firefighting in WTC 7".
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5

As to no one dying in the collapse of WTC7, we can be certain that at least one person did:
"When 7 World Trade Center came down on Sept. 11, an agent on loan from Washington, special officer Craig Miller, perished, and the entire Secret Service office was buried in that building."Steve Carey, SS special agent

I hope you find this information helpful.
 
There was, I believe, some initial firefighting, but not sustained. I also recall that they still had a contingent of firefighters holding a perimeter around the building.

TAM:)
 
damien pastaume said:
As to no one dying in the collapse of WTC7, we can be certain that at least one person did:
"When 7 World Trade Center came down on Sept. 11, an agent on loan from Washington, special officer Craig Miller, perished, and the entire Secret Service office was buried in that building."Steve Carey, SS special agent
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How does he died while attempting to rescue others from the WTC site morph into he died in WTC 7? Is it because there was a secret service office there that such a wild accusation is being made? Are you accusing Larry Silverstein of murder?
 
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