WTC 7 report aftermath - Truthers claims that we'll be hearing

[RedIbis]

Why would "teh conspirators" do something that clearly is an oddity, a first in history? Why would they attempt to bring attention to this building's collapse by making it extraordinary?
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No one said it was a particularly well planned conspiracy.

 

[WildCat]

No one said it was a particularly well planned conspiracy.

It's fooled everyone except those profoundly ignorant of engineering, math, science, history, and a few pecent of the people at the lower end of the IQ scale, apparently.

 

[roundhead]

It's fooled everyone except those profoundly ignorant of engineering, math, science, history, and a few pecent of the people at the lower end of the IQ scale, apparently.

I dont know that i would agree that its fooled everybody. The Govt has going into this a level of credibility that to most people would seem above reproach. Much like an 80 year old man that has led a perfectly innocent life by all acounts, then runs into a supermarket and kills 5 people. It is completely unexpected.

Couple the Govt doing something most everyday people would consider unthinkable, lay down a huge smokescreen of "seeming plausibility" via MSM, and the truth is accordingly going to have a tough time rearing its head and being seen through the smoke.

Fortunately, the 9/11 attacks were carried out so poorly, that there are a ton of cracks that the truth has opportunity to reveal itself from.

My hope is that in the near future these chinks in the official armour become so apparent they will force themselves to be dealt with.

It simply a matter of time till this happens, how much time is the million dollar question.

All those like myself, who are well aware the official story stinks to high heaven can do till then, is to continue point out the idiocity of the official explanation, and hope we daily convert somebody else to sensibility.

 

[mrbaracuda]

I dont know that i would agree that its fooled everybody. The Govt has going into this a level of credibility that to most people would seem above reproach. Much like an 80 year old man that has led a perfectly innocent life by all acounts, then runs into a supermarket and kills 5 people. It is completely unexpected.

Couple the Govt doing something most everyday people would consider unthinkable, lay down a huge smokescreen of "seeming plausibility" via MSM, and the truth is accordingly going to have a tough time rearing its head and being seen through the smoke.

Fortunately, the 9/11 attacks were carried out so poorly, that there are a ton of cracks that the truth has opportunity to reveal itself from.

My hope is that in the near future these chinks in the official armour become so apparent they will force themselves to be dealt with.

It simply a matter of time till this happens, how much time is the million dollar question.

The world you live in is truly FU**EDNNY.

 

[beachnut]

but we now learned that removing the interior walls and prepare works on Columns are overestimated, seems like it is not really that important.
also its not needed to place explosives on most columns, a few will do it.

not only will the Building codes change. also the CD experts learned alot.

You must remove the wall and insulation to use thermite or explosives. So what does the device look like to destroy a column in WTC7? Truth movement ideas on WTC7 add up to massive failure. Present some evidence, the only thing your posts have correct is contained in your signature.

CD experts did not learn from WTC7, that idea is flawed. But you could try to explain what you mean. redo

The only thing missing in your implication of fantasy is the sound of explosives. How do you cling to failed ideas when you have no evidence? What level of ignorance on fire and explosives does it take to believe in the lies and fantasy of 9/11 truth, and be persistent at proving it?

In the real world explosives make big sounds, in the truth movement world explosives are silent and they must cherry pick people who said sounded "like". So the truth world is a quote mined, cherry picked, hearsay world of false information and failed conclusions. The truth movement fails to understand science, math, and physics. Why? What make the truth movement so anti-intellectual?

How bad can you be at understanding what they said? For instance, for thermite to be used it must stay in contact with the column the whole time. This means all the fire proofing has to be removed to the steel. There also has to be some device to keep the thermite in contact with the steel column as it quickly reacts. Thermite will flow with gravity and fail to stay on the column. The device needed to keep the thermite in place would require disruption of the entire area in the building where the thermite is planted. The single dumbest idea on 9/11 is the thermite crap made up out of the blue by Jones in 2005! He makes it up and idiots all around the world glom onto his fantasy without thinking! Jones says people carried the thermite into the buildings in bag and planted it! What a dolt. Was Jones as big a failure in Cold Fusion as he is in investigating 9/11?

It was funny to listen to the idiot reporter from InfoWars, too dumb to understand the stupid ideas he spews are junk. How dumb do you have to be to be a 9/11 truth apologist journalist, too dumb to grasp science and physics?

If 9/11 truth members would take the time to gain education in firefighting they would not be the people spewing idiot ideas about WTC7.

 

[WildCat]

All those like myself, who are well aware the official story stinks to high heaven can do till then, is to continue point out the idiocity of the official explanation, and hope we daily convert somebody else to sensibility.

Your time would be better spent injecting lead into the US water supply. This way in 20 years or so everyone would be at the same level as truthers, who obviously spent their childhoods eating lead paint chips.

 

[beachnut]

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All those like myself, who are well aware the official story stinks to high heaven can do till then, is to continue point out the idiocity of the official explanation, and hope we daily convert somebody else to sensibility.

Failed fantasy. You lack the following areas, traits, skills, and objects to make conclusions that match reality:
Knowledge
education
evidence
facts
logic
sound judgment
rational thought
thorough research
physics
math
With so many areas you need to work on; where do you start?

Example; I started a list of evidence presented to support your ideas on 9/11:
1.

Not any! When will you try to present some evidence?

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Fortunately, the 9/11 attacks were carried out so poorly, that there are a ton of cracks that the truth has opportunity to reveal itself from.
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Sure! This is the dumbest statement yet about 9/11. When you find your cracks be sure to take them to the press, I would stick with InfoWars, unless you want to be called a guy with nut case ideas.

 

[e^n]

I dont know that i would agree that its fooled everybody. The Govt has going into this a level of credibility that to most people would seem above reproach. Much like an 80 year old man that has led a perfectly innocent life by all acounts, then runs into a supermarket and kills 5 people. It is completely unexpected.

Are you joking? I don't know if you live in some massively pro-Bush area but I am from the UK and believe me the US government is not held in any regard at all amongst the majority here.

Fortunately, the 9/11 attacks were carried out so poorly, that there are a ton of cracks that the truth has opportunity to reveal itself from.

So despite them being carried out terribly, not a single person involved has come forward? Nobody with inside knowledge has said anything? You have found absolutely no conclusive element and have yet to produce even a coherent theory?

For being terribly carried out, these attacks seem to have confounded a lot of people for quite a long time.

My hope is that in the near future these chinks in the official armour become so apparent they will force themselves to be dealt with.

It simply a matter of time till this happens, how much time is the million dollar question.

It's funny because I have seen quite a few JFK CTs make this point. It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of evidence.

All those like myself, who are well aware the official story stinks to high heaven can do till then, is to continue point out the idiocity of the official explanation, and hope we daily convert somebody else to sensibility.

I'm afraid all you do is show up your own inability to research facts.

 

[roundhead]

Are you joking? I don't know if you live in some massively pro-Bush area but I am from the UK and believe me the US government is not held in any regard at all amongst the majority here.


So despite them being carried out terribly, not a single person involved has come forward? Nobody with inside knowledge has said anything? You have found absolutely no conclusive element and have yet to produce even a coherent theory?

For being terribly carried out, these attacks seem to have confounded a lot of people for quite a long time.


It's funny because I have seen quite a few JFK CTs make this point. It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of evidence.


I'm afraid all you do is show up your own inability to research facts.

There are plenty of 9/11 whistleblowers.

 

[Pardalis]

No one said it was a particularly well planned conspiracy.

Again, you're not answering the question.

Why did they make this collapse an odd and extraordinary one?

 

[beachnut]

There are plenty of 9/11 whistleblowers.

And you lack the ability to list them and their evidence to prove they have something that is real. This is called massive failure. You never post evidence; why?

Try harder to make a complete post backed with sources and evidence.

 

[roundhead]

There are plenty of 9/11 whistleblowers.

Heck the Govt lied, and continues to lie to this day about the MLK murder. Even CNN, who recently did a piece about him, lied and distorted the truth about this sad affair.

Yet, as huge of news as it was, not one mainstream US source reported from the courtroom, regarding a trial, once they were made aware and presented all the evidence, took a jury only an hour to find the Govt lied about Ray.

Its a good example of how an extremely newsworthy event, was extorted from public view, as it proved the Govt lied about the case, and still does, and its bought and paid for media still shills to his day.


Once one sees something this cut and dried laid bare for what it was, and not reported on, one becomes aware of the circumstances facing the truth emerging from the shadows on any matter

 

[RedIbis]

Again, you're not answering the question.

Why did they make this collapse an odd and extraordinary one?

I think the real question is, why was this collapse so odd and extraordinary?

I don't expect you to actually answer that.

 

[roundhead]

I think the real question is, why was this collapse so odd and extraordinary?

I don't expect you to actually answer that.

I will.....


Its not odd or extraodinary, if one simply states the truth and says it was blown up. This happens quite frequently.

Its only odd when you try and pass it off as an office fire.


Square peg, meet round hole.

 

[Pardalis]

I think the real question is, why was this collapse so odd and extraordinary?

I don't expect you to actually answer that.

Because odd things happen.

Now could answer my question?

Why make it extraordinary? Why intentionally bring attention to it? Aren't conspiracies supposed to be secret and inconspicuous?

 

[beachnut]

I think the real question is, why was this collapse so odd and extraordinary?

I don't expect you to actually answer that.

The solution is too simple for truth movement apologist to grasp. Funny/ironic, the simple explanation takes a level of knowledge beyond your abilities.
Fire destroys building. That is what happens when fires are not fought. Why are you unable to grasp that?

You fell for the bait and asked a stupid question.

Unfought fires destroy buildings. You don't understand this fact due to lack of knowledge, lack of logical thing, failure to form rational conclusions, and other barriers to education. Until you improve in many areas of critical thinking you are lost to make poor posts and maintain your truth movement apologist status. It is clear the only people who fail to understand NIST's report on WTC7, lack education and knowledge. That is call ignorance, a lock of understanding and no capability to form rational, reality based conclusions on WTC7.

 

[RedIbis]

Because odd things happen.

Now could answer my question?

Why make it extraordinary? Why intentionally bring attention to it? Aren't conspiracies supposed to be secret and inconspicuous?

Not everything goes exactly as planned.

 

[e^n]

There are plenty of 9/11 whistleblowers.

Can you name one?

I think the real question is, why was this collapse so odd and extraordinary?

I don't expect you to actually answer that.

I will. This collapse was so odd and extraordinary because as the words used to describe it suggest, a very odd and extraordinary series of events took place.

Not everything goes exactly as planned.

Another answer which is simply handwaving. We were to believe the truthers, it would appear nothing went right for the government. In fact some truthers claim to have evidence from every single event that day that proves the "official story" false. This would seem quite extraordinary, that people could fail so badly but have so many people utterly convinced.

 

[Pardalis]

Redibis, you're planning mass murder, and you've got to get rid of a building at the same time. You got two choices:

A) make it as inconspicuous and banal as possible, so that no one will notice it and quickly forget it.

B) make it a first time in history event, make it so strange and almost inexplicable that people will rack their brains trying to figure it out for years afterwards. Create an aura of mystery around it so that as much suspicion is drawn to it.

If you were a conspirator, what option would you choose?

 

[RedIbis]

Redibis, you're planning mass murder, and you've got to get rid of a building at the same time. You got two choices:

A) make it as inconspicuous and banal as possible, so that no one will notice it and quickly forget it.

B) make it a first time in history event, make it so strange and almost inexplicable that people will rack their brains trying to figure it out for years afterwards. Create an aura of mystery around it so that as much suspicion is drawn to it.

If you were a conspirator, what option would you choose?

A) Check post #37 again.