WTC 7 hit but not adjacent buildings

[JSanderO]

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What I am saying is the abnormal fixation on HOW by many people must, to some degree, have been influenced by mass media pushing that while at the same time suppressing the more normal and relevant question of WHY.

Indeed there was a concerted effort right after the event to NOT look at the attack as a response to US policies... We heard things like: They hate us for our freedoms... Complete nonsense... but it motivated John Q Public to want to defend his freedoms... We heard things like: Radical Islam wants to conquer the Christian USA and impose Sharia law... Complete nonsense but it motivated John Q Public to want to defend his christianity. How easily it was to manipulate the people and silence any rational discussion about cause and effect, blowback and use of war to settle dispute... the US's preferred approach (big stick DOD)

We adopted the full spectrum dominance meme which neatly encompassed the economic goals of the energy corps AND the Israeli firsters who had made Israel the US's best buddy and reason to "be in the ME" to protect our ally and our "strategic interests" read energy reserves.

The truth side has completely discounted the nature of the US policies and alliances in the ME and what effect that had on locals and the few who had become radicalized fighting against the intervention of outsiders... be it USSR or European powers and of course the USA.

 

[jaydeehess]

Indeed there was a concerted effort right after the event to NOT look at the attack as a response to US policies... We heard things like: They hate us for our freedoms... Complete nonsense... but it motivated John Q Public to want to defend his freedoms... We heard things like: Radical Islam wants to conquer the Christian USA and impose Sharia law... Complete nonsense but it motivated John Q Public to want to defend his christianity. How easily it was to manipulate the people and silence any rational discussion about cause and effect, blowback and use of war to settle dispute... the US's preferred approach (big stick DOD)

We adopted the full spectrum dominance meme which neatly encompassed the economic goals of the energy corps AND the Israeli firsters who had made Israel the US's best buddy and reason to "be in the ME" to protect our ally and our "strategic interests" read energy reserves.

The truth side has completely discounted the nature of the US policies and alliances in the ME and what effect that had on locals and the few who had become radicalized fighting against the intervention of outsiders... be it USSR or European powers and of course the USA.

From the outside, looking in, as a Canadian I am pretty much immune to American jingoism such as "they hate us for our freedoms". In fact on Sept 11/2001 the group of us at work watching had two questions;
1) how could a pilot make such a terrible mistake?
which later, after tower two was hit and they were obvious deliberate hits
2) WHY would anyone do that?

I found it quite odd that the American news media, and make no mistake, Canadians get all major American TV networks ( Even CNN is the American broadcast, not CNN International) failed to examine the history that led up to these attacks. Its as if the African Embassy bombings and the Cole bombing and other attacks world wide are considered completely separate and unconnected incidents from Sept 11/2001.

Then we have the 911TM and their insistence that 7WTC has some special significance, at least equal to that of the towers. This is the polar opposite of how the media treats Islamic militant history. In this case we have a structure that 99% of Americans never heard of until after 5 pm on Sept 11/2001, and which 99.999999% of non-Americans never heard of, a building that holds no special significance to American power and wealth, and it is pursued as a 'smoking gun' in a large and stupendiously complicated conspiracy of a shadowy ruling class.

 

[ozeco41]

Indeed there was a concerted effort right after the event to NOT look at the attack as a response to US policies... We heard things like: They hate us for our freedoms... Complete nonsense... but it motivated John Q Public to want to defend his freedoms... We heard things like: Radical Islam wants to conquer the Christian USA and impose Sharia law... Complete nonsense but it motivated John Q Public to want to defend his christianity. How easily it was to manipulate the people and silence any rational discussion about cause and effect, blowback and use of war to settle dispute... the US's preferred approach (big stick DOD)

We adopted the full spectrum dominance meme which neatly encompassed the economic goals of the energy corps AND the Israeli firsters who had made Israel the US's best buddy and reason to "be in the ME" to protect our ally and our "strategic interests" read energy reserves.

The truth side has completely discounted the nature of the US policies and alliances in the ME and what effect that had on locals and the few who had become radicalized fighting against the intervention of outsiders... be it USSR or European powers and of course the USA.

 

[jaydeehess]

And the sad part is you are not exaggerating, some Truthers make almost that claim about 9/11 and WTC7.

,,, and I am sadly aware that you are correct.

 

[Travis]

Indeed there was a concerted effort right after the event to NOT look at the attack as a response to US policies... We heard things like: They hate us for our freedoms... Complete nonsense... but it motivated John Q Public to want to defend his freedoms... We heard things like: Radical Islam wants to conquer the Christian USA and impose Sharia law... Complete nonsense but it motivated John Q Public to want to defend his christianity. How easily it was to manipulate the people and silence any rational discussion about cause and effect, blowback and use of war to settle dispute... the US's preferred approach (big stick DOD)

We adopted the full spectrum dominance meme which neatly encompassed the economic goals of the energy corps AND the Israeli firsters who had made Israel the US's best buddy and reason to "be in the ME" to protect our ally and our "strategic interests" read energy reserves.

The truth side has completely discounted the nature of the US policies and alliances in the ME and what effect that had on locals and the few who had become radicalized fighting against the intervention of outsiders... be it USSR or European powers and of course the USA.

Not really. Motive was irrelevant at that point. I know I chaffed at the time whenever anyone brought up "motive."

I was like "I don't care why they did it. We are going to go kill them! All of them!"

 

[jaydeehess]

Many, including me, felt the way you did Travis, but also wondered at motive to the end of how to modify the chances of a repeat. Its the old adage, those who ignore history are destined to repeat it.

 

[Robrob]

Many, including me, felt the way you did Travis, but also wondered at motive to the end of how to modify the chances of a repeat. Its the old adage, those who ignore history are destined to repeat it.

Yes. It's not incompatible to be willing/eager to go get the people responsibility for murdering ~3,000 citizens and at the same time trying to understand why it happened and how to prevent it from ever happening again.

 

[JSanderO]

Of course there was no motive to destroy 7WTC... it's demise was a consequence of the initial plane strike which hit 1WTC. And of course motive of the attack has a political significance / motive. The motive has nothing to do with the technical matters related to the collapse. it could be argued that the motive was simply to strike a significant blow to the US, to penetrate her defenses, her borders. The hijackings accomplished that. Using the hijacked planes as missiles to hit iconic symbols of American power seemed to be not unlike what a Palestinian suicide bomber did... on steroids. Palestinians feel they experience gross mistreatment by Israelis... Apparently there were Islamic radicals who felt/feel gross mistreatment by the USA to motivate them to engage in the 9/11 attack... and more.

The truth movement seems to completely dismiss the notion that radicals from the ME would have the ability to pull of the attack or even that they were organized as a coherent force. One of the main thrusts of the truth movement is that the attack was a false flag, that US intel has created and uses terrorism to shape US public opinion and policy.

I would argue that the debris from 1WTC had nothing to do with the collapse of 7WTC and that the collapse was a sequence of failures beginning with electrical explosions starting unfought fires in the load transfer structure region caused by electrical shorts in 1WTC which impacted the Con Ed power station under 7WTC.

One thing led to another, but it wasn't falling debris which did in 7WTC.

 

[Horatius]

One thing led to another, but it wasn't falling debris which did in 7WTC.

Well, I suppose it depends on a philosophical point. It's a bit like saying it wasn't the match that burned down the house, it was the fire the match started. Well, that's obviously true, but without the match, the house would still be there.

 

[JSanderO]

Well, I suppose it depends on a philosophical point. It's a bit like saying it wasn't the match that burned down the house, it was the fire the match started. Well, that's obviously true, but without the match, the house would still be there.

I know my view about 7WTC is not supported by the official account supporters or the 911truth ones so it puts me out in left field. I do believe ultimately it was heat which was the straw which broke the camel's back so to speak. But I believe the location was down between floors 5&7 in the load transfer region 40 stories below the east penthouse. And I suspect what kicked off the fires down there was electrical explosions as a result of shorts caused by the AA plane hitting tower 1.

 

[Redwood]

Of course there was no motive to destroy 7WTC... it's demise was a consequence of the initial plane strike which hit 1WTC. And of course motive of the attack has a political significance / motive. The motive has nothing to do with the technical matters related to the collapse. it could be argued that the motive was simply to strike a significant blow to the US, to penetrate her defenses, her borders. The hijackings accomplished that. Using the hijacked planes as missiles to hit iconic symbols of American power seemed to be not unlike what a Palestinian suicide bomber did... on steroids. Palestinians feel they experience gross mistreatment by Israelis... Apparently there were Islamic radicals who felt/feel gross mistreatment by the USA to motivate them to engage in the 9/11 attack... and more.

The truth movement seems to completely dismiss the notion that radicals from the ME would have the ability to pull of the attack or even that they were organized as a coherent force. One of the main thrusts of the truth movement is that the attack was a false flag, that US intel has created and uses terrorism to shape US public opinion and policy.

I would argue that the debris from 1WTC had nothing to do with the collapse of 7WTC and that the collapse was a sequence of failures beginning with electrical explosions starting unfought fires in the load transfer structure region caused by electrical shorts in 1WTC which impacted the Con Ed power station under 7WTC.

One thing led to another, but it wasn't falling debris which did in 7WTC.

That may be, but there's still evidence of autos being set alight on West Broadway and on Barclay St, just to the north of WTC 7.

 

[JSanderO]

That may be, but there's still evidence of autos being set alight on West Broadway and on Barclay St, just to the north of WTC 7.

Of course there were flaming things including fuel which came off of tower 1 if I recall correctly.

 

[Redwood]

Originally Posted by Redwood
That may be, but there's still evidence of autos being set alight on West Broadway and on Barclay St, just to the north of WTC 7.

Of course there were flaming things including fuel which came off of tower 1 if I recall correctly.

It seems to me perfectly possible that a transformer in the Con-Ed blew when the South Tower collapsed. That may be what set off the fire alarm.

I don't think that jet fuel from the North Tower hit WTC 7 or parts close by, as the North Tower was struck on the North Side.