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Would a Republican government turn its back on Ukraine?

I Am The Scum

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Suppose Republicans take the House and Senate by 2024. Suppose that Donald Trump wins a second term. Suppose further that the war in Ukraine remains just as hot by that time.

Would a Republican-controlled government stifle aid to Ukraine? Would sanctions against Russia be reversed? Would Trump try to pull us out of NATO?

I have my own thoughts on the matter, but I'll let others comment.
 
Depends on what they can leverage out of Ukraine by withholding aide. That is a legal and accepted strategy for the republican party after all.

The question is clearly how much the want things from Ukraine and if Ukraine will give into their demands.
 
Of course.

The current support comes from pressure by the 'defense' industry, which delights in upgrading the equipment of NATO countries which have sent their outdated equipment to Ukraine. But that not going to continue.
Arguably, US weapons manufacturers will make more money if Ukraine loses than if it wins.

And, of course, the GQP Patron Saint Donald, First Of His Name, will get behind Putin's ass as soon as expedient, and the rest of the GQP will pretend that they never liked Ukraine in the first place.
 
I think a Republican Congress will stop aiding Ukraine. I think a President Trump will declare war on Ukraine.
 
To my eye, the Republicans are quite split on the issue. There's still plenty of anti-Russia sentiment in the more long-timer wings of the party, but Trump's little clique of neo-fascists are much more open to an isolationist world view, plus you have to consider how Ukraine/Russia play into all the various Q conspiracy theories.

If Trump were leading it I think it's very hard to predict considering how easily persuaded he seems to be on issues that aren't his personal hobbyhorses.
 
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Yes or no.

It just depends on which Conspiracy Theory they go with. That's not something that can be predicted with much confidence, but the CT movement generally leans pro-Russian.

And more and more the Republican Party is becoming the Conspiracy Theory party. There are still many GOP politicians who have opinions based on actual facts or philosophy or tradition or what, but the CT wing of the party gets stronger everyday.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Suppose Republicans take the House and Senate by 2024. Suppose that Donald Trump wins a second term. Suppose further that the war in Ukraine remains just as hot by that time.

Would a Republican-controlled government stifle aid to Ukraine? Would sanctions against Russia be reversed? Would Trump try to pull us out of NATO?

I have my own thoughts on the matter, but I'll let others comment.
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I expect that it all depends upon which way Trump decides to jump.

If Trump goes back to his original Putin butt-kissing, then I expect that nearly all of the Republicans will turn against Ukraine.

On the other hand, if Trump decides to stand up to Putin for once, then I expect that nearly all of the other Republicans will support Ukraine.
 
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The ******* ground level Maga idiots will believe whatever they are told to believe.
 
crescent said:
Yes or no.

It just depends on which Conspiracy Theory they go with. That's not something that can be predicted with much confidence, but the CT movement generally leans pro-Russian.

And more and more the Republican Party is becoming the Conspiracy Theory party. There are still many GOP politicians who have opinions based on actual facts or philosophy or tradition or what, but the CT wing of the party gets stronger everyday.
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This is pretty close to my thoughts.

Others have pointed out that Ukraine support polls highly (even among Republicans), but the right-wing populace has been an extremely fickle and unprincipled lot. Personal moral issues (such as marital infidelity) used to be a major qualification for a Republican candidate. Now, the right will look the other way. Balancing the budget used to be paramount. Now, they'll gladly blow it up.

I can easily imagine a series of events going like this:

1. Some rando on Twitter makes up a conspiracy theory that Zelensky stole the 2020 election for Biden.
2. Tucker Carlson reports on it like it's a fact.
3. The claim becomes God's honest truth as far as right-wing social media is concerned.
4. Trump shares it on his (Musk-restored) Twitter account.
5. Republicans fall in line, and Ukraine becomes the enemy of the people.
 
If Trump wins the presidency, the entire GOP (except maybe one or two members of Congress) would follow his lead whatever that is. If he said “Zelenskyy didn’t help me with my campaign. Can you believe that? He did a lot of bad things. A LOT of bad things. I can’t tell you how bad but when I spoke to Vlad, he said Sir! - he called me sir - he said Sir, there’s a lot of Nazis in Ukraine. A lot of Nazis. Nobody knows this but Russia was in a war against the Nazis back in World War Two - they were on our side, on our side! Nobody knows this but it’s true. And Hunter Biden was helping the Nazis. I would have won - well I did win - but I would have won even bigger without Zelensky….”

Tucker Carlson will go full on Triumph of the Will.

Also, has DeSantis said anything about Ukraine? Seems he has only said that it is Biden’s fault.

I expect either Trump or DeSantis will run with Tulsi Gabbard as their running mate.
 
I Am The Scum said:
This is pretty close to my thoughts.

Others have pointed out that Ukraine support polls highly (even among Republicans), but the right-wing populace has been an extremely fickle and unprincipled lot. Personal moral issues (such as marital infidelity) used to be a major qualification for a Republican candidate. Now, the right will look the other way. Balancing the budget used to be paramount. Now, they'll gladly blow it up.

I can easily imagine a series of events going like this:

1. Some rando on Twitter makes up a conspiracy theory that Zelensky stole the 2020 election for Biden.
2. Tucker Carlson reports on it like it's a fact.
3. The claim becomes God's honest truth as far as right-wing social media is concerned.
4. Trump shares it on his (Musk-restored) Twitter account.
5. Republicans fall in line, and Ukraine becomes the enemy of the people.
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Cross-posted but pretty much exactly this, although with DeSantis as a spare.
 
Crossbow said:
I expect that it all depends upon which way Trump decides to jump.

If Trump goes back to his original Putin butt-kissing, then I expect that nearly all of the Republicans will turn against Ukraine.

On the other hand, if Trump decides to stand up to Putin for once, then I expect that nearly all of the other Republicans will support Ukraine.
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Pretty much true, but there is one more issue to consider. Putin, or at least his government, is pretty much an ideological twin to the US religious right. Most of the things the religious right are tying to push though in the US have been implemented in Russia over the last 2 decades. This includes laws restricting people from even talking about the existence gay and transgender people, integration of religion into government policy and more restrictive abortion laws.
 
Yes, to turning their back on Ukraine

Yes, to pulling out of NATO

Anyone who thinks they wouldn't do it is lying to themself
 
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