Wormhole In The Bermuda Triangle?

JoeTheJuggler said:
Spoken like a true Pastafarian!
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Unfortunately, a significant portion of the contraband is also humans and weapons.

My wife is from the Caribbean, so we spend a little time there. Mostly fly to Barbados and grab a short flight to SVG.

Once I had flown on one of those retrofitted vintage cropdusters that have not seen preventative maintenance since Caribana 2006, I understood why the area has a lot of missing planes.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
We also have a pretty strong historical record of how the Bermuda Triangle story came about. It was invented (with roots in an article back in 1950 and certainly by the time of Berlitz' book in 1974.)
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One of the other early adherents was one Ivan T Sanderson, who in one of his books (which I have, but my library is a real mess) had a Chapter "Vile Vortices" devoted to the Bermuda Triangle, and supposedly seven other "losenge" (I think) shaped areas in equidistant points around the earth, including the almost as famous one near Japan - The Devils Sea. Sanderson believed in all things woo, including Bigfoot.

This book did precede Berlitz, and offered about the same level of evidence.

I have about seven boooks (again, somewhere) on the Bermuda Triangle, and when comparing all the True Believer book items, remain staggered that the major detail of "what actually happened" never agrees from book to book, and grows in the telling in later books.

I am amazed that anybody who read Kusche's first book on the subject which was fully annotated with references to ALL of his source material, which can be followed up by anybody who really wants to know whether he was lying or not, can even believe that the Bermuda Triangle has any mystery involved.

ETA It's a bit like coming across Chariots of the Gods in a second hand book shop, and thinking wow! Von Danicken is onto something here.

Norm
 
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Checkmite said:
There is no area with similar traffic. TMK, the region occupied by the Bahamas and the Leewards is the most heavily-traveled area in the world, as far as boats and ships go.
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That is interesting.

godless dave said:
Eyeron, your "simple" question implied one or more assumptions. Part of critical thinking is examining such unspoken assumptions.
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The problem is that some posters (and I am not including you in this) tend to be dicks about this. They get caught up in piling on the person making the implicit assumption and ignore the obvious intention behind the initial question.
 
Aside from other issues, I suspect that a higher concentration of small pleasure craft in any area will result in a higher number of accidents, sinkings and disappearances, simply because there are a lot of poorly prepared, poorly equipped and careless people bopping around on boats. Given the skill levels of some people I've met on the water up here, I think perhaps the mystery is that so many do not disappear.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Then again please re-read the statements by the U.S. Navy, U.S. Coast Guard and the U.S. Geological Survey that I cited above.
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I have, and none supply any statistics. The USGS geologist that you cite says: "At that time the producers checked with Lloyds of London to learn whether an unusually large number of ships had sunk in the triangle. They determined that large numbers of ships had not sunk there." So, the geologist is relying on second-hand information that the producers supplied to him.

JoeTheJuggler said:
You want me to rely on Quasar's analysis of the statistics, yet you refuse to rely on the analysis given by the U.S. Navy, the U.S. Coast Guard and the U.S. Geological Survey.
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I'm trying to get some more information from Quasar, but I don't see that the U.S. Navy, Coast Guard, or Geological Survey have done any analysis.

JoeTheJuggler said:
We also have a pretty strong historical record of how the Bermuda Triangle story came about. It was invented (with roots in an article back in 1950 and certainly by the time of Berlitz' book in 1974.)

So if your claim is that evidence for the Bermuda Triangle is stuff that was unknown until Quasar came along, how do you explain the story pre-dating this evidence?
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The chronology is that: (1) Strange things have been happening in the Bermuda Triangle for many years; (2) In the early 1970s, Charles Berlitz wrote a book about many of these things, but unfortunately got a number of facts wrong; (3) Shortly thereafter, Larry Kusche wrote a book debunking Berlitz' book, but unfortunately also got a number of facts wrong; (4) In the 1990s, Gian Quasar began his research and has uncovered many new facts about the Bermuda Triangle that support the theory that something unusual is going on in that area.
 
fromdownunder said:
I am amazed that anybody who read Kusche's first book on the subject which was fully annotated with references to ALL of his source material, which can be followed up by anybody who really wants to know whether he was lying or not, can even believe that the Bermuda Triangle has any mystery involved.
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In his haste to debunk the Bermuda Triangle, Kusche got many things wrong. For example, his speculations about the USS Cyclops were way off-base. See again http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5144604&postcount=20
 
bruto said:
Aside from other issues, I suspect that a higher concentration of small pleasure craft in any area will result in a higher number of accidents, sinkings and disappearances, simply because there are a lot of poorly prepared, poorly equipped and careless people bopping around on boats. Given the skill levels of some people I've met on the water up here, I think perhaps the mystery is that so many do not disappear.
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I once heard about a Coast Guard rescue of a couple of idiots trying to navigate a tiny vessel to a distant Caribbean island using a restaurant place-mat as a chart.
 
Foster Zygote said:
I once heard about a Coast Guard rescue of a couple of idiots trying to navigate a tiny vessel to a distant Caribbean island using a restaurant place-mat as a chart.
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Heh, you and I must have seen the same documentary. As soon as I read bruto's post, I immediately thought of the place-mat map people!
 
gtc said:
The problem is that some posters (and I am not including you in this) tend to be dicks about this. They get caught up in piling on the person making the implicit assumption and ignore the obvious intention behind the initial question.
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But that didn't happen in this thread.

I responded to his question as he worded AND as I think he intended it to be. He unfairly chewed me out for both.
 
I've just been watching MysteryQuest: The Devil's Triangle on History channel (in the UK), and this guy Gian Quasar (I noted the unfeasible name!) is full of stuff about all the planes and boats that "disappeared". Apparently the number of planes missing is up to 120! As part of the programme, they did a survey of a portion of the Atlantic and found an area which shows up from the air as having something there, like vegetation growing around wreckage. They did a dive and indeed found some plane wreckage, and found a piece of aircraft equipment with a 1966 datestamp on it.

They've take the piece back to Gian Quasar (why him? God knows) and he looks right in the camera unblinking and says "If we can trace this piece of equipment through elimination.... it will be the first ever recovery of wreckage from a disappeared plane!" The thing is, throughout this programme we've been looking at various planes and plane parts which are lying on the bottom of the sea in that area, so his claim should sound immediately dubious even to people who don't already have their bull**** detector going off full blast!

I'm fairly sure that Quasar's method is simple: planes and boats "mysteriously disappear without a trace". But if you find a trace, (like all the planes they have filmed lying there on the sea bed), then it isn't one of those which has "mysteriously disappeared".

Anyway, I put the thing on pause and came on to search for his undoubtedly unique name to see if he was a known woo merchant, and evidently he is.
 
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