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World War Three Coming Soon?

Captain.Sassy said:
Let alone the fact that in the past few years the Russians have invaded Canada and Mexico and set up a bunch of airforce bases in Guatemala, Nicaragua, and Costa Rica.
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Let's withdraw from the Mideast, let Iran take over, and the see how this Brave New World works out.
 
Captain.Sassy said:
Fix'd.
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Kind of hard to do that effectively if we have no Military presence whatsoever.Of course the would also give Al Qaida a nice safe base to organize and launch new attacks against the US from, and if you think they would stop if the US withdrew all it's military you are ,frankly, a fool.
The Far Left and Iran and Osama:Buddies forever.
 
Captain.Sassy said:
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Difference is you'll never see me defend the Saudis.

I can't say the same for you and Iran.
 
Did they call World War II "World War II" while it was ongoing?
World War I was called "the war to end all wars" while it was happening.
Maybe World War III is called the "War on Terror".
Is it not fought all over the world?
 
dudalb said:
Kind of hard to do that effectively if we have no Military presence whatsoever.Of course the would also give Al Qaida a nice safe base to organize and launch new attacks against the US from, and if you think they would stop if the US withdrew all it's military you are ,frankly, a fool.
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Yeah Al Qaeda and Iran are cozy. I forgot.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/04/al-qaeda-2-well/

Just like Saddam (a strong secularist until he started playing to the fundos to prop up his faltering legitimacy) did 9-11.

If you're worried about Al Qaeda, use US persuasion and money to do something about Somalia through the UN. The nutbars recently swore loyalty to Bin Laden.
 
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Cynic said:
Ah, the old strawman argument....
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You weren't arguing moral equivalency when you asked what right the US has to demand another country remain nuclear-free while the US has gobs of them? :boggled:
 
Captain.Sassy said:
Let's withdraw from the Mideast, and respond to Iranian agression if and when it happens.
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You mean like when they fund, train, and arm internationally recognized terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah in order to attack and kill Israeli and US civilians?
 
Captain.Sassy said:
Yeah Al Qaeda and Iran are cozy. I forgot.

Just like Saddam (a strong secularist until he started playing to the fundos to prop up his faltering legitimacy) did 9-11.

If you're worried about Al Qaeda, use US persuasion and money to do something about Somalia through the UN. The nutbars recently swore loyalty to Bin Laden.
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No Iran and Al Qaeda are not cozy,they hate each other, but they hate the USA more.
At least be honest and say your solution is to give Iran and Al Qaeda what they both want: A total US/Western withdrawal from the Mideast so they can fight it out over which kind of Fundamentalism will take over.
 
WildCat said:
You mean like when they fund, train, and arm internationally recognized terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah in order to attack and kill Israeli and US civilians?
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Yeah Hamas is going to take over the middle east.
 
dudalb said:
No Iran and Al Qaeda are not cozy,they hate each other, but they hate the USA more.
At least be honest and say your solution is to give Iran and Al Qaeda what they both want: A total US/Western withdrawal from the Mideast so they can fight it out over which kind of Fundamentalism will take over.
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Tell me how you see war with Iran playing out.
 
drkitten said:
This is the "persecution" the Iranians felt after they had stormed the US Embassy and taken all the diplomats hostage?

My sympathies for the Iranians in this instance are negligible. Having effectively declared war on the United States, they shouldn't be at all surprised or persecuted when the US bankrolled their enemies. They have sown the wind and reap the whirlwind.
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Implicit in your comment is the unspoken and disingenuous suggestion that there was no prior history between the U.S. and Iran that may have accounted for such an act. These things do not occur in a vacuum. The Iranian revolution itself was a reaction to the decades long abuses of a brutal puppet regime installed and supported by the U.S. after a CIA fabricated coup against a democratically elected government. That U.S. plot had been largely planned and executed from the very embassy building that we claimed diplomatic immunity for. It was not chosen at random by the students who took the hostages. It was a clear statement that the U.S. had forfeited diplomatic privilege by years of overt abuse of that privilege.

Even more disingenuous is the comparison and suggestion of some sort of equivalence between a political act of theater involving the detention and ultimate release of a relative handful, and the unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation by six divisions of troops, air, and sea forces in a naked grab for oil resources. The Iran hostage episode may have been used as some sort of domestic political crutch to rationalize our support for Saddam when he invaded Iran, but no one with even a modicum of intelligence can believe that it was the real reason. It was a desperate, last ditch attempt to justify the quarter century of our misguided and incompetent neo-colonial tampering which was solely responsible for the revolution in Iran to begin with.

We blew it. We blew it in Iran in 1953, and we compounded that stupidity for years until our noses were rubbed in it in 1979. Instead of having the integrity and backbone to admit that mistake we have spent the ensuing decades in a transparent and almost comical effort to pretend it isn't true. Many lives have been lost as a result of this, and many of them lie squarely at our door.

I wonder what the geo-political landscape of the Middle East would look like today if, instead of trying to keep Iran as a playground for western oil interests and, failing that, using their revolution as a trumped up domestic justification for military and diplomatic opportunism, we had simply recognized the Mossadeq government over half a century ago, or even based our reactions to the '79 revolution on a frank and honest recognition that it was a rational response to the brutal regime we created and encouraged for a generation in the lives of the Iranians.

Instead we played the sort of games that you are perpetuating with your post. Maybe it's time to try something different.
 
quadraginta said:
Implicit in your comment is the unspoken and disingenuous suggestion that there was no prior history between the U.S. and Iran that may have accounted for such an act. These things do not occur in a vacuum. The Iranian revolution itself was a reaction to the decades long abuses of a brutal puppet regime installed and supported by the U.S. after a CIA fabricated coup against a democratically elected government. That U.S. plot had been largely planned and executed from the very embassy building that we claimed diplomatic immunity for. It was not chosen at random by the students who took the hostages. It was a clear statement that the U.S. had forfeited diplomatic privilege by years of overt abuse of that privilege.

Even more disingenuous is the comparison and suggestion of some sort of equivalence between a political act of theater involving the detention and ultimate release of a relative handful, and the unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation by six divisions of troops, air, and sea forces in a naked grab for oil resources. The Iran hostage episode may have been used as some sort of domestic political crutch to rationalize our support for Saddam when he invaded Iran, but no one with even a modicum of intelligence can believe that it was the real reason. It was a desperate, last ditch attempt to justify the quarter century of our misguided and incompetent neo-colonial tampering which was solely responsible for the revolution in Iran to begin with.

We blew it. We blew it in Iran in 1953, and we compounded that stupidity for years until our noses were rubbed in it in 1979. Instead of having the integrity and backbone to admit that mistake we have spent the ensuing decades in a transparent and almost comical effort to pretend it isn't true. Many lives have been lost as a result of this, and many of them lie squarely at our door.

I wonder what the geo-political landscape of the Middle East would look like today if, instead of trying to keep Iran as a playground for western oil interests and, failing that, using their revolution as a trumped up domestic justification for military and diplomatic opportunism, we had simply recognized the Mossadeq government over half a century ago, or even based our reactions to the '79 revolution on a frank and honest recognition that it was a rational response to the brutal regime we created and encouraged for a generation in the lives of the Iranians.

Instead we played the sort of games that you are perpetuating with your post. Maybe it's time to try something different.
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SO you approve the Iranian seizure of hostages. Nice.
Of course, if you lose all credibility if you appeal to international law in the future.
 
dudalb said:
Nice dodge. Hamas might not take over Mideast, but it can kill a lot of people without doing that. I guess that is OK in your book.
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Watch this: you're gonna love my nuts.

dudalb said:
Let's withdraw from the Mideast, let Iran take over, and the see how this Brave New World works out.
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a voice of reason said:
Let's withdraw from the Mideast, and respond to Iranian agression if and when it happens.
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Wildcat said:
You mean like when they fund, train, and arm internationally recognized terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah in order to attack and kill Israeli and US civilians?
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der Kap said:
Yeah Hamas is going to take over the middle east.
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