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Woo Argument Flowcharts

In My Spare Time said:
Rough draft. Suggestions?
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_1800646c1ffa0b1904.jpg[/qimg]
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Can you make it bigger? Even I can't read that, and I'm short sighted.


Niobe said:
Something like this?

[qimg]http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3997/woobingodl2.gif[/qimg]
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Awesome.

On a slightly related note, some of you may be interested in my Twoofer Bingo card (Minadin helped me with the image):

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Wow... such brilliance... I love it...

what about circular anecdote support...

or chain of hearsay from supposed reliable sources...

or "if science can't explain it then my woo is true"...

I bet sylvia browne could have her own bingo card-- "I'm getting the letter M" ...
 
articulett said:
Wow... such brilliance... I love it...

what about circular anecdote support...

or chain of hearsay from supposed reliable sources...

or "if science can't explain it then my woo is true"...

I bet sylvia browne could have her own bingo card-- "I'm getting the letter M" ...
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Are you referring to In My Spare Time's flowchart, or Niobe's bingo card?
 
orphia nay said:
Are you referring to In My Spare Time's flowchart, or Niobe's bingo card?
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I think all 3 graphics were great-- yours especially so-- loved the mock up. I really am impressed and amused. There are several posters who I could count on for a ready bingo, I'm sure. If nothing else, it relieves frustration to find ways to enjoy woo predictability.

I loved this forum for stuff like this. I feel like I'm hanging with the cool, smart, clever peeps. :)

I can imagine a forum game where we could play such bingo with known woo and new woo... we could enjoy their platitudes or arguments without accusations of insensitivity. They are pretty impervious... I don't think an occasional interjection of "bingo!" would make a dent. Of course strategies would develop to get them to say the next woo thing that you need on your card-- prodding and the like... but it's nicer than celebrity death pools... and challenging too...

I'm just impressed with the cleverness and humor and shared observations of my fellow skeptics. I wish I had the artistic flair displayed with the graphics.
 
Thanks very much, articulett. :) As I said, Minadin helped with the graphics, but it was based on what I wrote in my sig.

I agree, this is a great place, full of great minds who can teach us lots, as I am reminded of daily. Thanks again.
 
I'd imagine that any such flow-chart would be the same for both Believers and Skeptics.

They are all just modes of argument, no matter which "side" they are on.
 
orphia nay said:
Thanks very much, articulett. :) As I said, Minadin helped with the graphics, but it was based on what I wrote in my sig.

I agree, this is a great place, full of great minds who can teach us lots, as I am reminded of daily. Thanks again.
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I stole all 3 graphics... but I promise not to plagiarize. At least I am tapped into one big forum of cleverness even if I don't necessarily have any particular graphic talent. Sometimes I get absorbed flinging barbs at the few posters who annoy me, and forget to compliment the many posters whom I admire, enjoy, and giggle with.
 
The great elegance of Randi's Challenge is that he simply asks people to do what they say they can do. I have come to realize in the past few years that pretty much all debate with regard to religion, psuedosciences, alternative therapies, etc. comes down to quibbling over excuses, and not the thing itself. Randi's Challenge is simply to put up or shut up, so in that spirit, I offer my own flowchart: it's not so much a help in debating wierd things, as to remind the reader to consider when he or she is merely pondering the validity of excuses, rather then the validity of the claim.


 
orphia nay said:
Awesome.

On a slightly related note, some of you may be interested in my Twoofer Bingo card (Minadin helped me with the image):

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/488446c27cb044990.png[/qimg]
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I see you modified that from an original elsewhere. I hope you don't mind if I make a Bullshido version.
 
Orthoptera, that is now my wallpaper on my computer (with permission, of course).

And the bingo idea sounds like great fun. We could watch whenever Larry King, Dateline, ABC or whomever has a Woo story or person scheduled, and we'd have our bingo cards with us.

Of course, it's likely someone would have a bingo within the first minute of the program!

I have additional words:

dilutions
bending spoons
demon(s)
exorcism
intelligent design
Roswell
life force
resonance
EMF
 
plumjam said:
I'd imagine that any such flow-chart would be the same for both Believers and Skeptics.

They are all just modes of argument, no matter which "side" they are on.
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Yeah, the same way "correct" and "incorrect" are really the same thing?

Give it a rest, would you?
 
New, Improved version:
more readable text, filled out argument section, improved flow without having to use arrows, which I suck at making. Also made SKEPTIC a little scarier. I don't know how to make the image bigger in the post, but clicking it should make it show pretty well.

 
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CFLarsen said:
My take on Orthoptera's chart:

[qimg]http://skepticreport.com/resources/skepticsflowchart.jpg[/qimg]
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Branching off "Is claimant willing to demonstrate/independently replicate/provide evidence of claim?" I'd add a box with "Claimant points to study in pseudoscientific journal".
 
Here is my $0.02 Contribution...

What do you think?
 

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