Woman killed trying to leave KKK initiation

[Thunder]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081112/ap_on_re_us/klan_slaying

So very disgusting, sad, and pathetic.

I assume this group will be shut down and all its members investigated for possible involvemant in unsolved crimes.

 

[corplinx]

From the article you linked:

Mark Pitcavage, directive of investigative research for the Anti-Defamation League, said the Dixie Brotherhood appears to be a small, loosely organized group of people.

"This is not what I would call an established Klan group," he said. "The Klan has a pretty high association with violence. Some of these guys are just crooks, sociopaths."

Don't be the boy who cried KKK.

 

[PhantomWolf]

From the article you linked:


Don't be the boy who cried KKK.

It's interesting that you throw that at Parky, but fail to note that the rest of the article was absolutely littered with references to the group being KKK, including the article headline!

 

[quixotecoyote]

Since when are you trying to excuse the klan, corp? That's a bit far, even for you.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Ah, I get it now, the KKK are Muslims, killing any apostate who dares leave the fold.

Brilliant out of the box thinking by those lads in the pointy white hats.

Absolutely brilliant. They can defend it as freedom of religion, of course.

 

[corplinx]

Since when are you trying to excuse the klan, corp? That's a bit far, even for you.

Because there's no evidence in the article that the whacked out crazies belonged to the whacked out crazies known as the KKK. They had klan looking outfits, but anybody can cut a sheet. The only source they had with any authority on the "Dixie Brotherhood" said they weren't real Klan. The source (anti-defamation league) isn't what I would call a group very tolerant of the Klan.

Skepticism doesn't take a backseat to personal dislike of people or ideas you find repulsive when you're doing it right. Not that I'm always victorious against my own confirmation bias, but I try to do that best I can.

Shaving with occam's razor, I think its isn't hard to guess that a story titled "Woman Killed Trying To Leave Dixie Brotherhood Meeting" isn't quite as provocative or interesting as "Police: Woman slain as she tried to leave KKK rite" or even the title of this thread which is "Woman Killed Trying to Leave KKK Rally".

This is still a skeptic forum, right? Are we supposed to grab our pitchforks and torches when something gets posted or review it with our thinking caps on?

 

[FreshHat]

Quoted From Article :

"The IQ level of this group is not impressive, to be kind," Strain said, adding, "I can't imagine anyone feeling endangered or at risk by any one of these kooks."

Yeah, hate filled kooks are pretty benign, if their IQ hovers in the room temperature (F) range.

A woman was shot and killed. She'll stay as dead for the same length of time, whether the murderer was a dimwit or a Mensa member.

I think Sherriff Strain may be in a poor position to comment on the low IQ levels of others.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Because there's no evidence in the article that the whacked out crazies belonged to the whacked out crazies known as the KKK.

So you'd rather accept the claim of someone from the ADL who is unlikely to have even talked to any of the people involved in the case over the claims of two of the police officers that were involved in the investigation?

 

[corplinx]

So you'd rather accept the claim of someone from the ADL who is unlikely to have even talked to any of the people involved in the case over the claims of two of the police officers that were involved in the investigation?

Considering how often southern cops think satanic rites are committed when teenagers write "motley crue rulz" on a gravestone, I think I'd rather trust the guy from the anti-defamation league. You know, the guy with a clue about hate groups versus the guys who write speeding tickets?

 

[Dr Adequate]

No True Klansman?

 

[plumjam]

Yikes, I first read the OP title as 'Wolfman killed trying to leave KKK initiation'.

 

[Cleon]

corplinx...There is no One True Klan anymore. Hasn't been for decades.

Every group out there calling itself the KKK, or some variant thereof, is a "small, loosely organized group of people." Very few Klan grouplets have any sort of national organization or identity, and new ones constantly forming, disbanding, and splitting.

I also note that the ADL source didn't say they weren't Klan, just that they weren't "established Klan;" I read that as meaning that the group didn't have any history, or connection to other Klan cells, not that it wasn't "real Klan" (whatever that means).

 

[Darth Rotor]

I read that as meaning that the group didn't have any history, or connection to other Klan cells, not that it wasn't "real Klan" (whatever that means).

It has to do with how they prepare their porridge grits, I think. (Nod to Dr A's allusion.) As I read what you wrote again, I puzzle over what "real" Al Qaeda cells are, versus copy cats and Al Q wannabe groups.

Hmmmmmm . . . a similar but different set of narrow minded people.

 

[Cleon]

It has to do with how they prepare their porridge grits, I think. (Nod to Dr A's allusion.) As I read what you wrote again, I puzzle over what "real" Al Qaeda cells are, versus copy cats and Al Q wannabe groups.

Hmmmmmm . . . a similar but different set of narrow minded people.

Interesting question.

Al-Qaeda is a network of cells, which work together under the bin Laden/al-Zawahiri umbrella. I would posit that a "wannabe" Al-Qaeda cell is one that calls itself Al-Qaeda, but is not actually a part of the bin Laden & co. network. (My understanding is that "Al-Qaeda in Iraq" is of this ilk, but I could be wrong.)

The KKK used to be a national movement, united organizationally as well as ideologically. Today it's just a name used by numerous groups with similar beliefs.

The difference, I would say, is that while Al-Qaeda groups are linked by being part of this network, the KKK grouplets are not. Even those "established" Klan groups with a multi-state or even national presence are hardly united, and AFAIK rarely even acknowledge each other.

 

[Metullus]

Considering how often southern cops think satanic rites are committed when teenagers write "motley crue rulz" on a gravestone, I think I'd rather trust the guy from the anti-defamation league. You know, the guy with a clue about hate groups versus the guys who write speeding tickets?

It is a distinction without a difference. My guess is that these guys self-identify as Klan which, in my mind at least, makes them Klan, if only as the "Washington Parish Junior League Honorary Knights of the Ku Klux Klan".

If these yahoos called themselves Nazis would we not grant them the appellation merely because they don't have a membership card signed by Julius Streicher? I don't think so.

ETA: I think that I would listen to Jack Strain; he is no idiot and he is the Sheriff in David Duke's back yard. He and his family have lived in the Florida Parishes for generations; he is hardly ignorant of the Klan and other racist organizations.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I wonder, has the KKK trademarked their name and initials, or their regalia?

 

[Metullus]

I wonder, has the KKK trademarked their name and initials, or their regalia?

If not, could we do so and then sue them when they use them?

 

[TragicMonkey]

If not, could we do so and then sue them when they use them?

I was thinking of opening up a chain of restaurants: KKKFC.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

I was thinking of opening up a chain of restaurants: KKKFC.

Now, the white meat/dark meat jokes begin.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Now, the white meat/dark meat jokes begin.

Not to mention Claus and his drumstick schtick . . .